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Sarah Silverman deflates Jerry Falwell Jr.'s tires. (Original Post) Miles Archer Jan 2019 OP
EXCELLENT! MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #1
Poor Jerry... czarjak Jan 2019 #2
Perfect malaise Jan 2019 #3
Thank you, Sarah Silverman! The Genealogist Jan 2019 #4
I always hated UpInArms Jan 2019 #5
What have these religious charlatans ever given to mankind, but grief. olegramps Jan 2019 #6
There's a special place in Hell. calimary Jan 2019 #8
It's a terrific place, believe me dalton99a Jan 2019 #10
Another great cartoon! calimary Jan 2019 #28
Well, if you go by the system of Dante's Hell there is a place for Fallwell and the like Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2019 #38
My great aunts fell for it, too ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #9
This says it all. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2019 #18
"can you imagine the level of a mind that watches wrestling?" Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #31
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2019 #7
I love Sarah! SergeStorms Jan 2019 #11
Perfect response. These people have no shame Pisces Jan 2019 #12
How about republican PoolBoys, Jerry Jr.? Did they ever give anyone "a job"? Achilleaze Jan 2019 #13
To be precise, his daddy got rich grifting poor people. Hugin Jan 2019 #14
Oh, Sarah. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. (nt) Paladin Jan 2019 #15
Brilliant!! Soxfan58 Jan 2019 #16
He definitely needs to revisit the story of The Widow's Mite in the Bible. colorado_ufo Jan 2019 #17
I'd say he needs to revisit the entire Bible. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2019 #21
If He Touched An Actual Bible, They'd Both Burst Into Flame nt smb Jan 2019 #26
Yep. And He hung out with them, favored them, and advocated for them. calimary Jan 2019 #29
And Jesus looked at him Tbear Jan 2019 #35
My long-ago ex's mother was a total sucker for these leeches. akraven Jan 2019 #19
Zing! oasis Jan 2019 #20
What a "Christian" Jerry Falwell Jr is... Perseus Jan 2019 #22
Amen, Sister Sarah! DemoTex Jan 2019 #23
Well, NOT all our uber rich inherited their wealth or give a cent to charity Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #24
Poor people give the most to charity as percents of income and wealth. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #25
In Fact, It Adds To A Larger Absolute Sum smb Jan 2019 #27
Just like taxes. Us small people pay a whole hell of a lot more than them. erronis Jan 2019 #33
K&R ck4829 Jan 2019 #30
Is it wrong of me to completely Lust for Sarah Silverman? (nt) mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #32
Nope. nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2019 #34
GF,Jr. should listen to what he should be preaching: LakeArenal Jan 2019 #36
I'd like to take on the bit from Falwell, Jr's statement that was not highlighted Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2019 #37

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
4. Thank you, Sarah Silverman!
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:08 AM
Jan 2019

My grandmother, who had very little, sent these people "love offerings" or whatever they call donations these days. And, while they got rich, she worked past 80 and ended up on government assistance programs anyway, toward the end of her life.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
5. I always hated
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:17 AM
Jan 2019

The occasions when I went to my grandmother’s house and those gawdawful televangelists would be on begging my sweet grandmother to send them part of her $109 monthly pension

Her beautiful soft and caring heart could not see their deceitful agenda ... they were the reverse Robin Hoods ... stealing from the poor

I shall forever despise all of them

calimary

(81,440 posts)
8. There's a special place in Hell.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jan 2019

A VERY special place in Hell. Down at the very bottom. For exactly these vultures and thieves.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
38. Well, if you go by the system of Dante's Hell there is a place for Fallwell and the like
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:57 AM
Jan 2019

It's Circle 8, Bolgia 6 -- the Hypocrites. The hypocrites are listlessly walking around a narrow track for eternity, weighted down by leaden robes. The robes are brilliantly gilded on the outside, the hypocrite's "outward appearance shines brightly and passes for holiness, but under that show lies the terrible weight of his deceit" (John Ciardi's note on Canto 23, line 20).

