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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:05 AM Dec 2018

CNN Lets 'Food Babe' Spout Pseudoscience on Lettuce Outbreak



The Food and Drug Administration’s urgent warning about a romaine lettuce E. coli outbreak left many Americans wondering how the problem spread so quickly and what they could do to protect themselves.

Unfortunately, viewers who tuned into a Sunday CNN segment on the crisis—which featured a blogger who bills herself as Food Babe, instead of a scientist or doctor—got the wrong answers.

Anchor Ana Cabrera kicked things off by describing self-appointed food investigator Vani Hari as someone who has “studied where our food comes from quite a bit” before asking how the outbreak happened. .

“[W]hat's the worst part of this situation is that we do not have a supply chain check-and-balance in place,” Hari said. “Once your romaine is grown and harvested, it has so many different touch points of contamination possible. You know, that romaine is taken to one factory to get washed. Then another factory to get banged, put into different bags of lettuce and then combined with other kinds of lettuce. And every single time it gets cut or washed it touches different machinery so there's so many different points of contamination that can happen. And if we don't know where our food is coming from, we can't really trust it.”


https://www.thedailybeast.com/cnn-lets-food-babe-spout-pseudoscience-on-lettuce-outbreak?ref=home
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CNN Lets 'Food Babe' Spout Pseudoscience on Lettuce Outbreak (Original Post) spanone Dec 2018 OP
My lettuce is banged? Cirque du So-What Dec 2018 #1
IKR? cwydro Dec 2018 #2
perhaps some prominent signage... LSFL Dec 2018 #4
That means you, CARROTS! UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #17
I thought the only vegetables that could be banged were cucumbers crazycatlady Dec 2018 #6
Don't knock it until you try it. Works for all genital variations. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #16
Now that's my kinda lettuce! I'll take a few heads. UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #18
Well, all the food scientists went to climate change jobs bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #3
Lettuce pray underpants Dec 2018 #5
If more good people had Romaine Lettuce...this tragedy could of been averted. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #19
Food Babe aka woo peddling idiot tymorial Dec 2018 #7
yep... spanone Dec 2018 #9
Actually, Roundup, which was originally patented as an antiobiotic, is used heavily on most crops womanofthehills Dec 2018 #11
What specifically did she say that was wrong? womanofthehills Dec 2018 #10
Did you trust her over Obama's FDA? She has been at this for a while and the woo is the same. tymorial Dec 2018 #12
Under Obama's FDA we had different people and some actual regulations womanofthehills Dec 2018 #15
All food is made up of chemical compounds tymorial Dec 2018 #20
A hot woman peddling pseudoscientific theories? What will they think of next? ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #8
Except this "hot women" has all the fast food restaurants in a "tizzy" - removing toxic ingredients womanofthehills Dec 2018 #13
All I read was Spanone's OP ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #21
Not seeing what was wrong about what she said. Marrah_Goodman Dec 2018 #14

LSFL

(1,109 posts)
4. perhaps some prominent signage...
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:29 AM
Dec 2018

"NO LETTUCE BANGING ALLOWED, YOU PRICKS!"

Ugh...the thought of ecoli being transmitted sexually is discomfitting.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
3. Well, all the food scientists went to climate change jobs
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:26 AM
Dec 2018

Due to the highly lucrative pay available in that field.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
7. Food Babe aka woo peddling idiot
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:42 AM
Dec 2018

She and all others like her are a menace to science and public health.

spanone

(135,844 posts)
9. yep...
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:51 AM
Dec 2018
Hari’s head vs. bag of lettuce analysis wasn’t the only thing that peeved bona fide food scientists. She also suggested that antibiotics were to blame for the outbreak.

“What's happening is the overuse of antibiotics is creating superbugs that can't be treated with antibiotics,” she told Cabrera.

But Laura Gieraltowski, who leads the Foodborne Outbreak Response team at the CDC that is investigating the romaine contamination, told The Daily Beast that’s not true. “This outbreak strain of E. coli does not appear to be resistant to antibiotics,” she said via email.

In fact, she said, antibiotics are not recommended for patients suffering from E. coli O157 infections, “as it might increase their risk of developing a type of kidney failure called hemolytic uremic syndrome.”

