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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJudge Jeanine Pirro is officially the laughing stock of the planet
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/michael-flynns-judge-destroys-trumps-conspiracy-theory.htmlThe precise extent of Flynns crimes remains largely redacted. But the response of the judge, Emmet G. Sullivan, gives some indication of their severity. Sullivan lectured Flynn, Arguably you sold your country out Im not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense. He mused that Flynn may have committed treason, before later acknowledging that treason only applies to assisting foreign enemies that are in a state of war with the United States (which Russia and Turkey were not.)
What makes this turn of events so devastating is that conservatives have held out Sullivan as the judicial hero who would vindicate their theories. Fox News legal pundit Jeanine Pirro called him a jurist unafraid of the swamp, a judge who has a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct, a man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power. Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel praised Sullivan as a judge who is wise to the tricks of prosecutors and investigators His reputation is for being no-nonsense, a straight shooter, an advocate of government transparency.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Ill Give $500 to Charity For Fox to Replay That Clip
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/nicolle-wallace-roasts-jeanine-pirro-for-praising-flynn-judge-last-week-ill-give-500-to-charity-for-fox-to-replay-that-clip/
malaise
(269,157 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)"today was a good day"
malaise
(269,157 posts)It was hilarious watching them being slapped silly today.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Maybe Rachel will replay it? I doubt it, but it would be fun if she did.
malaise
(269,157 posts)and laughing.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I was at the dentist getting a crown. But that crown is still more legitimate than Rump's!
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I have seen to numerous times!
Then we have Tucker Carlson losing sponsors over his racist remarks.
And, how about Judge Napolitano?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-napolitano-trump_us_5c1946c6e4b02d2cae8df862
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)doc03
(35,364 posts)but what Faux says.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)But seriously, anything that demonstrates just how stupid Faux "news" really is can only be a good thing. I've been saying (and I know a lot of others have been saying this too) that the way to scrub the country of RW ideology is to go after their media.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)smb
(3,475 posts)$2000 if they cut away from Pirro's yammering to show it.
kag
(4,079 posts)I like to remember O'Lielly asserting over and over that he only ever reports the "truth". Only. Ever. I'm sure all the other Faux idiots believe that of themselves.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Best laugh all day. I wonder what "Judge" Pirro has to say now that Judge Sullivan destroyed that Trump/Fox conspiracy theory?
malaise
(269,157 posts)We don't have Fox
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Saw it on another program.
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)Even though the judge mellowed his statements after he returned to the bench, his words are still hanging out there--you sold your country out, was treason considered, I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain--because they echo what many of us have said and/or thought. It's clear that there's no remorse on Flynn's part, only regret that he was caught and forced out into the open. Having his lawyers take another swipe at the FBI, pretend that he was 'tricked' into coughing up information indicates he's still spouting Trumpski's propaganda and appealing to MAGA base.
I share the judge's disgust.
SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)shouldn't have to be told to tell the truth to anyone. His only reason to lie would be to cover something up, and that's exactly what he did. FOX lives in an alternate reality where truth and facts can gain no purchase. The Judge today made him back down and admit he intentionally lied to the FBI and that there was no duress involved with him doing so. Flynn is a liar and a criminal. You can see why Trump picked him. He picks "all the best people".
smb
(3,475 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I think 'we' need to cease using 'alternate reality' and use the true word.
LIES !!!!!
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True Blue American
(17,988 posts)That he knew lying to the FBI was wrong.
Flynn and his Attorneys tried to pull a fast one on the Judge. He cut them off at the knees.
Now Flynn will have to co- operate with the Investigation. His jail time depends on it.
Nevilledog
(51,197 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)Why would she think he's in the tank for trump then?
malaise
(269,157 posts)That's what the pundits said so I found this
https://www.npr.org/2012/03/15/148687717/report-prosecutors-hid-evidence-in-ted-stevens-case
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)Thanks for this
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)what am I missing?
malaise
(269,157 posts)because Stevens was a big time ReTHUG.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)the other was a prosecutor and Emmet is a judge. Maybe I didn't read the names right? I'm dense sometimes!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)louis-t
(23,297 posts)Racerdog1
(808 posts)Now she has proven it again!
DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts). . .my, my, how she's really gone off the rails.
malaise
(269,157 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts)But her hubby Albert couldn't keep out of trouble; he was once Trump's butt boy for an ill-conceived development project out on Long Island Sound - which got roundly defeated on all sides.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I recall something, but honestly the corruption and crimes are so deep it is hard to remember them all.
DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts)The Pirros are divorced, as well.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Merry Christmas!
kentuck
(111,110 posts)gademocrat7
(10,669 posts)Glad she is getting ridiculed.
Takket
(21,625 posts)she was just too stupid to realize that the judge would (correctly) recognize FLYNN as the swamp and not mueller.
i'm sure she'll apologize for her error tonight
malaise
(269,157 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Does she really believe the shit she spews?
She is paid to present to her viewers the fictional narratives they want to hear, and then she laughs all the way to the bank.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)To my mind, that is largely how he and the situation turned out. It's just that she has different definitions, different metrics and different expectations.
He fell WAY short of hers, yet he exceeded mine. Tom-ay-to Tom-ah-to.
VOX
(22,976 posts)It would mean that all differing definitions, metrics and expectations of any given scenario are valid, until the situation plays out. And even then, there are no faulty ideas involved, just unexpected results.
Unfortunately, this reasoning doesnt allow for a flat-out repudiation of any inherently toxic or destructive beliefs: racism, xenophobia, religious fanaticism, right-wing dictatorships, etc., because theyre simply a particular set of definitions, metrics and expectations.
whopis01
(3,523 posts)When you look at how she said the judge would act, she is pretty much spot-on.
