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McD employee has to fight like hell to get man's hands off her but the manager takes his order?? (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jan 2019 OP
What the ever loving fucking fuck? Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #1
twitter is on it. the police were called but he had left. He needs to be arrested for assault Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #2
He did an assault, she fought back in self defense. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #4
I bet he has some bruises. Tipperary Jan 2019 #6
I counted 10 hits to his head area Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #8
You can bet this asshole MontanaMama Jan 2019 #3
He is Florida Man. nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #29
That is sickening. Tipperary Jan 2019 #5
its gone viral Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #7
I want to see the full exchange 912gdm Jan 2019 #9
Big man snatches young girl with folded arms. Nothing more to see. oasis Jan 2019 #18
I didn't dispute that. 912gdm Jan 2019 #30
What you want isn't the point here. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #39
Why isn't he arrested? And McDonalds supported this? rockfordfile Jan 2019 #10
The tweet doesn't match the video KentuckyWoman Jan 2019 #11
I see what you describe. Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #15
Me too ... mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #26
What's to calm? The man violently grabbed and refused to release that young woman. Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #37
Thank you. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #40
Don't know how anyone can avoid seeing this ugly event clearly! Thank YOU. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #43
Death by crushing is an appropriate response in your mind? Marengo Jan 2019 #50
Not necessarily jberryhill Jan 2019 #53
The devil is in the details. nt Codeine Jan 2019 #58
Wrong season up here. Local substitute would be a Zamboni. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #60
I really don't expect the manager to put hands on this man MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #57
Who was supposed to detain him? MrGrieves Jan 2019 #62
I think the manager should be fired. He gives her zero amount of help and then takes the man's Maraya1969 Jan 2019 #12
Strange way for a customer to ask a question! democratisphere Jan 2019 #13
What an asshole nmgaucho Jan 2019 #14
For those who cannot see the tweet, here is YouTube video csziggy Jan 2019 #16
I wonder what happened before the video starts. Arkansas Granny Jan 2019 #33
I don't have a clue Hav Jan 2019 #17
he claimed he was only asking her a question AFTER he had grabbed her JI7 Jan 2019 #21
They didn't come to help her soon enough and the perp should have been taken down.. Laffy Kat Jan 2019 #19
Who how and why? MrGrieves Jan 2019 #64
the worthless piece of shit said he wants her fired JI7 Jan 2019 #20
If you read the Twitter thread linked in the OP, Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #22
He was obviously hammered ... he definitely needs treatment of some kind as well ... mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #25
no point injecting logic to chaos 912gdm Jan 2019 #31
An arrest record is not against DU rules obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #36
I can't find anything on google about the attacker. cwydro Jan 2019 #47
Arrest record: Denzil_DC Jan 2019 #54
Good deal. Thank you! cwydro Jan 2019 #63
Okay, now it's working at McDonald's ... LenaBaby61 Jan 2019 #23
That's all true, but ... huge props cause she was a f*cking BADASS ... I absolutely love her ... mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #24
The dipshit got his ass handed to him and will be reminded of it for the rest of his life Major Nikon Jan 2019 #27
you are so correct 912gdm Jan 2019 #32
Agreed! Basement Beat Jan 2019 #34
It's Florida RandiFan1290 Jan 2019 #35
Ayup. Iggo Jan 2019 #59
You Don't Have RobinA Jan 2019 #75
"Though she be but small, she is fierce!" nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #28
Demovictory9, I can't bring myself to watch that video a 2nd time. Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #38
It's very upsetting to watch. cwydro Jan 2019 #46
A source on Twitter posted his name: Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #41
Glad to hear this. cwydro Jan 2019 #44
Bet you anything that Daniel Taylor has had run-ins with the law before. Nt raccoon Jan 2019 #48
This is a little rough on the manager and the young black male MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #55
Agreed. MrGrieves Jan 2019 #66
Yeah, that manager is now on a link I saw saying "manager fails to help." cwydro Jan 2019 #69
They Did The Right Thing RobinA Jan 2019 #73
Uh oh. Trying to find more on this story, I ran into this headline: Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #42
Not this specific case, but Snopes has more on this sort of thing JHB Jan 2019 #45
Interesting how folks can ignore the racism and sexism going on here.. HipChick Jan 2019 #49
It's not just that cagefreesoylentgreen Jan 2019 #65
I don't know if I am reading this but it seems like MrGrieves Jan 2019 #70
Well, She's A Female RobinA Jan 2019 #72
And yet.... MrGrieves Jan 2019 #74
The minute he touched her, it should have been game over for him! FM123 Jan 2019 #51
It pretty much was. She got the best of him in this fight, both physically and morally MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #56
The customer is always right.?! KWR65 Jan 2019 #52
The manager should have protected his employee secondwind Jan 2019 #61
I Can't Imagine RobinA Jan 2019 #68
The manager did NOT take his order...and she should press charges Baltimike Jan 2019 #67
Official photo dalton99a Jan 2019 #71
Nothing seems particularly extraordinary about this incident. KO_ Stradivarius Jan 2019 #76

