I witnessed what we are up against!

[FourScore]

Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 05:56 PM PDT
Florida Today and I witnessed what we are up against!
by Vewife


Today I took my son to get his DL changed from Ga to Fl.
Here we go. He had lost his actual social security card BUT he had his Hewett Jackson tax returns. His certified birth certificate. He had had two forms of physical address and his bank statement.. all of which showed his social security number, The number was good enough for the IRS but not the DMV.

They had access to his Ga DL and his other Florida DL from years ago and they issued a temporary DL BUT could not register to vote. They had his old DL up on screen from the year 2000 before it was transferred to Ga. They had the Ga DL...Give me a break!!!! Pictures and all. He is 43 not 19.

Ocala was the closest social security office. It is now shut down. 60 0r more miles to get a social security card. He lost is card in a lake and with all of those valid numbers. Now the next question. Do you have a passport? My reply..Come on..
He can't drive around the block legally and you want to know if he can leave the country via passport? My son was nice. I was pissed. I told her.. "Hey I know what is happening here ..King Scott put this in effect after he got elected right?"
The answer was yes. I again said, "He can temporarily drive for 30 days until the proper papers are shown but can't register to vote. That was an affirmative.

Do you really think Florida is not going to make it damn near impossible to get all the papers in order. Then I was so mad I could not see straight. She knew what car he drove in 1999 from that DL in Florida...Gonna tell me she didn't know he voted Dem last election. Where are your papers please. She looked a bit uncomfortable when I was throwing questions out there. Never smiled. Reminded me of some Nazi intake person. This is where you register to vote.
Wait till they compare our signatures on election day. How many handwriting analysis are onboard. None I venture to say.

I knew it would be bad. I had to show my marriage license to get my DL. What a bunch of crap.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/16/1121045/-Florida-Today-and-I-witnessed-what-we-are-up-against

[TheMastersNemesis]

1. Itsa Catch 22

You were caught in a catch 22. And the rules will change as soon as you get the documents they tell you you need.

[unblock]

2. so the insist on the socsec card for id? the one that says "not to be used for identification"?

yeah, i know they removed that years ago, but i'm pretty sure i still have my original card with that statement on it.

[bhikkhu]

10. I also have no social security card, and no office within 70 miles

I was told by the nearest Social Security office - really - not to worry about it. They said its not ID, and I really don't need to have an actual card for anything. They told me that verifications can be done online if anything needs to be verified...so I don't have a card, nor do my kids. So far, so good - here in Oregon.

[unblock]

29. yeah -- i always thought they were strictly to remind ME what my number was!

[MrMickeysMom]

20. Hey, I want to know why they removed that years ago!

Little by little eroding civil liberties, like a lobster in a slow cooking pot!

[csziggy]

25. The DL office clerk did not believe my SS card was valid

It was the only one I have every carried around, issued when I was a kid, about 50+ years ago. The 20 something year old clerk had never seen a SS card that old and was not sure it was a real one. The oldest clerk in the office came over and approved it, otherwise they would have refused to issued me a renewed driver's license even though I had EVERY single form of ID and proof of residency required:

TWO different certified copies of my birth certificate, one recent, one 50 years old.
Social Security card.
Utility bill
AND my old driver's license WITH my picture.

[Politicalboi]

3. I wonder if there is any loophole

Because if the DMV clerk can see your party affiliation, maybe they are breaking a law somewhere. I don't know the privacy laws involving voters. There is no reason a clerk at the DMV should be able to get that info.

[still_one]

4. The sad thing is its been 12 years since 2000, and what have the Democrats done about it?

[Politicalboi]

5. Exactly

They should have gone all out to be sure nothing like that happens again.

[xtraxritical]

18. Really, what's Holder doing? Nothing that I can see.

[Systematic Chaos]

26. I guess he's just a place Holder.

Thank you! I'm here all week! Try the fish!

[CrispyQ]

33. A place Holder . . . good one!

He's busy crushing the MMJ industry on behalf of private prisons, the legal industry, big pharma, & alcohol.

[Raster]

6. you are correct. What is even worse is that many of the legal voters illegally removed from the....

...voter rolls by Jeb and Cruella ARE STILL OFF THE VOTING ROLLS.

[AndyTiedye]

8. It's FLORIDA. What COULD the Democrats Do About It?

[still_one]

13. It wasn't just Florida, and they had the majority in 2008 at the Federal level /nt

[Ikonoklast]

41. Rules qualifying voters are set by the states, per the Constitution.

The feds can come in if there is proven obstructionism, but it has to go through the courts first.

Which is what is currently happening, and the feds are responding.

[still_one]

42. That is true, unless they violate someone's right to vote. That was one of the big

Points of the Civil Rights Act

Poll taxes, literacy tests, and I would say it extends to disenfranchising voters which 2000 had a lot of incidents of that, such as changing polling places, confusing ballots, etc

[freshwest]

37. Holder has gone after them and now he's got a federal slapdown:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021149776

Returning good governance to Florida after so many years of going backwards seems impossible as the majority is still strongly GOP, or so the media would lead one to believe.

[nc4bo]

9. Not one damn thing that I've heard of.

Plenty of potential but zero action and now we find ourselves in a mess.

