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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 04:32 AM Dec 2018

I will never forgive Poppy Bush for the disrespect he showed Geraldine Ferraro in their VP debate

That really stuck in my craw. It's still the first thing that comes to mind for me when his name is mentioned.

Near the end of the debate, he looked dismissively at her and said "can't we talk about baseball or something?"

A real low point.

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I will never forgive Poppy Bush for the disrespect he showed Geraldine Ferraro in their VP debate (Original Post) stopbush Dec 2018 OP
The debate KWR65 Dec 2018 #1
Were the polls ever close in that race? sobenji Dec 2018 #27
Also....thanks for sharing sobenji Dec 2018 #28
The deification is on in full force, so better strap in. Given the obvious contrast to Trump, hlthe2b Dec 2018 #2
Thinking the same thing... PCIntern Dec 2018 #3
Yep, I was waiting to see if people went full McCain on this one bitterross Dec 2018 #4
I look at it as decorum... Dennis Donovan Dec 2018 #5
Tell it to someone who doesn't. I find your comment to me unwarranted & inappropriate. hlthe2b Dec 2018 #7
This is an open message board and I commented on your post. Dennis Donovan Dec 2018 #8
There are many who do not want to hear from you unless you agree with them elocs Dec 2018 #13
Not at all. My point made well by Preet Bharara which does not accuse others of anything. hlthe2b Dec 2018 #17
I agree. cwydro Dec 2018 #14
You seem to have a criticism of me hlthe2b Dec 2018 #16
Yes, never forgiving is the way to go. elocs Dec 2018 #6
Yawn. stopbush Dec 2018 #11
How much and telling is that of you. n/t elocs Dec 2018 #12
Indeed. cwydro Dec 2018 #15
Very telling, and thank the stars for that. stopbush Dec 2018 #18
I watched that debate riverwalker Dec 2018 #9
And I will never forgive Geraldine Ferraro and her nasty-ass comments about Obama BumRushDaShow Dec 2018 #10
Yes, I remember that. cwydro Dec 2018 #20
Anyone who is willing to dismiss their REAL oppressor - the white male BumRushDaShow Dec 2018 #21
Interesting study Raine Dec 2018 #24
You are welcome. BumRushDaShow Dec 2018 #25
Bush after debate "I think we did kick a little ass ... GreatCaesarsGhost Dec 2018 #19
Well, he was still assaulting women from his wheelchair a few years ago. Coventina Dec 2018 #22
I find it truly bizarre that people seem to be ok with him now just because he didn't like Trump. nt m-lekktor Dec 2018 #23
A low point in the career of a low man. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #26
I will never forgive him for raising a son who turned out to be a war criminal. nt Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #29

sobenji

(316 posts)
27. Were the polls ever close in that race?
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:30 PM
Dec 2018

I obviously know it was a landslide but she mentioned at the end of that that the campaign was not over. Almost like admitting defeat.
Just curious

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
2. The deification is on in full force, so better strap in. Given the obvious contrast to Trump,
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:08 AM
Dec 2018

Last edited Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:03 AM - Edit history (2)

there will be no holds barred in emphasizing all the positive and none of what you remember.

From the standpoint of making the utterly incompetent and unfit Trump apparent to all--even his supporters, I admittedly welcome that. But, for those of us with strong memories of Bush 1's failings, it will still be hard to take. Better strap in.

PCIntern

(25,556 posts)
3. Thinking the same thing...
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:17 AM
Dec 2018

I was fortunate enough to meet her that night following the debate here in Philly. We were living in a fantasy land in those days and actually thought we had a chance...

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
4. Yep, I was waiting to see if people went full McCain on this one
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:52 AM
Dec 2018

The slathering praise for McCain, a Republican who was not that great when it comes to sharing the values of the Democrats, was over the top. In my personal opinion. Just waiting to see if Poppy Bush, who spawned Jeb and W gets the same treatment.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
5. I look at it as decorum...
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:18 AM
Dec 2018

Decorum is one of the biggest casualties in the Trump era. Let's try to restore some today.

elocs

(22,582 posts)
13. There are many who do not want to hear from you unless you agree with them
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:18 AM
Dec 2018

and if you don't they will find your comment unwarranted and inappropriate.

Also, the choir does not like it when you don't exactly sing along with them.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
17. Not at all. My point made well by Preet Bharara which does not accuse others of anything.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:40 AM
Dec 2018



Perhaps you could take a lesson as well.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
16. You seem to have a criticism of me
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:24 AM
Dec 2018

so spell it out. I have done nothing to deserve your accusations, but since you've made one, be explicit.

