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Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:36 PM Jan 2019

Here's what I expect will happen re: the Ohio doctor who was fired for her anti-Semitic tweets

In my 'past life', I credentialed and re-credentialed physicians for participation with our health care plan.

The initial credentialing process included verification of education, hospital privileges, board certification status, malpractice insurance, liability history, and National Practitioner Data Bank (NPDB). Then, every 3 years they were re-credentialed, checking insurance coverage, hospital privileges, board certification status, any 'Member Satisfaction' complaints filed with the plan, and the NPDB.

When a physician is 'let go' from a hospital, it is reported to the NPDB. And, believe me, that's a big consideration when approving any health care provider for participation in pretty much any health care plan (insurance company). For us, that triggered letters to the hospital and to the health care provider. And, we compared responses. Then it went to an immediate legal review, a report was written up and submitted to the 'Credentialing Committee'.

Losing hospital privileges is a big deal. And I suspect an even bigger deal when it involves some place like The Cleveland Clinic. I saw a number of health care providers denied participation, because of this issue.

This physician's future employment opportunities, in the health care field, are very much jeopardized.

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Here's what I expect will happen re: the Ohio doctor who was fired for her anti-Semitic tweets (Original Post) Siwsan Jan 2019 OP
we can only hope she ends up working at Burger King beachbum bob Jan 2019 #1
Really don't want this person handling Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #3
She can handle Trumps food all she wants! lunatica Jan 2019 #6
Good Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #2
Double good mercuryblues Jan 2019 #7
Thanks for giving us the benefit of your profession lunatica Jan 2019 #4
It is a great place for LOTS of interesting stuff, that's for sure Siwsan Jan 2019 #5
Good leftynyc Jan 2019 #8
Agreed. Behind the Aegis Jan 2019 #9
I'm getting used to that leftynyc Jan 2019 #35
She'll probably find work as a doctor in Saudi Arabia... hunter Jan 2019 #10
She'll probably become a Fox News contributor, using her supposed "expertise" Neema Jan 2019 #11
She threatened to give people the wrong meds Clash City Rocker Jan 2019 #12
Losing her residency appointment, like that, might be hard to overcome Siwsan Jan 2019 #14
Yes obvioulsy Meowmee Jan 2019 #16
I am not sure this is covered by the Hippocratic Oath marylandblue Jan 2019 #19
Part of the orginal oath: Meowmee Jan 2019 #20
Ok, thanks. marylandblue Jan 2019 #21
You should see what they do to lawyers and their families. Dustlawyer Jan 2019 #34
She will never practice medicine again. My wife is an ER RN for a big hospital and one of the docs TeamPooka Jan 2019 #13
Difficulty both in getting malpractice insurance and credentialed by a health insurance company Siwsan Jan 2019 #15
She could become a back alley Nazi doctor for Neo Nazi's and Klansmen. Living on the run, hiding TeamPooka Jan 2019 #17
Well, yea, there is that! Siwsan Jan 2019 #18
Yeah, the Nazis love Muslim women (sarcasm) n/t MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #22
Not to mention NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #25
Her biggest problem is no license Sgent Jan 2019 #23
I was always surprised at how some really bad docs still got licensed Siwsan Jan 2019 #24
"bad docs still got licensed" mitch96 Jan 2019 #29
As a first year resident...she's done. DONE Docreed2003 Jan 2019 #26
She can get married, change her name, and move somewhere else FakeNoose Jan 2019 #27
WAAAY back in the 90's, we had someone who was pulling that game Siwsan Jan 2019 #28
Hell, in my state, Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #30
The shame was that to even be considered for such a bigtime residency, she had to be very talented. Blue_true Jan 2019 #31
As much as I dislike seeing someone lose their livelihood, PatrickforO Jan 2019 #32
There is no shortage of places on this Earth Codeine Jan 2019 #33
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. we can only hope she ends up working at Burger King
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:38 PM
Jan 2019

we need to send all the other racist and bigots packing too

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. Good
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jan 2019

"This physician's future employment opportunities, in the health care field, are very much jeopardized."

One thing I expect in a physician is good judgment and this Tweet was a prime example of exceptionally poor judgement well beyond what the Tweet actually said.

This individual should never be a place where they are caring for another human being (or animal for that matter) or prescribing treatments or medications.

I am sure that the can find work, I hope it is something that does not involve any other human being.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
7. Double good
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jan 2019

How can a hospital trust a Dr with patient care that said what she did? How can a patient trust a Dr like her to treat them honorably?

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
9. Agreed.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jan 2019

I am surprised how many are off put by this. Yay! Though, there are those who still don't think she should face too much punishment for having an opinion. their real beef is with her claiming to give Jews the wrong meds, but everything else, well, that's just opinion and AOK.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
35. I'm getting used to that
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 08:33 AM
Jan 2019

Something has to be 100% indefensible before they'll be on board, and even then many will do it grudgingly.

hunter

(38,324 posts)
10. She'll probably find work as a doctor in Saudi Arabia...
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jan 2019

... or some other awful place with a culture of antisemitism.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
11. She'll probably become a Fox News contributor, using her supposed "expertise"
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:00 PM
Jan 2019

to confirm whatever bigoted bullshit they're spewing that day.

Clash City Rocker

(3,398 posts)
12. She threatened to give people the wrong meds
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:55 PM - Edit history (1)

The wrong meds could easily kill someone. I’m no doctor, but isn’t this a violation of the Hypocratic Oath? “First do no harm,” right? How could anyone think she should work in the medical field ever again?

