I like Warren and Beto together.

[leftyladyfrommo]

I just think they would work really hard to get things going on the right track.

[monmouth4]

1. That would be a "WOW ticket" for me. n/t

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[Mike Nelson]

2. Agree...

… usually, the early pairing ideas do not work. I often see Warren-Sanders and Sanders-Warren, which will never happen... However, I do think Warren might pick Beto as VP. I don't think he can pick her; she would turn it down... I think that Warren would shun any hint of a co-presidency, but she is comfortable and strong enough to make a bold VP choice. I think Beto "compliments" her by adding things... she's perceived as more "old guard" now and he's the "new flavor"... she's seen as very "liberal" and he can play up being from Texas and make moderates feel like it's going to be okay...

PS I'm just giving my opinions on the team and electorate. Often, I don't agree with perceptions. I will support any ticket!

[avebury]

3. I like Warren but I just don't think

that she could win in the long run. Democrats need a candidate with a huge WOW factor like what Obama was in 2008. Or somebody with well grounded stable vibes.

For stability I really like the idea of Biden who could make a really bold choice for VP to train up to President.

Warren is the type of candidate thrat would work to Trump's advantage. Biden would scream there is a grown up in the room next to the toddler in chief.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. I'm with you on that. I think Biden-Beto is perfect

Wisdom and experience and air of decency with youthful intelligent optimism. Could put us in power for 12 years. It would give Biden a chance to run the country after being second fiddle and it would give Beto a chance to learn from the best.

[LakeArenal]

19. And I'm with you.

The global diplomacy is my reason.

[RiverStone]

20. This is my favorite ticket (as of today) to beat tRump

I'm open to being surprised as we get into 2019, but Biden has the swagger + experience and Beto the enthusiastic + young voter appeal. Great combo!

Warren rocks, but I also feel she is the not the right choice to beat the orange maggot in 2020.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. But...how do you see the orange maggot being

Around in 2020? I only see it being a possibility if Mueller completely exonerates him. I keep forgetting that too.

We really have no idea who will run against. That's what I love about Beto. He decided in Texas that they would run FOR something instead of against something or someone!

[LongtimeAZDem]

51. +1 /nt

[Vinca]

4. I like Beto for VP and I would definitely vote for Warren, but my sole criteria

is whoever can beat Trump and I don't know that Warren can. I wish she had either ignored or laughed at Trump over the whole Native American business, but that stupid DNA test kind of gave the whole issue some kind of credibility. Yes, it's ridiculous, but everything around Trump is ridiculous.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. If we can learn one thing from d****** it is that

We always over apologize, over explain, lay low, etc. I still think if HRC had come out on the offensive over the server/emails things might have been different.

A little outrage. A little incredulity. " What? It's the same system that was set up for an ex-president! And it was good enough for him. And our house is guarded by the secret service! And our system was never hacked and the Pentagon was!"

Read an article by a career IT guy who said that the critical piece people were missing is that the whole security issue has been constantly evolving. You can't take today's standards and apply them to yesterday. Years ago no one knew much at all and they just depended on the IT people to take care of things.

I agree.. anyone who can beat Trump. But then I stop and think how likely is it that he will be around in 2020? Even if he somehow gets through everything I doubt he could win the nomination. Especially since he only got through by the skin of his teeth in 2016 and Mueller will at least find some dirt on him.

Most every other GOPer has stuck with him and will be soiled because of that. Maybe that's why Romney his come out against him to set himself apart.

[calimary]

15. Don't take ANYTHING for granted! Remember: the other side CHEATS.

One other thing we all have to guard against: falling in love with marginal candidates who appeal to only a segment of the electorate, and REALISTICALLY have no chance of winning, but only serve to splinter us up into factions that spend the whole campaign bickering and sabotaging each other.

This is MASSIVELY important. CRITICALLY important! Last time, I often found myself thinking about a campaign cliche : “Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.” How ardently I wished that we were more like them in that one single respect.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. 100% agree! And we need to find a way to

Communicate that here without being accused of being a troll. I am also a firm believer in not pushing someone who starts with baggage, below zero. Hard enough to succeed as it is.

[bonniebgood]

16. Laura, I'lll drink to that. We said. I'll take anyone who can beat any republician.

[violetpastille]

52. I have to admit...

I see what you see.

It's not about the DNA test. That's another thread.

It was bad judgment. Let me walk that back..That was unneeded. Why?

I see a lot of myself in Warren. I think she needs somebody to tell her honestly when she asks, "How am I looking on the other side?" as they are backing up.

Somebody who can see around the corners.

I actually would prefer Howard Dean as her partner. In Perfect World.