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
2. twitter is on it. the police were called but he had left. He needs to be arrested for assault
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 11:57 PM
Jan 2019

I bet he will think twice before grabbing a woman after that beat down.

912gdm

(959 posts)
9. I want to see the full exchange
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 12:20 AM
Jan 2019

b4 I say the manager took the order. From what I see he came to the front after a loud disturbance, didn't know what was going on, and tried to deescalate the situation by viewing the receipt. The vid doesn't show him serving the order or giving a refund.

912gdm

(959 posts)
30. I didn't dispute that.
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 04:39 AM
Jan 2019

I was questioning the part of the tweet and editing referring to the manager. The tweet says the manager "took his order". I didn't see that.

People are calling for that manager to be fired. Not the asshole drunk guy, not the victim. But a guy who appears in an edited short clip.

I would really like to see the full video of what led up to, the incident, and the aftermath.


MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
39. What you want isn't the point here.
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 07:28 AM
Jan 2019

There is nothing else that needs to be seen. Whether that meets with your approval or not doesn’t matter.


KentuckyWoman

(6,687 posts)
11. The tweet doesn't match the video
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 12:21 AM
Jan 2019

The video doesn't show the manager taking his order. It shows the manager helping to get them separated, then later looking at a receipt. He then walks off camera before coming back to get the employee to leave the front end. The video doesn't show anything about what happened after that.

Twittersphere claims the police were called and the guy left without any food, so where this tweeter gets the idea the manager could care less is up for grabs.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
26. Me too ...
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 03:32 AM
Jan 2019

From what I see here, I don't see a huge problem with the McD's manager's actions.

First order of business is to separate the two and try to calm the situation, and that's all I see anyone else behind teh counter doing.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
37. What's to calm? The man violently grabbed and refused to release that young woman.
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 07:17 AM
Jan 2019

Then, to top it off, he called her a "bitch" for struggling to free herself.

He should have been detained until the police arrived, and arrested.

The manager should have defended the worker. Absolutely nothing else matters. She was assaulted. How dare that scum.

If only someone had a catapult on hand to hurl him right out into the middle of the street that could have been allowed, if the traffic was heavy enough. If not, he should have been driven to a construction site and rolled with a steam roller until uniformly flat and thin as a dime.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
60. Wrong season up here. Local substitute would be a Zamboni.
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 11:48 AM
Jan 2019

There, the ice shaving blades would play the part of scalding heat.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
57. I really don't expect the manager to put hands on this man
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jan 2019

The manager is not a trained policeman or security guard. He was quiet and waiting for police. Not asking him to be as brave as his employee. He has a right not to get killed. And don't think that wasn't on his mind. He knows violent racism when he sees it. (Not to mention, the racist man just had his a-- kicked by a young woman, and no telling what his ego would cause him to do next).

