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with her own unique voice. She was elected by her district. She needn't answer to anyone but her own constituency. None of us here on DU are House members, not have ever been. Let her find her own path. Leave her alone to make her own way. She is on our side, so let her do her job her way, please.
David__77
(23,421 posts)No Democrat should be off limits from critique. That said, I think a lot of criticism of her from Democrats will mainly serve to consolidate her political profile and enhance her role.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)None of us knows what will work for her voice to become important. Let her find her own way and make her own mark. I've seen nothing political worthy of criticism. People are criticizing her style. That's not our job, I think.
Magoo48
(4,716 posts)The Peoples House should be a dynamic cross section of our diverse population. Different styles, personalities, and passions mirror our population. Republicans are automatons who function like the Borg, and I find it disturbing to see them marching lockstep behind Agent Orange. They are the Clowns of the Apocalypse all wearing the same face.
Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)But when I bring up something that's not positive, the gods delete it with a warning. I always have a link to back it up. IDK.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)theaocp
(4,241 posts)There will be many who will ignore them. Wait until some of the new CongressFolk make endorsements. It's gonna get ugly.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)theaocp
(4,241 posts)The primaries? I'd like to agree, but damn, have you followed American politics the last few decades? Even Warren is already out there.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Election year. The is much to follow besides them. What difference can you make on presidential primaries now? None. Pay attention to Congress and Trump. Stuff is happening.
theaocp
(4,241 posts)However, many do not. Better to aim the grapeshot toward the masses to get them on board with what is needed in the meantime. I'm already in the choir.
mahina
(17,669 posts)We dont know how many posting on DU are House members.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)We would know. There used to be one, or a staff member for one, but not now.
mahina
(17,669 posts)Just curious. Thanks.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)would they do that? DU is not that important. Really, it isn't.
mahina
(17,669 posts)Elizabeth Edwards did.
There are tons of congresspeople and even more aides.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)Those who know dont talk. Those who talk dont know." (The Tao Te Ching)
bottomofthehill
(8,334 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 5, 2019, 05:28 PM - Edit history (1)
There are people who work on the hill that both read (lurk) and post here.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I don't think so.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)She's young and fun, good for her. I wish I was.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)AOC won't change that one bit.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)it seems that Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has captured the ire of the folks that regularly disparage Senator Sanders.
theaocp
(4,241 posts)I personally love the idea of no-purity test folks demanding she prove herself to THEM. L.M.A.O.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)Is there a word for putting someone down and building them up in the same conversation? Trying to lesson their criticism.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)when someone is demeaning you only to finish with bless your heart.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)She openly criticizes the status quo. Some like the status quo because it works for them.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)And for some reason I will never fathom, some on DU have been convinced that anyone who dares to question any in the top leadership who are invested in the status quo, is someone to weed out. That any criticism, even if said from a self-described constructive intent, whether by Sanders, Warren, or AOC, is to be disbelieved and those individuals labeled as agitators. And that includes anyone defending them on a message board. Instead of looking at them as helpful in finding ways the party can improve. Or at the very least understanding the importance of listening to ALL voices in the tent.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)Just as she has a right to say what she wishes, anyone else has the right to say what they wish if it doesn't align with their beliefs. Not all of us follow the same star. We just follow the same general direction.
Apollyonus
(812 posts)instead of fellow democrats.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Agreed. It really serves no good purpose for anyone to do things that distract from our party's message and agenda. Whenever I see a grandstanding or showboating politician, it doesn't really speak well for the entire party. All I'm saying is that any thing that diminishes the Democratic party, its leaders, its message, or its agenda is something that weakens us and that benefits the GOP and the Russians. We don't have the luxury of giving people time to make mistakes, or "discover themselves" or "feel-their-way" along. At this particular junction in time, our representatives need to be prepared to hit the pavement running.
guruoo
(5,092 posts)Reread this several times, sympathetic to what you're trying to do here, but still can't figure out where Democracy fits in.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)She doesnt have to answer to you unless shes your representative. The people in her district voted for her, knowing her views, and if they dont like what shes doing, shell be voted out.
Apollyonus
(812 posts)Of which she garnered a little over 6% ... that is not really a huge mandate IMHO.
In the general election in that district, any democrat would have won. The primary is the main election there.
I agree with you that she should represent people in her district. Not just the 6% who voted for her but the remaining 94% as well.
I seriously doubt her district as a whole and democrats there in particular want other democrats attacked and weakened.
Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)Her constituents must have liked what they heard from her or she wouldnt have won. If they dont like what shes saying or doing, shell be voted out.
And if most people dont bother to vote, thats not her fault.
I think the Democratic Party has a more diverse membership than the other major party, and the party is strong enough to listen to different viewpoints and maybe incorporate some in its platform. If you want a party that doesnt allow for any differing opinions or constructive criticisms, and where all elected officials fall in line with the leadership, join the Republican Party.
Voltaire2
(13,061 posts)Sort of a conundrum eh? Or jus Ocasio-Cortez should follow this rule?
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...I think it is a bit patronizing to suggest that she is incapable of speaking.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Those threads? Those are us speaking, not her.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...and given that most of these posts contains quotes from her, I think she is doing great job of conveying her message. I think that any criticism about her alleged inability to convey her message is misplaced.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Beautifully said,as always, MineralMan.
Firestorm49
(4,035 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)We need to give her the same latitude Bernie had as man. A lot of the flak AOC is getting is sexism.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)She's a Millennial. We've seen enough threads here on the perceived shortcomings of Millennials to know that plenty of older Democrats flat out hate them.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)She scares the shit out of these old misogynistic gasbags. And claps back solidly for herself and her generation every time these hideous men eeeek out. I am so glad she's on our side. I'm really looking forward to the first time Trump tweets against her.