[Vinca]

61. It's a shame Howard Dean isn't even considered a contender.

There was so much enthusiasm for him when he ran and the whole "scream" thing was stupid and caused by a glitch in the sound system. Too bad. He was a good Governor of Vermont and he would make a good president.

[babylonsister]

10. Apologies, but

I never heard of Andrew Yang.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Me either

[FM123]

26. I like Andrew too!

There are so many great Dems!!!

[Bradshaw3]

27. Well the Young turks like him

And he has absolutely no governmental or foreign policy experience that he lists; his credentials are owning an unnamed company and favoring universal basic income, which has no chance of passing.

[Bradshaw3]

30. So you're comparing Democratic voters to repub voters?

I don't believe that we share the same ignorant qualities that allowed dump to get the repub nomination. So are there other factors on the Democratic side that would permit such a person as Yang to be nominated? I don't see them.

[Bradshaw3]

35. Well you used dump as your example

of how an unexpected candidate can win, so don't accuse me of putting words in your mouth. If you want to use winning the repub primary as your example of what could happen in a Democratic primary, that is your choice.

[Bradshaw3]

46. Lame deflection

I was amused by your post so your attempt to portray it as anger is even funnier. Yu used dump as an example of what can happen - but wouldn't in a Democratic primary. But people use deflections when they don't have a leg to stand on. You chose an unfortunate anaology and won't admit it. OK.

Your "candidate" is unproven with no experience and without a mention of his business on his bio. Think we've gone down that road but if you like him that's your choice.

[Sherman A1]

47. OMG

You are so right and I am completely wrong in everything I think, say or have ever done.


Please excuse me for living.

[Bradshaw3]

48. No reason to be emotional

It's just not good to think the Dems would ever nominate someone in the way the repubs did. As long as you vote Democratic I'm glad you are living.

[Sherman A1]

49. Thank You For Playing

[Bradshaw3]

50. No problem

[oberliner]

45. Universal basic income

Worth talking about - that's for sure!

[violetpastille]

59. +1 Actually

[aeromanKC]

7. Great Ticket

Dems have a deep bench!!

I prefer Biden/Beto but will vote anything D!!

[MiniMe]

8. There is no "ticket" until after the Presidential nominee is chosen

Then the Presidential nominee chooses his/her running mate. The VP is chosen at the convention.

[TexasBushwhacker]

23. Maybe that can change

I know that's how it's traditionally done, but Trump has pretty much done away with "tradition".

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. I have often thought that! Why not go as a team ! Seems

It could double the appeal. And you are right, it's the sliver of silver lining in the Trump debacle. No tradition is sacrosanct anymore

[TexasBushwhacker]

56. Pardon my French, but

Trump fucked tradition in the ass.

Let's present a team and SHOW (not just say) how we're going to make it work.

[FailureToCommunicate]

9. Meh. Folks who admire Warren's tough talk -and I am one- need to ask if

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she can whip up the kind of enthusiasm campaigning required to win. As I have said in the past, having worked with/for her running for office here in Massachusetts, I just don't think she could pull it off nationwide.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. It would be an uphill battle here in the south

Anywhere we're there is a concentration of low-info voters. Trump monikers stick - makes me hate him so much more.

[MrsCoffee]

43. Well if folks just keep accepting the Republican narrative and repeating it....

Like they did with Hillary....then yeah, it will become an uphill battle.

There was ABUNDANT enthusiasm for Warren when it was Hillary running. Now we are hearing from many of the same folks who said it wasn't the fact that Hillary was a woman and that they would support Warren, that they don't think Warren is the woman for the job.

It's ridiculous.

[FailureToCommunicate]

64. Well, I am certainly not 'accepting the Repub narrative' regarding Warren. My opinion is from

having worked on her campaigns here, with her. She is a great person, and terrific on the issues. She has been a strong progressive voice, and an effective Senator for the Commonwealth. I just feel she doesn't engender the kind of excitement outside of progressive circles that she'd need to do well nationally.

[UniteFightBack]

65. I agree. There are many who are just completely unrealistic about this. nt

[PDittie]

14. Needs more

shall we say ... pigmentation?

It's 2018 and Democrats can't just gesture in the general direction of POC and expect them to fall in line with their votes. (Sorry; needed to be said.)

[madville]

21. Just FYI, this is the tactic being spread around sites like Reddit right now

The idea from the Alt-Right is to constantly bring up on message boards and in comment sections that a Democrat is "Too white" or a male candidate isn't going to energize women, or a woman can't get elected, etc.

Anytime Joe Biden or Bernie gets mentioned it is usually suggested that they are too white, too male and too old. The trolls are going to amplify this x10 during the primary and use it as a weapon.

