Why the hell should an illegit criminal for pres SCOTUS appointments be allowed to stay?

[RiverStone]

I know, there is not a constitutional amendment to deal with this. Yet once the commander in thief goes down on multiple felony charges, there has to be restitution to America.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh should never have been put on the SCOTUS, because tRump committed crimes to win the electoral college. If either had courage or integrity, they would step down. Yea right...fat chance eh?

Just saying...

[BigmanPigman]

1. Everything since he was not legitimately elected should

be "null and void". Actually the election should be a do-over for the House and Senate too since people vote down ballot and many of them are also guilty of crimes.

[RiverStone]

3. The best chance we have is President Pelosi...a huge long shot at that

She will be 3rd in line as Speaker if tRump and pEnce are impeached.

I'd love a do-over tho!

[BigmanPigman]

9. Jill Wine-banks said she heard Pence will be indicted soon.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211524416

[manor321]

2. They can only be removed through impeachment

This is why it was important to vote for Clinton in November, 2016. This is why it was important to stop fighting the primary when the primary was over. This is why it was important to not demonstrate against the winner of the primary at the Democratic convention.

This is why it was important to not vote for the Green party.

etc.

[triron]

4. Disagree with your premise. This is unprecedented.

Something radical needs to be done.

[rwsanders]

6. Exactly, folks act like all of a sudden the repugs are going to start playing by the rules.

Some of that discussion reminds me of the old movies where the geeky hero tries to fight the bullies with Marquis de Queensbury boxing rules.

[elocs]

11. "Something radical needs to be done." No matter what Trump has done,

we are still a nation of laws and are guided first and foremost by the Constitution. Nobody can do anything radical without it.

[Generic Brad]

24. Something radical was done

The things manor321 listed contributed to the unthinkable becoming this horrible reality we find ourselves in.

[rwsanders]

7. Funny that reports outside of the corporate owned media claim that 72% of democratic voters prefer

a more progressive agenda.
Maybe it's important to stop betting on the wrong horse.

[treestar]

29. then they should have voted in the primaries

FFS!

[rwsanders]

30. Cause we all know those are fair!

[elocs]

12. Exactly! How many on the Left in WI, MI, & PA could have voted in 2016

but either chose not to vote or voted for a 3rd party? Here in WI, Jill Stein received more votes than Trump's margin of victory.
A good question is how did those on the Left in battleground states who chose not to vote or voted for a 3rd party help Hillary Clinton to win?
They didn't, but you'd be hard pressed to find any of them own up to what they did then today.

[ffr]

5. As a Russian asset, compromised and beholden to them, not to the American people

Where is Paul Ryan on this? Start the congressional hearings! The American people have a right to know.

FUCKING TRAITOR!

[Brawndo]

8. Two solutions

to this problem. Either impeachment of current justices or "packing the court" once Democrats control both the Executive and Legislative branches. Expanding the number of justices should be our final answer to smirking turtle McConnell. Revenge served ice cold.

[Texin]

10. I can't understand why the U.S. Constitution didn't have a contingency for this.

I don't believe that during their creation they could foresee a situation that an actual mobster would ever be allowed to rise to that position. Oh yes, certainly the created the emoluments clause and they allowed for impeachable offenses, but I don't believe they actually foresaw the possibility of a hostile foreign nation being able to tamper with the voting mechanisms here and therefore facilitate a foreign asset being seated as the head for the government. There should have been a clause that provided a method to vacate the election* and nullify all that was enacted by the President* during his time in office. Every appointment, every Executive* Order, all of it should be declared null and void, a new election should be immediately called. The Vice President* should not be allowed to occupy the Presidency*, nor should any person who was ushered into any substantive position of authority be allowed to continue their functions. And, of course, this means the office of the Attorney General and both of the SCOTUS picks. All of it should be wiped away like former pharaohs reduced monuments of former pharaohs to piles of crumbling dust in the desert sands.

[MineralMan]

16. It does. Justices can be removed by the Senate after impeachment in the House.

It's all in there. But, you do have to understand the Constitution to know that. I recommend reading it.