Or, perhaps, Bolgia 8, Evil Counsellors (Stephen Miller's ultimate destination). Or even Bolgia 9, Sowers of Discord, who are hacked and mutilated for all eternity by a large demon wielding a bloody sword. Their bodies are divided as their sin was to tear apart what should be united; these are the sinners who are "ready to rip up the whole fabric of society to gratify a sectional egotism" (Ciardi, note on Canto 28, line 30).

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. My great aunts fell for it, too
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jan 2019

When it was time to clean out their house, most of the stuff was books and tapes bought from televangelists. Boxes upon boxes of crap, and who knows what it really cost them.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,109 posts)
31. "can you imagine the level of a mind that watches wrestling?"
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:49 PM
Jan 2019

I feel the same about boxing and mma. How sick is it to sit there and watch (and cheer) two people attempting to give the other one brain damage. Hell, they even pay for that "privilege".

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
11. I love Sarah!
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:24 AM
Jan 2019

No quarter given, none taken. She has a way of cutting straight through the bullshit, right to the heart of the matter.

If Falwell's daddy hadn't squeezed the nickels and dimes from the poor selling his imaginary product, Jr. wouldn't have a soap-box to stand on now, would he? He's another one of those meatheads who was born on third base and honestly believes he's hit a home run.

Hugin

(33,189 posts)
14. To be precise, his daddy got rich grifting poor people.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:31 AM
Jan 2019

But, then as an entitled dominionist... He totally missed that fact.

Instead, he thinks God prefers him.

colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
17. He definitely needs to revisit the story of The Widow's Mite in the Bible.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jan 2019

People like Falwell are nothing new in this world. Jesus commented on them two thousand years ago.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
21. I'd say he needs to revisit the entire Bible.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:07 PM
Jan 2019

But somehow I doubt that he's ever visited it at all. These folks pick and choose which verses they consider important, and then try to tell the rest of us we have to agree with them. If persausion doesn't work, coercion is not beneath them.

And besides, wasn't Jesus poor? And he changed the world.

calimary

(81,440 posts)
29. Yep. And He hung out with them, favored them, and advocated for them.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jan 2019

You never hear any of these holier-than-thou gas giants referring to the story in the New Testament about Jesus and the rich young man.

Rich young man has heard all the buzz about this new Rabbi and is fascinated, and wants in. Approaches Jesse about it. Jesus instructs him that the way to join up for him will be to “go sell all you have, give the money to the poor, and come follow Me.”

And the last we hear of the rich young man is - he went away, sad.

Tbear

(488 posts)
35. And Jesus looked at him
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:35 PM
Jan 2019

and loved him.
Before He answered the rich young man's question that led him to walk away sad.
Important difference for the true Christian. Truth with love.




akraven

(1,975 posts)
19. My long-ago ex's mother was a total sucker for these leeches.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jan 2019

She barely made it month-to-month on her deceased husband's pitiful pension from a mine in Alabama, but "tithed" every month.

We used to bring her food.

I hate televangelists, period.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
22. What a "Christian" Jerry Falwell Jr is...
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

Why do people fall for greedy SOBs like Falwell father and Jr?
I know the father died and is in hell, where Jr will follow when his time comes.

Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
24. Well, NOT all our uber rich inherited their wealth or give a cent to charity
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:15 PM
Jan 2019

Some actually did something and when those leeches started on their relentless grasping for a buck, they were guess what? POOR.

And despite Falwell's stupidity, the fully documented FACT is that the poor and middle class give a whole lot more to charity as a percentage of their income than any uber rich scoundrel, no matter how many millions daddy gave them.

So, Falwell just handed out more lies....typical.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,032 posts)
25. Poor people give the most to charity as percents of income and wealth.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jan 2019

The 1% gives bigger dollar amounts, but a lesser percentage of the wealth & income.

Poor people have little disposable income but they often give that and more.

