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Paula Sims

(877 posts)
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:00 PM Jan 2019

Don't call it a shutdown - call it a LOCKOUT

That's what it is - Federal workers are locked out of their jobs, involuntarily, because of their greedy bosses. Too bad they can't put up those "huuuuuge" rats (and color them orange).

So drumpy wants to change the tone - fine - we can start calling it a LOCKOUT.

Thoughts?

PS - Props to hubby if you like it, blame to me of you don't. . .

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Don't call it a shutdown - call it a LOCKOUT (Original Post) Paula Sims Jan 2019 OP
At what point does it become IMPOSED SLAVERY? Seriously... hlthe2b Jan 2019 #1
That is a very valid question Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #5
The concept works for some. Not entirely accurate however. dameatball Jan 2019 #2
its a hostage situation.... samnsara Jan 2019 #3
not all locked out of jobs handmade34 Jan 2019 #4
Trump tried to float it as a 'strike'...It's not... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #6
If they weren't, they still wouldn't get paid. Igel Jan 2019 #7

hlthe2b

(102,297 posts)
1. At what point does it become IMPOSED SLAVERY? Seriously...
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jan 2019

Surely at some point there will be grounds for a constitutional challenge for those forced to work without pay. I am curious at what point that becomes an object of discussion. (and yes, I do realize the repercussions are to lose the job, rather than being held at gunpoint or brutal beatings as was the case with true slavery, but still, it does approach forced work sans pay, something I can't imagine is consistent with our constitution over the long term).

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. That is a very valid question
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:10 PM
Jan 2019

Deferred pay is one thing and a few days or a a pay period would likely be my definition of that. Beyond a pay period and with a requirement to continue to work, I believe the definition shifts to what you describe.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
2. The concept works for some. Not entirely accurate however.
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jan 2019

Many are not actually locked out, as they still have to go to work. they just aren't getting paid. But I think your husband's attempt at pointing this out is a good idea. Whatever it takes to make sure Trump continues to own this boondoggle.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
7. If they weren't, they still wouldn't get paid.
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jan 2019

The steel mill where my parents worked, during strikes, had lockouts. Esp. during wildcats. But that wasn't because people wanted to go in and work, they'd be more likely to go in an vandalize to keep production from continuing.

I suspect the government lockout (which is actually not a lockout, but a legal restriction on people continuing to do their pay) is largely political pressure. If the workers went in because they valued their jobs or didn't want to let work pile up or even because they were doing experiments and needed to monitor and maintain them, there'd be less pressure to force a compromise or capitulation.

Then again, some would still be into vandalism because they value that old Germanic spirit, I guess.

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