The Sanders Institute International Panel somehow failed to include

[pnwmom]

any people of color, according to some tweeters. Is this true?

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m. mendoza ferrer
@mgranville1
· Nov 30, 2018
Replying to @mgranville1
Bernie in this clip shows you that he learned nothing g from 2016. He talks about breaking down silos in the progressive movement - with not one person of color represented on the panel.

m. mendoza ferrer
@mgranville1
Bernie continues to say that all coalitions must work to understand the pain and suffering in rural (ie “white”) America - that it’s something Dems don’t understand and why Trump elected. No mention of racism. Or discrimination of any kind.

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[dlk]

1. Is Anyone Really Surprised?

[ProudLib72]

2. What do you mean? There was a woman with purple hair, and that counts!

[Merlot]

3. Does anyone really care?

We don't know anything about this panel, where it was and who comprises it and why.

[CentralMass]

4. Here is the list of attendees at the gathering..

https://sandersinstitutegathering.org/speakers/

[melman]

6. Wow

I wonder if the OP will edit and or delete their OP now that they've been shown those tweets are total bullshit.

[Power 2 the People]

23. Of course not

I think we're all used to misguided Bernie hit pieces by now.

[melman]

24. I like how they threw in the "is this true?"

Because it's obviously impossible to check if things are true before posting.

[guillaumeb]

38. And so many of them. eom

[pnwmom]

26. No. The PANEL is a subset of the attendees. People of color

were objecting to not being included on the panel.

[yardwork]

29. I think that you misread the OP.

The OP is about the panel, not the participants.

[melman]

30. I didn't

But thanks anyway.

[yardwork]

32. Then I don't see why you have a problem with the OP.

[sheshe2]

57. Nor do I.

[sheshe2]

58. Pretty sure there is a huge difference between advertised speakers...

and attendees on the panels.

[violetpastille]

7. Thank you.

What has Susan Sarandon got to say about Civil Rights, Human Dignity and Immigration I wonder?

(Not really)

[Power 2 the People]

22. Sure looks diverse to me.

[pnwmom]

27. Where is your list of PANEL MEMBERS, not general attendees? n/t

[guillaumeb]

37. An excellent addition. eom

[jmowreader]

5. Trump doesn't understand the "pain and suffering" either

It does absolutely no good to tell people you're going to "bring an industry back" when no one wants what they make. (Imagine Trump in 1910, two years after the introduction of the Model T Ford: "We're going to bring horseshoes back!&quot

[Control-Z]

8. I just started hearing about this "Sanders Institute"

over the past month or so. It used to be "Our Revolution", right? Are they one and the same? Or two different things?

[Cha]

9. I know cenk, sarandon, and cornel west were there..

Liars about the Dem Party.. & SS & west encouraged others to vote for stein.

Link to tweet

[Jim Lane]

54. So the event should have diversity... but anyone who supported Stein is permanently blacklisted.

Just to be clear, I voted for Hillary Clinton in the general election. In fact, I've never voted for any Green Party candidate for any office in my life.

But in a thread that's attacking Bernie over an alleged lack of diversity, it does some odd to see an attack on Cornel West's participation. I didn't agree with West and Sarandon and others who supported Stein. The difference is that I don't judge an event by whether it rigorously excludes anyone who might disagree with me.

[sheshe2]

56. This is in fact DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

We do not support third party voters. West and Sarandon did.

[betsuni]

59. Why shouldn't Bernie's feet be held to the fire about perceived weaknesses?

If he runs for president or supports those running for president, his connections with third party supporters like West and Sarandon hurts him because anyone who thinks Democrats are worse than Republicans is nutty. This criticism can only help Sanders be a stronger candidate and more likable.

[Jim Lane]

61. The same applies to DU posters

Bernie is willing to reach out to people who didn't vote for Clinton. You see that as a weakness. I see it as a strength.

Obviously, there are some Green Party diehards. I don't think Jill Stein herself, for example, will do anything in 2020 other than support the Green candidate, be it herself or someone else. But that doesn't mean that we should write off more than a million people who voted for her in 2016. Many of them can be won over. Trump is working hard on convincing them that, as those of us on this board already knew, Republicans are much worse than Democrats.