 

MrGrieves

(315 posts)
62. Who was supposed to detain him?
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jan 2019

And under what authority should he have been detained? There was video surveillance to let the police do their jobs. None of the workers knew if this guy had a gun on him, a knife, or if he would become violent to the workers or other patrons in the store. Attempting to detain him may have endangered other people in the restaurant. Not a good idea.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
12. I think the manager should be fired. He gives her zero amount of help and then takes the man's
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jan 2019

order. His employee was just assaulted! He should have been, at the very least, calling 911 at that point.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
16. For those who cannot see the tweet, here is YouTube video
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 12:42 AM
Jan 2019


The commenters have the same questions DUers do.

The body language of the woman BEFORE the man assaults her is telling - she is backed away from the counter with her arms crossed over her chest. Very defensive posture on her part. I wonder if he had already tried to grab at her before the beginning of the video?

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
33. I wonder what happened before the video starts.
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 06:12 AM
Jan 2019

Another employee was already standing behind the girl who was attacked before the guy grabbed her. Her defensive posture suggests that the customer had already said or done something to make her step back from the counter.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
17. I don't have a clue
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:56 AM
Jan 2019

what can prompt a person to reach at a person like that. He claims he only asked a question but that is just weird. But I have to say, it was bittersweet to see that ass-kicking. While it was good to see she's a fighter, you can clearly see it was terror in self-defense for her as well. He was a bully that met fight or flight and wasn't ready when fight kicked in.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
19. They didn't come to help her soon enough and the perp should have been taken down..
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:28 AM
Jan 2019

And held for the police. I'm sick of this shit.

 

MrGrieves

(315 posts)
64. Who how and why?
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

Who should have taken him down?
How should they have restrained him with other patrons and employees in the building?
Why was this necessary with video footage for the police to obtain the man with?

Why is it a restaurant managers duty to engage in security such as apprehension and detention of someone? This to me is like saying that teachers should be armed in schools it makes no sense to me. How does the manager (or any other employee) know what the man is capable of? Does he have a weapon inside his waistband? Is he capable of physically hurting someone (other than what we ALREADY saw on the video)?

We all want to see the guy get his just punishment for what he did but there are more people in the video to be aware of other than the assaulter and the victim here.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
20. the worthless piece of shit said he wants her fired
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:39 AM
Jan 2019

he is one that fucking grabbed her. only fucked up people do that .

he needs to be arrested and charged .

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
22. If you read the Twitter thread linked in the OP,
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:41 AM
Jan 2019

the guy subsequently also picked a fight with the manager behind the counter, the police were called, and attacker's currently in jail pending two charges of simple battery, having been unable to find $500 bail. He's reportedly "transient".

I haven't posted the attacker's details as I think that's against DU rules, but the charge sheet can be found on the Twitter thread.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
63. Good deal. Thank you!
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jan 2019

I’d be afraid if I worked at that McDonalds; I can imagine him coming back for revenge.

I still want to know if the young woman is ok.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
23. Okay, now it's working at McDonald's ...
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:53 AM
Jan 2019
While black.

The manager appeared to be non-black, so of course he didn't care if that white guy was beating up on his black female employee.

Pretty much anything African-Americans DO now-a-days is dangerous, and can cost them their jobs and worse. Their lives. Wonder WHY all of those young guys around her really just stood there and watched what was going on. One of the guys grabs HER.


Silly me, they might have thought they would have gotten shot and killed if the loony white guy had a gun, and maybe they didn't want to take that chance.


Doing ANYTHING while black can cost you your LIFE.

Such is life in tRumputin's AmeriKKKa.

SMDH
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
24. That's all true, but ... huge props cause she was a f*cking BADASS ... I absolutely love her ...
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 03:28 AM
Jan 2019

And she's going to be famous from this, and probably make a lot more money than she ever would've ... working at McDonalds.

Hopefully, anyway.

She was ready to take that dude out back and rumble, and I absolutely believe she'd have kicked his drunken, stupid ass.

Too bad she didn't get to.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. The dipshit got his ass handed to him and will be reminded of it for the rest of his life
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 03:49 AM
Jan 2019

I'm pretty sure the next morning his head felt like he was wishing he got the license plate of the truck that hit him.

Basement Beat

(659 posts)
34. Agreed!
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 06:27 AM
Jan 2019

Her coworkers let her down incredibly though.
It's too many news reports out there for decent people to not rise up and support people defending themselves from the crazies. Like how can so many men walk around in slow motion looking while this man assaulted this woman?