She'll destroy him.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)so I am not sure why some are so huffy puffy about her?
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)As a huge Clinton and Pelosi fan, I adore AOC. And I am sure madame speaker does too. So should you. She is the biggest threat to GOP cause she represents the future and they are terrified shitless. Not in the least because AOC is uniquely media friendly with her hollywood A looks and girl next door demeanor, and she always controls the narrative and never let RW talking points stand. I hope congress doesnt corrupt her and she always remains true to herself. She and Beto rock the country.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)That's what I love most about her.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)yet that is what she did on the rules vote. Crowley would not have done that. So I'm not sure that argument holds water.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/423780-house-approves-new-dem-rules-package
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and he's rising fast:
https://www.sbsun.com/2018/12/21/rep-pet-aguilar-d-redlands-will-have-a-key-role-in-next-years-democratic-house/
I'm thrilled to pieces. But he would be road kill in the rear view if he did any of this stuff we're all supposed to be thrilled about. Here's an excerpt from the article which is behind an annoying paywall:
Still, its not a guarantee to creating legislation. Aguilar and the rest of the Democratic House will need support from conservatives to get bills through the Republican-controlled Senate and signed by the Republican president.
New laws for the 31st District
Over the two-year congressional session, Aguilar introduced 11 bills, three of which were signed into law by President Donald Trump.
Despite being in the minority party, I was able to work to get things done to help the region out, Aguilar said.
The laws he got passed are job-creation bills for vets and a scholarship program for students of color, also a post-office rename, which I guess makes him a socialist.
Onyrleft
(344 posts)ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)Those attacking her usually are doing it as a proxy for attacking other more left-wing dems. I look forward to seeing her votes as well as getting under the skin of the right.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)theaocp
(4,241 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's a question that deserves an answer. I would be interested in hearing how she explains it and what her motivation may have been. Even though it wasn't a deciding vote, it certainly does provide a clue regarding party unity at this critical juncture. Democrats have an opportunity, but we don't have the luxury of squandering that opportunity for the sake of grandstanding, or splitting-off, or "making a name" for one's self. It's time to get with the program and become a monolithic and unmovable voting-bloc. All I'm trying to say here is that the Democratic party needs to work together, toward a common goal. Anything else only serves to benefit the GOP and by extension, to benefit Russia.
theaocp
(4,241 posts)I thought getting rid of the first possibility was too easy, but I guess I was wrong. You're seriously leaving that open as an option?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It was a tiff about, you guessed it, "healthcare," which is about all we can say without running the risk of a hide. Sorry!
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/423780-house-approves-new-dem-rules-package
This is worrisome because we will need all hands on deck on crucial votes to protect the PPACA.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)But I'm sure she's a traitor or something cuz of that to you. She voted for Pelosi for speaker and I'm proud of her for that. And she is having crazy right-wingers attack her for dancing so she's getting under their skin. So right now I'm with her.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)I don't want the Dems to fall for Jude Wanniski's two santa clause theory. He thought that if Republicans cut taxes and ballooned the deficit then complain about the deficit when Dems are in power than they could be Santa and the Dems would be hamstrung and incapable of doing anything to help people when they are in power.
I frankly don't care about the deficit. I care actual issues like health care, transforming the economy to green energy and taking power away from the oligarchs in this country. If it raises the debt then too bad. The debt won't matter if the world can't deal with climate change anyways.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Autumn
(45,107 posts)I was happy to see her vote no on this one.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)kinda like the 60 vote rule in the senate stopped the public option and then the ptb passed the aca with reconciliation, which only needed 50 plus votes
I love her, if I am gonna die early of some curable disease I am glad someone is hollering about it
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)theaocp
(4,241 posts)Voltaire2
(13,061 posts)Attacking, that is probably a true statement.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)Some people think if you slightly disagree with anyone in Democratic leadership that it makes you part of some Russian plot against America. I guess she should shut up and have Secretary Hillary Clinton tell her exactly how she should vote in every instance. Personally I like her style and I hope she doesn't let anyone make her change.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)It's not surprising though, considering her political roots.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You're right, it's not surprising at all that loyal Democrats take issue with groups associated with Cenk Ugyur. He's a toxic mess.
Is she still on the "Board" of that group?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)like AOC, a true progressive star in the making. Anyway, imagine if your "associations" standard was applied to other politicians... or, is it a double standard?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but not mobile. People are free to walk right on in and join us and our party's mission. Having a big tent does not obligate the party to continually move the tent here and yon to accommodate disloyal malcontents like Cenk Uygur. I have very high standards and have no patience for the likes of Cenk Uygur and his GOP angels.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)so as long as she votes with the Democratic caucus, I'm good. She is a freshman in the House, so her influence on legislation is small. I'm content to let her be who she is, without comment. I fail to see why she's such a topic of conversation, frankly.
Ilhan Omar, from Minnesota, is more interesting to me, really. As a young Somali Muslim woman, she has made her own mark on the House. But, nobody's talking about her constantly or criticizing her. Why's that? She represents the district to the west of mine.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)demmiblue
(36,865 posts)kentuck
(111,103 posts)...and sometimes she acts her age. She is endearing in a strange sort of way.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Ive watched the AOC wars with amusement, but really had no opinion. I live nowhere near her district.
But Ive gained some respect for her this week. Loved the dancing. Love the attitude!
TJKatd
(73 posts)If something were to happen to Nancy, she's my choice for speaker.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)guruoo
(5,092 posts)guruoo
(5,092 posts)That's like Democracy in a nutshell.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)I don't like Republicans or the media making it look like she speaks for the rest of the party though.