[iamthebandfanman]

12. it was way more fun

for some democrats to spend all there time hating ralph nader

[AndyTiedye]

19. Nader Deserves It for Running a Spoiler Campaign With Malice Aforethought

[A Simple Game]

32. It's not "our fault" if we blame it on Nader. n/t

[druidity33]

45. Yeah, why blame it on the 200,000+ Democrats

in Florida that voted for Bush?

We should definitely blame it on the 96,000 people who voted Green Party...

[AndyTiedye]

48. Ask Not: "Could They Have Stolen It Without Nader's Help?". Ask, "Why Was Nader Helping Bush Win?"

[druidity33]

49. Actually

we were talking about placing blame, and i said you could just as easily blame the 200,000+ Democrats that voted for Bush as you could the 96,000+ that vote Green Party (a group which may or may not have voted Dem anyway).

I wasn't asking Philosophic questions...

[RKP5637]

7. Each day gets a little more twisted in the US. I pity what this country could be if under

Romney/Ryan. Too many in the US take it for granted and hell, too many can't be bothered to learn the issues and vote. I think that's about 40% or so. Then, you have all the crap your son went through.

I have a very short temper for bullshit like this. I certainly hope your asshole governor gets voted out the next time around. Why people even vote for someone like him is beyond me.

[Jack Sprat]

11. Believe me I know.

I moved from Florida less than a month after King Scott was sworn in.

[savannah43]

24. In many states, one cannot vote if one has a felony conviction.

Yet this felon can be the governor of Florida? How does that come about?

[freshwest]

34. Rush Limbaugh lives in Florida. Fox News rules there. What could go wrong?

[Dustlawyer]

14. I still say they are going to change votes by hacking the central vote reporting system which

experts say has little to no security. They spend a billion on the election, is it a stretch to think they won't spend a couple of million to do this?

[AndyTiedye]

21. They Will Do That Too

[caseymoz]

15. No sane person should live in Florida these days.

But it goes for any State that has a strict voter ID law. What can you do if you can't vote? You could hold protests until the police come out and brutalize you. Then you end up in jail in the thrall of your state's privatized incarceration system. Meanwhile, you've lost your job.

No, if I were in Florida, I would look for another state and move out in droves. If it won't let you vote, bleed it's population, and therefore it's power away.

[maddiemom]

16. In the seventies and eighties I changed my drivers license between three states.

I started out and ended up in Pennsylvania. Requirements from that time varied from a simple exchange to a written test to a complete driving test. I don't know how it is now, but my original PA test was through my high school drivers' ed class and required no proof beyond my being a legitimate student.
Forms were filled out,of course, but no stringent documentation needed.

[Cleita]

17. That's terrible.

Chink by chink they are destroying our democracy.

[RBInMaine]

22. I just checked the FL Div. of elections webpage and what you need to register. Here is what it says:

Gotta have a FL driver's license number or FL photo ID number and the last four digits of the SS #. Google the webpage at "Register To Vote Florida Division Of Elections" and it is listed right there. There is also a voter registration form you can access right there online. It seems the hangup you had has to do with the DL number. Once he gets his permanent FL DL, he'll have a permanent DL #, and he knows the last four digits of his SS #, so should be all set. But please, again, check out the webpage.

[UCmeNdc]

27. Where is the Democratic Party organized push back?

Why no organized opposition?

[freshwest]

35. The opposition has been organized and continues to fight:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021149776

[trouble.smith]

28. can you still vote provisionally if it comes down to it?

[Heather MC]

30. I wish you had videoed this encounter and sent it to maddow

[Purrfessor]

31. More Florida Outrage

A friend of mine in Florida recently filled out the FL change-of-address form, provided all of the necessary documentation that it asked for and mailed the information in to register her change of address. Before she sent the material she made copies of everything. The Board of Elections (or whatever it's called in Florida), sent her a new change-of-address form to fill out because they claimed she did not sign the one she sent in. She checked her copies and she had signed it. This is just another example of the GOP forcing people to jump through additional hoops in the hope that they will eventually get discouraged and not bother to continue fighting the bureaucracy in order to be able to vote. Sadly, many people will simply give up.

[independentpiney]

36. I changed my license and voter registration from NJ to Fla in March without a ss card

I haven't had one in years and it was no problem. Has there been changes to the rules since then?

[Uncle Joe]

38. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, FourScore.

[RebelOne]

40. A law was just passed here in Georgia

ruling that people going to renew their licenses must have all the documentation as required in Florida. I don't have to renew my license until 2014, so I have almost a year and a half to gather all that information.

[Erose999]

44. Get that 12 year renewal, I was in line for 2 hours last month and I have to go back AGAIN before I

can get my renewal.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

47. the law is DHS inspired...

went into effect July 2012... Georgia is just complying as are other states.

sP

[Erose999]

43. We have the same shit in GA. I still have to go to my hometown and get my birth certificate from the

county clerk. They spent millions revamping the DMV with a more computerized and integrated system to make it faster and end the long lines and it worked.... until this shit. The lines and the waiting queues are worse than ever now.

[cr8tvlde]

46. These days everyone should have a certified copy of their Birth Certificate

I keep an extra copy of mine and my son's just in case. This is a wake up call ... "Papers, Citizen?" has arrived in the USA. Sad to say.

My passport is about to expire and I'm going to get it renewed just because.