I merely commented on a natural phenomenon that occurs when a leader, President, celebrity dies.

Preet makes my point nicely:


elocs

(22,582 posts)
6. Yes, never forgiving is the way to go.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:29 AM
Dec 2018

Except that never forgiving never hurts the object of our unforgiveness one bit,
but how does it help us and make our lives better?
And those who nurture their unforgiveness as if it is precious to them often have a long list of those they refuse to never forgive. How sad that is.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
18. Very telling, and thank the stars for that.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:30 PM
Dec 2018

Let us know when you start forgiving tRump for his shit.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
9. I watched that debate
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:52 AM
Dec 2018

And was so excited, because I felt she won and was superior to him. Then the pundits all weighed in and I was so disappointed. The bar was higher for her than him, it was so unfair. I thought they’ll never allow a woman in the White House. Not much has changed. ☹️

BumRushDaShow

(129,103 posts)
10. And I will never forgive Geraldine Ferraro and her nasty-ass comments about Obama
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:59 AM
Dec 2018
"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," Ferraro told a local California newspaper last week.

"And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," Ferraro said.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4428719&page=1


And then she doubled-down on it.

Sorry but it goes all sorts of ways here.

BumRushDaShow

(129,103 posts)
21. Anyone who is willing to dismiss their REAL oppressor - the white male
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:23 PM
Dec 2018

and instead pivot to attack and blame a black man, who had everything going against him yet graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School... and then double down on his skin color being the only reason why he succeeded, is the type of bullshit that many of us are sick and fucking tired of.

Her comments were racist which makes her one.

Yesterday, I saw an article in the Washington Post with the results of a recent study -

White liberals dumb themselves down when they speak to black people, a new study contends

By Isaac Stanley-Becker
November 30

You have recently joined a book club. Before each meeting, one member of the literary collective sends an email to the club secretary offering a few thoughts on the assigned text. This month, it’s your turn to compose the brief review.

A new study suggests that the words you use may depend on whether the club secretary’s name is Emily (“a stereotypically White name,” as the study says) or Lakisha (“a stereotypically Black name”). If you’re a white liberal writing to Emily, you might use words like “melancholy” or “euphoric” to describe the mood of the book, whereas you might trade these terms out for the simpler “sad” or “happy” if you’re corresponding with Lakisha. But if you’re a white conservative, your diction won’t depend on the presumed race of your interlocutor.

This racial and political disparity is among the discoveries made by a pair of social psychologists in a paper forthcoming in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, a peer-reviewed scientific journal published by the American Psychological Association. Cydney Dupree, an assistant professor of organizational behavior at the Yale School of Management, and Susan Fiske, a professor of psychology and public affairs at Princeton, documented what they call a “competence downshift” exhibited by white liberals in interactions with racial minorities, and with black people in particular.

The findings, based on what the authors stress is “preliminary evidence,” raise difficult questions about aspirations for a so-called post-racial society. The results reveal how subtle forms of discrimination may coincide with progress toward equal treatment, or what the paper identifies as “a significant reduction in the expression of explicit prejudice and endorsement of negative stereotypes.” The psychologists further discovered that white liberals rarely admit to the goal of appearing less competent, a fact that highlights the role of implicit bias and “the covert nature of the competence downshift strategy.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/white-liberals-dumb-themselves-down-when-they-speak-black-people-new-study-contends/?utm_term=.a908f884646f


The study was earlier reported here - https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans

and the actual report was put online here - https://psyarxiv.com/pv2ab/

Suffice it to say, I was going to post it but decided not to because I expected any discussion would need my participatory time and I have so many other things that I am trying to do. But it pretty much fits into some of Ferraro's problem and all it does is invoke Fannie Lou Hamer's exhortation in my mind, of "being sick and tired of being sick and tired". And I am sick and tired of the Ferraros and those like her, including the enumerable ones who call 911 on black folk because they are easy targets for her to exert her "power" against when her own "man" (father, husband, brother, son, uncle, nephew) marginalizes her, and she knows she will get her (white) "man's" support for doing so.

I voted for her and Mondale in 1984 but fuck her now (and I know she is no longer with us).

BumRushDaShow

(129,103 posts)
25. You are welcome.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:37 PM
Dec 2018

I think this initial study has opened up a number of avenues of future research too!!

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
22. Well, he was still assaulting women from his wheelchair a few years ago.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:23 PM
Dec 2018

The man was a misogynist prick.

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