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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsa suggested remedy for voter id problems:
could obama issue an executive order to set up a program to issue ids under some existing federal program and budget for, in practice, the sole purpose of issuing id to voters having trouble getting registered in uncooperative states?
i'm thinking, say, create a "volunteer member of the fbi" program where people get a special "volunteer g-man (or g-woman)" id, complete with photo and holograms and colored threads and whatever other crap these states are insisting on these days for voter registration.
the id entitled the "volunteer" to zero pay and zero privileges, and to avoid confusion doesn't even look like any other actual fbi id. or maybe they send all volunteers a newsletter once a year, something minimal if needed to make this program legit under existing federal law.
but it's technically a legitimate id issued by a government agency and would presumably qualify as valid even in uncooperative states.
is there any problem with this solution?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)While I think that Obama could exercise some power in creating a national ID, there's no way he could force the individual states to recognize it, and I think there would be a shitbus of resistance to it.
What I'd like to see is him going public with a little outrage levied against things like the PA voter ID ruling.
unblock
(52,313 posts)it's just a guess, i suppose they could have made the law so that it requires and id issued by that state and that state only.
but even if it were the case, giving these people a valid federal id would certainly help build the case in public opinion that these voter suppression laws are crap.
my though of running it through an existing program, such as the fbi, was so that he could do it via executive order, becase the republican house certainly wouldn't cooperate in getting any such thing into new legislation.
unblock
(52,313 posts)Ohio law requires that every voter, upon appearing at the polling place to vote on Election Day, to announce his or her full name and current address and provide proof of the voter's identity.
The forms of identification that may be used by a voter who appears at a polling place to vote on an Election Day include:
A current and valid photo identification card issued by the State of Ohio or the United States government; or
A military identification ("military ID" ; or
An original or copy of a current utility bill; or
An original or copy of a current bank statement; or
An original or copy of a current government check; or
An original or copy of a current paycheck; or
An original or copy of a current other government document, other than a voter registration acknowledgement notification mailed by the board of elections, that shows the voters name and current address.
http://www.padems.com/content/voteridinfo
What kind of IDs should I bring to the polls in November?
Starting on November 6, you must prove your identity by showing one of the following photo IDs issued by:
The United States government, e.g., a U.S. passport
The Commonwealth of PA, e.g., a drivers license (NOTE: An expired drivers license is okay as long as it is within 12 months after the expiration date)
A PA municipality (e.g., city, county, borough, incorporated town) to municipal employees
An accredited PA public or private institution of higher learning, e.g., a student card
A PA care facility, which includes a long‐term care nursing facility, an assisted living residence or a personal care home
U.S. Armed Forces branches or their reserves, including the PA National Guard (NOTE: The ID holder can be a veteran or current member; the expiration date can be indefinite.)
CabCurious
(954 posts)unblock
(52,313 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)multiple counties to get to the ID location.
unblock
(52,313 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)Handing out FEDERAL IDs?
IDs for the USA is not a thing to be taken lightly.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Never, NEVER should we play victim on this stuff... especially with months to organize and get active.
unblock
(52,313 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)Imagine Obama pushes some type of quick Federal ID to "help" people without valid state IDs who haven't bothered doing whatever it takes to get one.
Then imagine the first criminal who somehow abuses one of these IDs. SO many things could go wrong with a quickly implemented and easily manipulated Fed ID program.
Good ideas can often rush into the worst consequences.
unblock
(52,313 posts)the federal government wouldn't be certifying eligibility for voting or anything like that.
in practice, the whole idea is to facility voter registration, of course, but strictly speaking, all they're doing is issuing id.
i agree that a few criminals will get id, but:
(a) they're already screaming voter fraud anyway and
(b) personally i don't think any legitimate government should disenfranchise anyone -- breaking the law is no excuse to take away someone's vote, especially when a corrupt government has the power to pick and choose who gets disenfranchised.
emilyg
(22,742 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)The cost of transportation to and from.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)who don't have current drivers licenses, students without expiration dates on their photo IDs, the amish, people without cars who take public transportation to work, those whose names aren't on the utility bills (to prove residency) and all of those who keep the payday loan/check cashing places in business?