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
14. Losing her residency appointment, like that, might be hard to overcome
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jan 2019

And a first year residency, at that.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
16. Yes obvioulsy
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jan 2019

She will not work here again due to this I’m sure but there are other countries where she may still be able to practice if she keeps her license, where she could endanger the lives of her patients.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
19. I am not sure this is covered by the Hippocratic Oath
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:26 PM
Jan 2019

I don't think it says anything about deliberately killing your patient. Do you really need to take an oath not to do that?

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
20. Part of the orginal oath:
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jan 2019

I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but never with a view to injury and wrong-doing.


Part of the GA WMA oath written in 1948:


AT THE TIME OF BEING ADMITTED AS A MEMBER OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION:

I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity . . .

I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;

The health of my patient will be my first consideration;

I will respect the secrets that are confided in me . . .

I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;

I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;

I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat . . . .



There was a new version written in the US in 1964 which I can’t find at the moment.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
34. You should see what they do to lawyers and their families.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jan 2019

My poor son who had cystic fibrosis was tested with every test (including multiple blood draws) after the doctor discovered I was an attorney. My son was 4 months old at the time. The doctor had been shooting his mouth off to me about how much he hated lawyers and he would punch the next one that sued him in the mouth.

Once he knew I was an attorney (defense attorney at that time) his treatment plan he had outlined went out the window. He ordered everything!

I have had many good doctors, but a large percentage were so scared of me it affected my treatment in a negative way. Doctors have the ultimate power over us and need to be screened better because no one should be ill treated out of fear and prejudice!

TeamPooka

(24,246 posts)
13. She will never practice medicine again. My wife is an ER RN for a big hospital and one of the docs
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jan 2019

there said no insurance company will ever cover her for malpractice after this.
forget losing hospital privileges and that stuff. which are a dire event too.
You can't practice without insurance.
She will never practice medicine again, in the USA.

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
15. Difficulty both in getting malpractice insurance and credentialed by a health insurance company
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:15 PM
Jan 2019

Pretty much a death knell for her career.

TeamPooka

(24,246 posts)
17. She could become a back alley Nazi doctor for Neo Nazi's and Klansmen. Living on the run, hiding
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 06:20 PM
Jan 2019

from medical authorities while treating skinheads who get hurt in Klan marches and protests.
I think that's the future for her that I'd like to see.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
25. Not to mention
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:35 PM
Jan 2019

performing abortions on the mistresses of married anti-choice Republicans. Or, on their teenage daughters (didn't that happen back in the 90s - it came out that one of the big anti-choicers in Congress had paid for an abortion for his daughter?)

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
23. Her biggest problem is no license
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:30 PM
Jan 2019

she isn't eligible for a medical license in any state as of now since she hasn't complted at least 1 year of residency (some states require 2). The license she has is a training license that is only valid with supervision while in a residency program. Credentialing with health plans and hospitals are secondary issues.

Almost certainly no residency in the US will accept her now. She may be able to get a foreign residency (still not good for a US license), but she has a DO degree which is not well recongized internationally compared to an MD degree.

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
24. I was always surprised at how some really bad docs still got licensed
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:34 PM
Jan 2019

We had one guy who was booted out of Canada, and still managed to get multi-state licenses, here. This, despite losing hospital privileges in several states. He FINALLY lost his last license and was then arrested for practicing medicine without a license. Oh, and he was a plastic surgeon. It was one of the worst and hardest to research cases I ever researched.

I hope the timing of this woman's dismissal works against her.

mitch96

(13,924 posts)
29. "bad docs still got licensed"
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jan 2019

I have bunches of "bad doc" stories too. The one that got me was years ago my friend's uncle was a "foreign trained" doctor. To practice in the US he had to take some challenge tests to prove his ability.. Standard practice. He had this huge ego and said it was beneath him to take the tests. He got a fake ID for this medical student to take the tests for him..... fucker.
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Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
26. As a first year resident...she's done. DONE
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:41 PM
Jan 2019

I seriously doubt that any residency program would take her on after this incident, and rightfully so! Most states require at least one year of postgraduate training prior to granting state licensure. Since she never completed that first year, she'll likely never get a license. She's done as a physician.

FakeNoose

(32,714 posts)
27. She can get married, change her name, and move somewhere else
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:43 PM
Jan 2019

Like to a conservative red state in the south or west that wouldn't care about her past. Then voila, back in business.
If she marries another doctor or hospital administrator, it's even easier.

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
28. WAAAY back in the 90's, we had someone who was pulling that game
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:45 PM
Jan 2019

Actually found him under about 3 different names. Still managed to bust him.

Their applications for things like a DEA number, and any social security number bump would, hopefully, id her.

Mr.Bill

(24,312 posts)
30. Hell, in my state,
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 07:58 PM
Jan 2019

a damn car salesman has to be fingerprinted to be licensed.

I would say this doctor may be done in the USA, but could work in some foreign country.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. The shame was that to even be considered for such a bigtime residency, she had to be very talented.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jan 2019

But she was also full of hate and intolerance toward Jewish people. Even doctors can completely lose their career due to their racist or ethnic hate, or for them being unable to work with a broad cross-section of people. I would say that she is done in this country, unless she agrees to serve in an underserved region and become sensitive to the rights of every human being and stay that way.

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
32. As much as I dislike seeing someone lose their livelihood,
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jan 2019

any physician who says she would give another group of people 'the wrong meds' because she doesn't like that group - DOES NOT BELONG IN MEDICINE.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
33. There is no shortage of places on this Earth
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:34 PM
Jan 2019

where virulent anti-Semitism is seen as a net positive. She has a bright future ahead of her in Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, or (in the highly unlikely event she chooses to walk the walk) the Occupied Territories.

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