The 1% has gobs and buckets and tanker ships full of disposable income but are tight-fisted misers.

erronis

(15,328 posts)
33. Just like taxes. Us small people pay a whole hell of a lot more than them.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 09:51 PM
Jan 2019

And they want more of our pittances.

And they want to deny our tax dollars to go to help people really in need.

They lobby their paid congress-critters to pass tax cuts for the wealthy.

Sorry ---- preaching to the choir.

LakeArenal

(28,837 posts)
36. GF,Jr. should listen to what he should be preaching:
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jan 2019

Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
37. I'd like to take on the bit from Falwell, Jr's statement that was not highlighted
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:37 AM
Jan 2019
There’s two kingdoms. There’s the earthly kingdom and the heavenly kingdom. In the heavenly kingdom the responsibility is to treat others as you’d like to be treated. In the earthly kingdom, the responsibility is to choose leaders who will do what’s best for your country.


Falwell is basing this on a fundamental misreading of The City of God, a massive treatise on history, philosophy and the Christian religion by the fourth century Christian writer, Augustine of Hippo. In it, Augustine develops a theory of two cities: the earthly city, and the heavenly city.

Falwell takes this theory of two cities to mean that there is an earthly city. which he identifies with the state or with public life (which is the literal meaning of the Latin res publica) that God created to operate by mortal rules of self-interest, while the heavenly city is meant to operate by self-giving. According to this theory, there is little that isn’t permissible here in the earthly city, at least when it comes to the worldly affairs of politics and public life. It is only in the heavenly city -- which, in this misreading, is often identified with either heaven itself or religious institutions such as the church -- that Christians are actually bound to follow the dictates of their religion.

Thus, for Falwell, Christians in the earthly city are free to put self-interest over anything, it seems. Thus, he explains, "You don’t choose a president based on how good they are; you choose a president based on what their policies are."

What Augustine's two cities actually symbolize are two different destinations for the soul. The earthly city consists of the number of people who are self-seeking and self-desiring, whose ultimate end is their own benefit. The heavenly city consists of those who seek to follow the will of God. But the two cities are not separate or wholly distinct, either spatially or institutionally: They are everywhere and always intermixed. Citizens can bear dual citizenship: People who earnestly seek God in all things nevertheless live in a world shaped by and devoted to self-interest, and the generally selfish can, at times, confront the transcendent.

But Christians should never stop being Christians. Augustine argued that not being self-seeking made Christians better citizens. What Falwell appears to take as a permission slip to abandon Christian principle when given enough power more or less suggests the opposite. There is no mandate in Augustine to put aside Christianity when participating in civic life; the hope is rather that Christian morality will inform better and more peaceful citizenship -- thanks to all those virtues Falwell doesn’t like: mercy, justice, equanimity, compassion.

Of course, that doesn't mean Falwell never cares for Christian principle in American leaders, or that he would actually endorse a misreading of Augustine if it were laid out for him next to a better reading. He seems instead to have been reasoning backward, trying to explain in Christian terms why he holds the conclusions he does, rather than beginning from the religion he claims to hold and following it to its own conclusions. Critics of Christianity have struggled for centuries with precisely what Falwell does: That the religion isn't very good at making you rich or powerful and that it offers very little advice for crushing your enemies or securing your own benefit at the expense of others. "A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity, not of any real volume," Falwell claims, in direct contradiction to a lesson shared by Jesus in Mark 12.

That story goes like this: Jesus watches one day as many people, rich and poor, put money into the temple treasury. Though some rich people give large amounts of money, Jesus only stops to note the donation of a poor widow who gives only a few cents. "Truly I tell you," Jesus says, "this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."

There are no perfect Christians; Falwell is right about that. (I certainly wouldn’t claim the mantle.) But it's important to distinguish between abdicating Christian values to get ahead in business and politics, and the erroneous view that God sanctions some amount of immorality as natural or appropriate to life on Earth. There is no zone in Christian theology where malignant selfishness is permitted. The heavenly city is here right now, if you want to dwell there.

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