I'm sure that's not your intention but don't be surprised if someone accuses you of being an Alt-Right troll for suggesting that a candidate is too white because that is also one of the enemies strategies this primary cycle.

Link to tweet

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[PDittie]

24. I don't read Reddit but

I've certainly been called alt-right before, along with "Russian bot" and "troll", sometimes in this very forum, without penalty to those doing the name-calling.

I ain't bothered, but thanks for your concern.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. I agree. If they had their way, they would love 2

Rile their racist base if we ran a minority. We have to assume we are being brainwashed in some way. That is why we should focus on being for someone or something.

[TexasBushwhacker]

25. Oh really?

Is pigmentation going to be the criteria now? I understand some POC were less than enthusiastic about Clinton and stayed home in places like Michigan. So how's that working out for them? How's Trump's America for POC?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Duh question..what's POC?

[violetpastille]

58. People of Color

[violetpastille]

53. Same as for People of Whiteness.

There's plenty of blame to go around.

[TexasBushwhacker]

54. Are you saying there are Democrats that only vote for white Democrats?

[violetpastille]

57. Nope.

Sorry.

I'm saying that Trump's America is not working for anybody.

"How's that working out?" It's not.

That is one crappy thing that unites us all.

Don't let's allow it to divide us.

Black people who voted voted overwhelmingly for Clinton.

[TexasBushwhacker]

60. "Black people who voted voted overwhelmingly for Clinton"

And that's the rub. Black voter participation actually went DOWN in 2016 for the first time in 20 years. While some, perhaps most, of the decline can be attributed to voter supression, purges and other dirty dealings by the GOP, some blacks (and some millennials for that matter) who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 just stayed home. That's certainly their right, but our vote is our voice. It's all we have. When we don't use it to help decide who our leaders will be, we let others decide for us. Clinton lost Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by less than 100K votes total.

But I don't blame Clinton's loss on black people who didn't vote. I blame it on ALL people who didn't vote. It makes no more sense to me to insist that the Democratic nominee be a POC than it would for me to insist that they be female. I want the best candidate that can BEAT TRUMP.

[violetpastille]

63. All people who didn't vote get a share of blame

Those who voted third party get some.

Those who voted for Trump get an extra helping.

I voted for Clinton but I can take some blame too.
I didn't do absolutely everything I could.
I wore my Clinton T-Shirt in Trumpville.
I voted with enthusiasm, not a bit of nose-holding.
I gave till it hurt.

But did I canvass? No. I did not. Would it have made a difference?

Yes.

I could have been a better anti-bot.

Now I know better and I hope to do better.

I don't think there is much space between us here.


The other issue - I don't see anyone on DU insisting that the nominee be a woman.
But we can express that preference, right? We can open it up for discussion.

Female Democratic Politicians bring a frame of reference that is valuable. When they run they can win and when they win they bring something of value to to the table.

I was excited to vote for HRC, not just because of her qualifications - I was also excited to vote for the first Woman President.

And I want the opportunity to vote for an AA Female President!

I'm at this place where I'm like, "God bless all our candidates and God bless us."

This is some serious Game of Thrones shit we're living.

Except GOT is a great show and this is a shitshow.

[RainCaster]

22. I truly love Warren, but I think she would be a better leader where she is

She has the experience and foresight to fix our messed up banking and investments issues.

[Mojo2]

32. Disagree

Warren doesn't help with the Midwest problem, the Dems need to have a candidate that is going to bring in: Penn, Wisc and Mich in 2020. I think Warren is to polarizing, I think a Biden-Beto, Biden-Harris, or Biden-Brown would be stronger in those states, with the caveat that Biden is only serving one term.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. +1

[ooky]

34. I don't have a front runner at this point but

I do like the idea of having Sherrod Brown on the ticket to see if he can help deliver Ohio. And, he would make a good president.

I like both Warren and Beto. Warren probably identifies more closely with my politics than anyone else in the field. I'm not convinced she's the best general election candidate we can put forward as far as electability, but I would absolutely LOVE to have her in the White House.

[oberliner]

44. I think we are OK without Ohio

As long as we can take PA, MI, and WI which I think are more winnable.

[TexasBushwhacker]

55. I like Brown too

And what an asset Connie Schultz would be as FLOTUS!!! It seems like a little thing, but it isn't.

[Baltimike]

41. Me too...but I also like Clinton and Kaine...and as more and more comes out

It really does look like they won.

I take a hard pass at treason and a hard pass at stolen elections.

[ecstatic]

62. Only works if Beto tops the ticket, IMO. nt