George W. Bush performed the same service. The result was that, from 2000 to 2004, Nader's vote plummeted. His own running mate from 2000, Winona LaDuke, endorsed Kerry in 2004. We can hope for similar repentance among many Stein voters. Ostracizing and vilifying them, however, is not the strategy that will maximize the Democratic vote in 2020.

[betsuni]

62. People who didn't vote for Clinton will never vote for a Democrat.

Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton, a bland bleeding heart liberal lawyer, is the same as a Republican is a fucking idiot.

[Jim Lane]

63. History refutes your unsubstantiated claim.

You don't even deign to address the closest historical parallel. In the 2000 election, there was some complacency on the left after eight years of a Democrat in the White House. The Green Party candidate was therefore able to appeal to many a "fucking idiot" by dismissing the differences between Democrats and Republicans.

The same thing happened in 2016.

So what happened in the next election? In 2004, a Republican had been in office for four years. His performance in office made it much more obvious than it had been that there was an enormous human cost to Republican electoral success. The result was that the vote for no-hopers on the left plummeted. (Nader ran as an independent. Even if we combine his votes with those cast for the Green Party candidate, David Cobb, their total was far below what Nader had pulled in 2000. Nader plus Cobb drew 0.48% of the popular vote in 2004, compared to Nader's 2.74% in 2000.)

Of the 1.5 million people who voted for Stein in 2016, there are surely many who, like most of the Nader 2000 voters, can be won over. Or do you think that the fucking idiots of 2016 are somehow more idiotic than the fucking idiots of 2000?

And, by the way, is Winona LaDuke a fucking idiot?

[Autumn]

10. The International panel was a Former Greek Minister, a Mayor of Barcelona, a Canadian House of

Commons member, and Ireland’s leading economic commentator, I gather International means people from other countries along with Bernie and some white American Economist. The speakers at the Gathering who are POC includes Carmen Cruz, Shaun King, Nina Turner, Micheael Tubbs, Radhika Balakrishnan, Dr. Cornel West, Danny Glover, Chirlane McCray, and Joseph Geevarghese and some white people.

Bernie really needs to get off everybody's fucking lawn.

The last sentence is pure sarcasm.

[CentralMass]

11. I missed your sarcasm tag. I think my reply is redundent.

Note there were numerous U.S. based attendees in that list with international experience in their jobs/roles in attendence as well.


https://sandersinstitutegathering.org/speakers/

Carmen Yulin Cruz
Mayor, San Juan Puerto Rico; Fellow, The Sanders Institute

Yanis Varoufakis
Economist & Former Greek Minister of Finance; Fellow, The Sanders Institute

Ada Colau
Mayor, Barcelona

Niki Ashton
Member of the Canadian House of Commons

Dr. Radhika Balakrishnan
UN Development Program & Global Advisory Council

James Zogby
Founder & President, Arab American Institute; Fellow, The Sanders Institutr


Dr. Hosnieh Djafari Marbini
Anaesthetist at Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust

"Hosnieh Djafari-Marbini is a Labour City Councillor, ethnic minority officer for her Constituency Labour Party, and a trade union branch Political Officer. Hosnieh campaigns on the NHS, inequalities and refugee rights. Hosnieh’s fifteen-year career in the NHS, and low-income countries has been heavily focused on communication, partnership-working and education. This has included initiating and organizing education series for many institutions including University of Oxford and Malawi School of Anaesthesia, and strategic planning with the Oxford University Global Surgery group and Asylum Welcome.
The ward Hosnieh represents is one of the most deprived in her city of Oxford. This together with her own background of having arrived in the UK aged thirteen with almost no English as the daughter of a refugee, have driven her to help deliver social justice and a greater platform for effective change by marginalized groups in UK society."

David McWilliams
Economist, Broadcaster & Journalist; Fellow, The Sanders Institute

Jo Beardsmore
Co-Founder, UK Uncut; Senior Advisor at the Social Practice

[Autumn]

12. Looks like some good speakers. I just listed the International round table.

The "bad" outweigh the "good" I guess.

[CentralMass]

13. Apparently.

[Autumn]

16. You know the old saying.

Not good enough Bernie.