You know - those people who are registered to vote, but ineligible?
Should we just put them in a bus and take them to a military graveyard?
CabCurious
(954 posts)It truly is that simple.
We cannot just sit and sue. We can sue AFTER we win the election.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)and only someone completely unaware of the situation would post as such. Speaks volumes. When I bring drama, you will know it.
So, we are just fucked, but can "sue AFTER" the election - while 750k in one state alone are disenfranchised. Who cares, right? Its only 3/4 million people whose voices have been silenced, aye? *shrug*
Sorry to disappoint you, but the PA case (at least) was appealed to the PS SC today, and DOJ is looking into violations of section 2 of the Voting Rights Act (poll taxes). Lets hope that you are tremendously disappointed with the outcomes.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)Makes me want to see national IDs come sooner than later.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)My story is straight... relax.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)It is crystal clear.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)Are there people who are legally eligible to vote at 18 years of age or older in this country with no form of ID at all ??
I have never heard of a person like that in all my years of voting.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Many other states have also enacted this law, including Ohio.
chalky
(3,297 posts)former-republican
(2,163 posts)That's a hell of a link.
I live in CT in a small town so anyone here never has a problem voting.
At least that I know of.
Now I'm angry
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)No form of "acceptable" ID.
See #14 - and that is not all inclusive of the issues.
Specific to PA, in many cities like Philadelphia, it is entirely possible to live ones life on public transportation, with no utilities in one's name to prove residency. In addition, people like students in the state may have IDs, but with no expiration date, they can't use that to vote - meaning they need to vote in their home state as absentee (which they need to qualify for, depending on the state they are in).
In addition, PA has 71 DMV offices, and there are 13 counties without a DMV office. Of the 71, 20 are only open one day a week. Elderly complications on folks who no longer drive?
How many people do you know who can take a day from work to go to the DMV for hours on end (business hours, in cases, only one day a week) in order to get an ID - noting that these people are likely the ones to have no car/driver's license?
Do you think corner Payday Loan/Check Cashing places exist for 3 customers a month?
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Some whose name is different on the voter rolls than their ID (middle names, maiden names, etc - used on one but not the other)
Some who have ID, but is expired (elderly drivers licenses)
Some without access to a birth certificate (home births)
Some with photo ID, but no expiration date (student IDs, elderly, military, etc...)
Some with birth certificate, but no proof of residence (no name on the lease, no name on the utility bills)
Some whose religious beliefs prohibit the taking of photos (Amish)
So how do you propose identifying these folks, educating them AND getting them 'certified' for identification, get them to where they need to be, with all documentation, and get them the ID that the state requires?
I appreciate what you are saying - and am open to any and all options that you may have on this.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)You and I are not on the same side of the political aisle.
goclark
(30,404 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country
The Rethugs have really outslicked us, we have to move fast!
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)bhikkhu
(10,722 posts)A national ID card is a no-brainer.
CabCurious
(954 posts)That's how they win.
bhikkhu
(10,722 posts)...not for this election. Besides all the actual physical work, you'd have to have integrate it at the state level as well, and trying to get all that done in a matter of weeks would lead to a big fat mess, rather than a good election.
I still expect Obama to win this one, and getting out the vote in the greatest possible numbers is the best way to do that. They can shave off a percent here or there, but (as in 2008) its hard for them to turn around a drubbing.
CabCurious
(954 posts)unblock
(52,313 posts)i'm certainly not talking about an id issued for EVERYONE in the country, nor am i talking about hooking up databases or anything like that.
i'm ONLY talking about issuing ids for those who want one. they get a photo id that was issued from a united state government agency and therefore is valid id for voting purposes (at least in ohio and pennsylvania, i checked, above).
that's it.
i'm also thinking about using an existing program in part to avoid congressional opposition and also in order to roll it out asap.
CabCurious
(954 posts)We must MOBILIZE. Too much crying and flailing of arms.