RandiFan1290

(6,237 posts)
35. It's Florida
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 06:36 AM
Jan 2019

One of the places where white people are allowed to murder a black person for trying to defend themselves.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
75. You Don't Have
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jan 2019

to be black to take abuse when working retail. Or really any public facing job. Nor does the abuser have to be any particular color. I've been white all my life and public facing most of my life and it comes from everybody.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
38. Demovictory9, I can't bring myself to watch that video a 2nd time.
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 07:23 AM
Jan 2019

I tried, but knowing what's on it now, I couldn't manage it without crying.

That man is evil. What he did to that young woman is beyond forgiveness. That is no way to treat ANY living being, any time, any where. He had to have been raised in an outhouse, or under a bridge with the right-wing trolls.

I hope the worker is going to be able to overcome what has to be a hell of a load of trauma. I'm certain I couldn't, and when she has overcome her shock, undoubtedly she will be hit by wave after wave of amazing rage. Who wouldn't? I hope his face is going to get good exposure in the days ahead so everyone can identify him.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
41. A source on Twitter posted his name:
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 07:42 AM
Jan 2019
"The suspect's name is Daniel Taylor and he has been arrested"

From this link:



It was reassuring to finally learn that he was actually arrested for this.

Some of the comments are so good to see, they help a person unwind a little bit, knowing so many people are aware of it already.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
55. This is a little rough on the manager and the young black male
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 10:38 AM
Jan 2019

The situation was diffused. The cops came and arrested the man who assaulted the employee. Are we expecting the young black male to get himself killed rather than calm things down? I applaud the young woman for risking her own physical safety to defend herself. I am not going to demand the same from her co-workers who might just want to live to fight another day in racist America. Not asking them to die to satisfy our desire for a YouTube action flick.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
69. Yeah, that manager is now on a link I saw saying "manager fails to help."
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:35 PM
Jan 2019

Not everyone is a fighter, nor should they be.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
73. They Did The Right Thing
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jan 2019

You don't solve a violent situation with more violence. The two needed to be separated before the woman or somebody else got hurt. Plus, the last thing you need is other customers getting involved. It seems to me the situation ended as it should have with the instigator in jail. Employees should have...what?...jumped over the counter and started attacking the guy? That's the thinking of the cops when they enter a hot situation with lights, sirens, SWAT gear blazing and guns drawn. It just makes a situation worse.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
42. Uh oh. Trying to find more on this story, I ran into this headline:
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 07:49 AM
Jan 2019

Fancy a bite? McDonald's burger bought in Utah in 1999 looks exactly the same as the day it was first flipped (even after it spent two years in a COAT POCKET)

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER

PUBLISHED: 22:28 EST, 22 April 2013 | UPDATED: 04:03 EST, 24 April 2013


If you need another reason to kick the junk food habit this should do it.

A Utah man has unearthed a McDonald's hamburger he bought in 1999 - and the sandwich looks exactly the same as the day it was first flipped.

David Whipple kept the fast food meal for a month to show friends how the preservative-packed hamburger would keep its composure.



Still going: A Utah man has unearthed a McDonald's hamburger, pictured, he bought in 1999


But he forgot about it, finding it two years later in his coat pocket and then he decided to continue the bizarre experiment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313276/Man-keeps-McDonalds-burger-14-years-looks-exactly-the-day-flipped-Utah.html

JHB

(37,161 posts)
45. Not this specific case, but Snopes has more on this sort of thing
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 08:32 AM
Jan 2019
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/six-year-old-happy-meal-doesnt-rot/


Mostly False
What's True:
Under specific conditions, food items (and other organic matter) dry out quickly and don't decompose.

What's False:
It's not the case that McDonald's menu items alone "don't rot," or that McDonald's food never "rots" under any condition, or that "chemicals" cause McDonald's food to not break down over the course of years.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
49. Interesting how folks can ignore the racism and sexism going on here..
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 09:28 AM
Jan 2019

Another sad day in America...