[CentralMass]

18. Yes and again my apolgies. I read your post too quickly and though you were indicating that

The only international member on the panel was Yanis Varoufakis.

Thank you for posting it.

[Autumn]

19. Did you know the buzz now is Sarandon's panel is "Hillary is was Dangerous as Trump" ?

of course it's being passed around as fact. Tom Watson knows who he's playing to. Almost Trumpian.

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[yardwork]

31. Isn't that what Sarandon said throughout 2015 and 2016?

[Autumn]

34. You're fine with a lie making the rounds as fact as long as it's about her and Bernie's Gathering?

[yardwork]

36. What?!

[Hortensis]

40. Whatever. Bernie Sanders should not be associated with

some of these people. Not if he wants to be considered a candidate by at least some serious Democrats, rather than competing with the Jill Steins for the kind who think Cornel West and Sarandon are voices of wisdom.

This is Mrs. Sanders' organization, though. I do notice several far more respectable names made the list after the initial wingnutty set was publicized. I'm guessing Bernie might have taken action to make that happen.

[Autumn]

41. He isn't associated with this. It a shitty meme people are pushing as real.

[OilemFirchen]

43. Who is the impostor in the videos? (n/t)

[Autumn]

46. What video? Are you trying to say she was actually allowed to go there at the Gathering?

Link it.

[OilemFirchen]

49. Didn't realize you had winnowed this down to the Sarandon joke.

Whatever. Are you saying he's not associated with Sarandon's inclusion among the speakers?

Prove it.

[Autumn]

50. I don't have to prove shit about what I didn't say. But whatever.

You're the one responding about some video of her panel talk being "Hillary was as Dangerous as Trump" so... Prove that.

[Hortensis]

44. Okay. I just looked and didn't find a recent Sarandon quote

that Hillary would have been more dangerous than Trump, just the one in 2017. And the attendee list if far more worthy of associating with now than initially published.

[Autumn]

45. It's a phony meme posted by Tom Watson and people are taking it as gospel.

[Me.]

48. It's Probably Being Believed

because it 'feels' true. JUst as so many Onion stories do these days.

[JI7]

51. and the fact she HAS AND DID say Hillary was worse than trump

[Me.]

53. Quite

it's not a stretch

[pnwmom]

28. Thank you for clarifying, Autumn. nt

[Autumn]

33. I look forward to Sarandon's panel since Tom Watson claims her panel is going to be

"Hillary was as Dangerous as Trump." Watson knows who he's playing to since that stupid meme is now making the rounds as a fact.

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[pnwmom]

35. It's too bad she ever said that. It will stick with her forever,

along with her treatment of Dolores Huerta at the Nevada convention.

[Autumn]

42. Yes it will and rightly so, but there is no need to spread lies. Democrats are better than that.

At least I thought so.

[Hortensis]

52. I agree with that. Let's see what her panel topic

turns out to be. From the Guardian last November 2017:

Did she really say that Hillary was more dangerous than Trump?

“Not exactly, but I don’t mind that quote,” she says. “I did think she was very, very dangerous. We would still be fracking, we would be at war [if she was president]. It wouldn’t be much smoother. Look what happened under Obama that we didn’t notice.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/26/susan-sarandon-i-thought-hillary-was-very-dangerous-if-shed-won-wed-be-at-war

She still was standing on her original anti-Democrats position after a year of Trump. So we'll see if a year after that she defends that ground again or avoids it and sticks with issues that need addressing.

[Cha]

14. Josh Marshall on BS..

Link to tweet

[melman]

15. Wow

Had a look a that 'm. mendoza ferrer' account and it is...uh..interesting.

[Autumn]

17. Interesting doesn't begin to cover 'm. mendoza ferre.

[progressoid]

21. Indeed. She really needs another hobby.

[Cha]

20. "..it's crystal clear it was programmed with the idea Democrats would blow the midterms."

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[Gothmog]

25. I am not surprised by this

[Devil Child]

39. All-aboard! Last call for the anti-Sanders train!

[Jim Lane]

55. If only. (n/t)

[Me.]

47. THey Had Better Things To Do

More races to win

[disillusioned73]

60. Try harder.. you guys are soo transperant..

This, HE IS A RACIST gambit isn't working..