[Texin]

27. I have read it. What I was referring to was the scenario we currently in Congress

and the presidency. The rethugs are all in bed with this situation and when the rubber meets the road for them, they all vote with him in lockstep. Therefore, there is no constitutional remedy for this situation. It appears that the majority if not all of the rethugs received significant campaign financing from monies laundered by the NRA with direct ties to Putin, i.e., Russian kleptocrats. They will not break from him because they're just as guilty as he is (and some more than he is!). The framers of the Constitution did understand that there was a significant divide between the British loyalists and the American patriots within the various colonies that probably would persist after the Declaration of Independence and the institution of the Constitution and into the federal era. I just don't believe they actually believed that one entire representative party would have actually been co-opted by a hostile country purely on the basis of satisfying their avarice.

[RiverStone]

19. Agreed! Perhaps folks on The Hill can move towards establishing...

A Constitutional Amendment to deal with it?

Desperate times call for desperate measures!!

[BSdetect]

13. He spoke with them before nominating them

No doubt the asked for their "loyalty".

Make them admit that under oath.

Then sack them. Impeach if you will.

[Buckeyeblue]

14. If 45 were to be removed with impeachment

I think there should be pressure on them to resign. Their tenure and legacy will be forever tarnished by who appointed them.

[MineralMan]

15. We Have a Constitution for a Very Simple Reason.

It provides a stable set of boundaries for our system of government. It can be changed, but the process is rightfully very difficult. If it were easy to ignore parts of that document based on some event or circumstance, it would be useless and have no weight at all.

The process of appointing SCOTUS justices is clearly defined in the Constitution, and the lifetime term of that office is there to provide stability over time. Every justice must be approved of by the Senate, which is required to provide some semblance of balance.

Suggestions that the framework of the Constitution is optional at the whim of a particular set of circumstances are very dangerous to our system of government. If the Constitution is not the solid foundation of that system, there is no foundation at all.

There is a mechanism for removing SCOTUS justices. That is also written into the Constitution. Impeachment and removal by the House and Senate, respectively, is that mechanism. It is the only way that can be done, within our founding framework.

Just saying...

[RiverStone]

18. Good Constitutional perspective, tho a question:

If said SCOTUS appointees are proven to have been nominated and Senate approved by a criminal and treasonous president who cheated to win, do you believe that is grounds for impeachment?

I say yes! Otherwise, the true will of We The People will be ignored for 20-30 years.

The alternative is they get lifetime privileges to serve on the Court? This is not a remedy.

[MineralMan]

20. The grounds for impeachment are decide in the House.

Federal judges serve "during good behavior." What does that mean? It means whatever Congress thinks it means. Read the Constitution. All of your questions are answered there.

[Jim Lane]

21. Wake me up when you see a path to 67 votes in the Senate.

That's 67 votes for removing Trump or Pence or Gorsuch or Kavanaugh.

Bear in mind that the Constitution enshrines the malapportionment of the Senate. The population disparities today are greater than they were in 1787, but it's still equal representation by state, in a clause that can't be removed even by an amendment ratified by three-fourths of the states.

[joshdawg]

23. Exactly right!

Even tho' a few republicans bad mouth trump and his policies, there will not be any who will vote to convict him. They will all put party and trump over people. Never doubt it.
As long as republicans are in power in the Senate, trump will remain in office............at least until 2020.
mcturtle needs to go away first and foremost.
JMHO

[Jim Lane]

25. Yes, "They will all put party and Trump over people." There's only one ray of hope....

They will all put self-interest over party and Trump. If it gets to the point where enough of them conclude that the only way to save their own necks is to a vote to remove the officer in question (Trump or anyone else), then they'll do it.

Will a Mueller report produce that result? I doubt it. The evidence that's come out so far has prompted nothing more than mild expressions of concern. The only realistic prospect -- still unlikely, but not impossible -- is that Trump's mental faculties decline further, to the point where some Republicans get to worrying that he'll do something not merely stupid, not merely criminal, but catastrophic.

Barring that, i agree with you. Trump will remain in office. It's not even impossible that he'll get a second term.

[Texin]

26. It would be fabulous if Mueller has the goods on no-neck and confronts him with a subpoena.

[BadgerMom]

17. I heartily agree.

I recognize this is tilting at windmills, but it would be the just response.

[scarytomcat]

22. yes all court appointments and laws he signed should be void

his Presidency should be wiped out if he cheated to take the White house which he did
he deserves no legacy

[dlk]

28. Robert Reich Had a Good Idea When He Wrote About a Presidential Annulment

Given Trump's presidency is illegitimate, so are all of his appointments.