65. It's not just that
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jan 2019

But there’s also a significant amount of classism going on here, where some people think it’s okay to treat service workers like a lower form of life.

 

MrGrieves

(315 posts)
70. I don't know if I am reading this but it seems like
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

I don't know if I am reading this but it seems like some people are hung up on the idea that she needed rescuing. It sure didn't appear to me that she needed a knight in shining armor to come to her aid.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
72. Well, She's A Female
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 02:36 PM
Jan 2019

and he was a male and considerably taller than she was. He could have pulled her over the counter. Men are just stronger than women. Way stronger. Plus, the situation needed to be deescalated as soon as possible and neither of those involved were doing that.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
56. It pretty much was. She got the best of him in this fight, both physically and morally
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 10:40 AM
Jan 2019

News to America: Racists can't fight for s***

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
61. The manager should have protected his employee
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jan 2019

instead of just pulling her back. He should have stopped this a lot sooner IMHO Chivalry is dead in this video. Just my two cents.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
68. I Can't Imagine
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jan 2019

what else he could have done. He deescalated and took over the transaction. Retail workers aren't law enforcement. I certainly wouldn't want to work in retail in these days when everybody's taking pictures and a bunch of people who never faced a customer and weren't present get to comment on how the situation was handled. The managers these days are caught between the howling Internet mobs and their employers.

The two coworkers seem to me like they pretty much did what they should have done as well. They tried and succeeded in separating them. The woman was way shorter than the customer and could easily have been pulled over the counter, which could have ended in a melee with serious injuries.

Baltimike

(4,146 posts)
67. The manager did NOT take his order...and she should press charges
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 01:20 PM
Jan 2019

against him and her employer if they don't back her up 100%

 

KO_ Stradivarius

(26 posts)
76. Nothing seems particularly extraordinary about this incident.
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 04:08 PM
Jan 2019

YouTube has dozens of employee/customer, customer/customer, employee/employee fisticuffs videos
(the same goes for any fast food chain you can think of).

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mcdonalds+fight

It happens often enough, that there are compilation videos...



Itshouldn't happen, but it does. Unfortunately these are the times we live in.

Anyhow, my observations and comments regarding this one...

1) I'm curious what set it off? It looks like the assailant already had his order (assuming it was his)
in front of him when the woman stepped back and the guy reached over and grabbed her.
Was there some verbal altercation between the two beforehand? What was said, and about what?
The way the manager checked the receipt might be a clue.

2) I think the rest of the employees and the manager handled the situation pretty well given the
circumstances. They didn't escalate things, one employee did step around the counter and pulled
they guy away (he didn't slug him or hard tackle him to the floor). The manager can only do so much
in this situation... he can order the customer to leave, or he can try to calm the person down and
find out what the problem is. That's it. They cant' detain the person, they can't respond in a manner
that could potentially cause physical harm, etc. All of this I'm sure is company policy, and more than
likely they have training for it (if they didn't before, they sure as hell will now). The reason for this
is no big secret... because they can, and will be sued for any reason, even ones out of their control.

3) Why didn't the other customers step in? Because in this day and age a person could be hit by a car
and bystanders first reaction is to pull out their cellphones rather than lend assistance; sad but true.

4) Despite what some have posted here, I fail to see where "she kicked his ass". What I saw was two people
struggling in a clownish manner. She managed to get one, maybe two glancing blows to his head and the rest
were hitting his forearms trying to break free, while at the same time grabbing onto his shirt pulling him forward
(perhaps to maintain her balance?). Once it was over, the guy didn't seem the slightest bit bothered or injured,
and neither did she. I know some people are 'shocked' by this, but if you've watched any of the other videos,
this one is more like some stupid schoolyard spat.

5) What's the assailants story? The arrest report says that hes a "transient". Does that mean he's homeless,
perhaps with some mental issues? Is it a black/white, male/female thing, or both, or neither? Maybe the guy
is just some temperamental asshole?

We'll probably never know the full story behind this, but what ever it is, it'll only be viral until the next time
something like this happens (and it will).
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