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
11. Actually, Roundup, which was originally patented as an antiobiotic, is used heavily on most crops
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:57 PM
Dec 2018

All the glyphosate sprayed on the soil, kills all the good bacteria in the soil and I'm sure this contributes to pathogens. Also, when processed in bags, cross contamination can make the whole problem worse according to WaPo article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/26/why-e-coli-keeps-getting-into-our-lettuce/?utm_term=.59dfdcf9b9b7

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
10. What specifically did she say that was wrong?
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:52 PM
Dec 2018

At this point i would trust her more than Trump's FDA. Thump's FDA has been lax in food regulations and in inspections. She is the opposite of a menace to public health as she has forced many fast food companies to get rid of toxic chemicals in their food.


Washington Post article saying the same thing as Food Babe about bagged lettuce

And food safety experts say convenience greens — those handy bags of pre-chopped and pre-washed salads — carry an extra risk because they come in contact with more people and machinery before they arrive on your plate.




Contamination can occur on the farm when birds make frequent flights overhead or low-lying fields flood with contaminated water. E. coli can also be spread by farmworkers who don’t wash their hands or via farm equipment that has manure on it.

Once the greens are picked, they move to a packaging plant, where they’re exposed to more workers and more equipment. Product from multiple farms is often bagged in the same facility, which further increases the odds of cross-contamination.

While packers frequently rinse lettuce with a chlorine wash to kill pathogens, studies have shown those sprays are only partly effective. The same is true of washing fruits and vegetables at home, Tauxe said, because pathogens “cling” to the surface of produce and can even enter the inside of a leaf or fruit after they've been cut open.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/26/why-e-coli-keeps-getting-into-our-lettuce/?utm_term=.59dfdcf9b9b7

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
12. Did you trust her over Obama's FDA? She has been at this for a while and the woo is the same.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 01:03 PM
Dec 2018

I am not going to waste my time arguing the validity of pseudoscientific nonsense. It's all rubbish.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
15. Under Obama's FDA we had different people and some actual regulations
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 01:19 PM
Dec 2018

and we actually had people checking that people were following regulations. Bye bye to all that under Trump. Trump vowed to undo what Obama had done - including food safety.

Since when did eating foods without chemicals become nonsense. When the government doesn't do it's job, maybe the women need to step in.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
20. All food is made up of chemical compounds
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 04:23 PM
Dec 2018

Water is a chemical compound. Everything is chemical. The use of chemical as a boogeyman to spread fear is contemptible. So too is the use of "natural" for marketing products. It is exploitation of fear pure and simple. Trumps idiocy has nothing to do with this. These arguments have been going on for years and "food babe" is just another person tapping into this particular brand of fearmongering. I realize nothing I wrote will sway your opinion so I wont bore you with the numerous materials debunking Vani Hari's lunacy. I will however never stop tailing against her and people like her. Woo harms lives. Eom.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
8. A hot woman peddling pseudoscientific theories? What will they think of next?
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:50 AM
Dec 2018

Evidently, they are taking cues from Faux Nooze now. "Can Tomi come on to talk about the lettuce issue?"

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
13. Except this "hot women" has all the fast food restaurants in a "tizzy" - removing toxic ingredients
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 01:12 PM
Dec 2018

Vani Hari sounds the alarm for changing the food industry - (below just 2 of many companies she got to use better ingredients). She is peddling eating fresh food - so you call that pseudoscience?

According to Hari, Chick-fil-A said at the time that it was impossible to go completely antibiotic-free with their chicken. But the company eventually changed its mind. In a February 2014 Chick-fil-A press release that made no mention of Hari, the company stated it would transition to serving antibiotic-free chicken within five years.


On another front, Hari's concern over Kraft using yellow dye numbers 5 and 6 prompted her to produce a video calling for people to sign a change.org petition. In her video, she spoke about research that shows these dyes are linked to hyperactivity in children, and she noted that Kraft had already reformulated their products for some markets overseas that prohibit yellow 5 and yellow 6. Her petition garnered over 365,000 signatures.

In late 2013, Kraft pledged to remove these dyes from their popular children's shaped macaroni and cheeses by 2014. And on April 20, 2015, the company announced plans to drop the dyes and artificial preservatives from its classic mac & cheese. "We finally did it!" Hari proclaimed on her blog.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vani-hari-food-babe-sounds-the-alarm-for-change-in-the-food-industry/

Steven Gorski contradicts what she says at the end of the article but, we all know by now, that Gorski is a Monsanto shrill.

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