She said that he is "a jurist unafraid of the swamp, a judge who has a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct, a man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power."
"unafraid of the swamp" ==> Unafraid of Trump
"track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct" ==> A good indicator he thought there was no such misconduct
"does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power" ==> He certainly didn't tolerate Flynn's abuse of power or injustice
Her expectations and definitions of what things like "the swamp" and "abuse of power" meant were way off, but her thought of how the judge would respond to those things was correct.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Because, like most Trumpists (if not all) her beliefs and expectations were/are completely out of line with what occurs in objective, measurable reality.
Her delusional hubris enabled her (incorrect) prognostication on how the judge was going to go easy on Flynn. She actually thought that she had this in the bag. Oops.
Say that Sean Hannity (sorry) claims, Trump will go down as a larger-than-life president who shook up the status quo. He is one of a kind, and Americans will never forget him.
Using the aforementioned reasoning, semantically, every word in that statement is true, if only by virtue of its unspecified wording. But we know that hes full of poop, and is either delusional or just plain lying, because we know Sean Hannity.
Dont worry, Im not on some quest here, just knocking around some ideas. I appreciate your point of view. Thanks, whopis01. And that IS true!
whopis01
(3,523 posts)I'm not on any quest either - I just find it kind of fascinating, if futile, to try to figure out what the thought process is with someone like her.
I know I am putting way too much thought into this. I am sure that if she had known how the judge would react ahead of time, she would have been talking him down and telling people what a bad judge he is and how he shouldn't be overseeing this case. I am sure the only reason she was praising him was because she thought the outcome was going to go the other way.
Either way - I just found it entertaining that she could (seemingly) accurately describe the judge, but so horribly fail to predict what his action would be.
I can understand someone getting the basic facts wrong, then coming to an incorrect conclusion. You can be mistaken about something, but still be logical. However, to get the basic facts correct, and then come to an incorrect conclusion shows a complete lack of logic.
So - I don't disagree with anything you have said. She is delusional. I just find some twisted entertainment in that.
Thank you too!
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Was actually correct.
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)Marcuse
(7,506 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)She made the case beforehand that Judge Sullivan would be scrutinizing prosecutorial behavior and would bend over backwards toward the defense. That gave his decision and statements even more weight.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Her voice. Her voice. Her voice.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Shove the shards in both ears
That would be better than listening to that voice
doc03
(35,364 posts)saljr1
(273 posts)They will defend Trump even when he is in cuffs. Fox News better start facing reality or next year their top advertisers could be chia pet, the clapper and the floobie.
smb
(3,475 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)She called Sullivan a jurist unafraid of the swamp" - and apparently he's not.
What Pirro doesn't understand is that Trump & Co IS the swamp.
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... who the swamp dwellers are - there's plenty of swampitude to go around.
I'd include anyone who Spanky has appointed to anything - like his cabinet members, his "advisors", his lawyers, judges, ambassadors, etc. - ya know, everyone he's ever described as being "the best people".
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)yes agreed
malaise
(269,157 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)She sounds like a nutcase or a really hammy melodrama actor in the clip in the OP.
Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Surprised that their customary delusional cover-scenario hasnt been trotted out yet.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)A few sandwiches short of a picnic.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Of a load!
smb
(3,475 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Never forget that Fox News doesn't just promote disinformation, deception and lies; they work relentlessly to swing elections in an overt manner.
This is truly disgusting.
Marcuse
(7,506 posts)She says: Guilt or innocence is moot. We cannot have a President under constant criminal investigation. I agree.
Dread Pirate Roberts
(1,896 posts)Just ask her husband. Oh, I think she may have had a hand in violating tax laws too, but hey, who among us hasn't violated a criminal statute or two? In case you weren't aware of her background...
A federal jury today convicted Albert J. Pirro Jr., the influential Republican businessman and husband of Jeanine F. Pirro, the Westchester County district attorney, of conspiracy and tax evasion, imperiling his business career and perhaps her political one.
For Mr. Pirro, 53, the verdict, if upheld, could derail his career as Westchester's most powerful real estate development lawyer and one of New York State's most prodigious Republican fund-raisers.
For Mrs. Pirro, 49, who could have been a strong contender for the Republican nomination for the United States Senate this year were it not for her husband's legal woes, the verdict jeopardizes her immediate prospects for higher office. And for Anthony G. Pirro, Albert Pirro's brother and accountant, who was also convicted today on similar charges, the result transforms an anonymous middle-class life into one inextricably linked to a messy public scandal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/23/nyregion/federal-jury-convicts-pirro-on-all-tax-fraud-charges.html
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Those tax returns. She is as guilty as he is.
smb
(3,475 posts)Well, she sure got that part right!
Zambero
(8,965 posts)Nice. Score one for truth.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Flynn was not set up. He was charged for committing serious crimes. And he is probably going to escape prison because the crimes committed by the people he worked with and for are even more serious.
whopis01
(3,523 posts)a jurist unafraid of the swamp, a judge who has a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct, a man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power."
Pretty much sounds to me like the judge was unafraid of the swamp (Trump), called out all of the prosecutorial misconduct that he saw (none), and did not tolerate injustice or abuse of power (by Flynn).
Granted, she was correct in the same way a broken clock is correct.
malaise
(269,157 posts)She expected him to overthrow the charges. I'm betting she or Hannity booked him for one or both program last night. :rol:
whopis01
(3,523 posts)samnsara
(17,635 posts)#walkofshame
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)Guessing there are some words beginning with a "c" that are not tolerated, even when they were created specifically with her in mind!