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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:27 PM Dec 2018

Trump's emoluments headache is poised to get a whole lot worse

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-emoluments-headache-poised-get-whole-lot-worse?cid=sm_fb_maddow&fbclid=IwAR0-vPYmRC_VUGQQlPKiM9NUjDAvD3x9L0tE8xt-fdJMwD5Li3EKVU4VDSw

Trump’s emoluments headache is poised to get a whole lot worse
12/04/18 08:40 AM
By Steve Benen


The U.S. Constitution includes a once-obscure provision known as the “Emoluments Clause.” As regular readers know, the law is pretty straightforward: U.S. officials are prohibited from receiving payments from foreign governments. Traditionally, this hasn’t been much of a problem for sitting American presidents – but with Donald Trump things are a little different.

After all, this president has refused to divest from his private-sector enterprises, which means he continues to personally profit from businesses that receive payments from foreign governments.

The problem isn’t theoretical: Saudi Arabia, for example, spent roughly $270,000 at Trump’s Washington hotel during one of the country’s lobbying campaigns last year. Some of that money directly benefited the president.

This legally dubious dynamic has been the target of multiple lawsuits, one of which is poised to become even more interesting. The Associated Press reported late yesterday:

The attorneys general of the District of Columbia and Maryland said Monday that they are moving forward with subpoenas for records in their case accusing President Donald Trump of profiting off the presidency.

U.S. District Court Judge Peter J. Messitte approved the legal discovery schedule in an order Monday. Such information would likely provide the first clear picture of the finances of Trump’s Washington, D.C., hotel
.


When the attorneys general of Maryland and D.C. filed suit, they had to clear some hurdles that could’ve scuttled their case. For example, a judge had to agree they had the necessary standing to even file the case, and they cleared that hurdle in March.

The plaintiffs then had to prove that the Emoluments Clause applied to this kind of presidential private-sector venture. The judge sided in their favor on this, too.

And now, as part of the discovery process, the plaintiffs want to “interview Trump Organization employees and search company records to determine which foreign countries have spent money at Trump’s hotel in downtown Washington.”

Whether that’ll happen, however, is still the subject of some controversy.

In theory, the discovery phase should begin soon and last for months, but the Trump administration is scrambling to block the process from continuing. The Associated Press report added:

Trump’s Justice Department lawyers filed a notice to the court Friday that appeared to challenge the Maryland judge’s decision to allow the case to move forward. The president’s notice that he may seek a writ of mandamus – to have the appeal heard by a higher court – is considered an “extraordinary remedy” that’s hard to prove and partly rests on showing Messitte’s decisions to be clearly wrong.


Watch this space.
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Trump's emoluments headache is poised to get a whole lot worse (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2018 OP
Good malaise Dec 2018 #1
Just staying there and spending money there isn't what is going to nail them... cbdo2007 Dec 2018 #2
Yes. Surely there is more to this than just hotel stays. nt Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #9
The plaintiffs on the lawsuit are DC hotels FakeNoose Dec 2018 #18
Why are Justice Department attorney's ... aggiesal Dec 2018 #3
Since when ... TwistOneUp Dec 2018 #7
It would be interesting to see which legal firms would represent him if he were erronis Dec 2018 #10
Good luck with that. As I read somewhere, no emoluments case has ever won in court. ancianita Dec 2018 #4
Luck is irrelevant. No case with this weight has yet been brought before the court... LanternWaste Dec 2018 #5
I seriously hope it works to set a legal precedent. ancianita Dec 2018 #6
What are examples of emoluments cases Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #11
none Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #14
None. ancianita Dec 2018 #17
Oh ok. Read your post as saying no case had won Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #19
Sorry if I muddied that up. I hope I made up for it, though. ancianita Dec 2018 #21
:) Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #22
Why Are Taxpayers On The Hook DallasNE Dec 2018 #8
I agree. I think I mis-posted Reply#3 erronis Dec 2018 #12
I wish only Migraines for him. spanone Dec 2018 #13
cue Beer Kavanaughty Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #15
K&R. calimary Dec 2018 #16
The Emoluments Clause is a "once obscure provision"? Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #20

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
2. Just staying there and spending money there isn't what is going to nail them...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:50 PM
Dec 2018

it is if:

1. they spent more money there than they would have spent at similar properties nearby, like if they are paying 500% what other hotels in the area are charging, or there are other strange payments.

2. if the Trump administration told them to stay there as their only option

So hopefully them seeing the hotel records will answer question 1 but they will probably need to subpoena white house records/emails for question 2

FakeNoose

(32,703 posts)
18. The plaintiffs on the lawsuit are DC hotels
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:02 PM
Dec 2018


However that case was heard in a local court, and I think this might have gone federal now.

aggiesal

(8,921 posts)
3. Why are Justice Department attorney's ...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:53 PM
Dec 2018

involved in a private matter?

IQ45 should be paying his defense out of his pocket, not ours!

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
7. Since when ...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:13 PM
Dec 2018

Has Cheetolini ever paid for anything?

He stiffs everyone. Even in legal settlements, he has his attorneys do his bag work.

He's a deadbeat. He had a big gambling client nicknamed The Whale. The Whale wanted to leave. Cheetolini gave him a check for $5000 and told him to go into Atlantic City and spend it and have fun. No one in town would cash the check.

erronis

(15,323 posts)
10. It would be interesting to see which legal firms would represent him if he were
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:38 PM
Dec 2018

paying out of his own pocket.

I suppose the Turnip Organization could throw in some of their charitable donations. And the Putinesquas, Kochs, Mercers could do a GoFund.me.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
5. Luck is irrelevant. No case with this weight has yet been brought before the court...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:00 PM
Dec 2018

in regards to profiting from office.

ancianita

(36,129 posts)
17. None.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:57 PM
Dec 2018
No sitting president has ever been sued under the emoluments clause before. The challenges to President Trump are new issues for the courts.


http://www.crf-usa.org/images/pdf/TheEmolumentsClause.pdf

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
8. Why Are Taxpayers On The Hook
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:34 PM
Dec 2018

Defending a Trump enterprise? Should it not be corporate lawyers? It just seems like another emolument for government lawyers to be representing Trump assets.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
20. The Emoluments Clause is a "once obscure provision"?
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:26 PM
Dec 2018

It's spelled out in black and white in the fucking document, for crying out loud!

Our Constitution is not that long. It's one of the shortest constitutions of any country in the world.

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