Anti-Pelosi House Democrats Surrender And Admit Defeat

[babylonsister]

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11/26/anti-pelosi-house-democrats-surrender-and-admit-defeat.html

Posted on Mon, Nov 26th, 2018 by Jason Easley
Anti-Pelosi House Democrats Surrender And Admit Defeat


The white male rebellion against Nancy Pelosi as speaker has been crushed as they have surrendered and want a deal on changes to her leadership team.

The decision by Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) to shift his attention from Pelosi — by far the front-runner for the speakership and currently running unopposed — to potential discussions over the lower-ranking positions of House majority leader and House majority whip underscored Pelosi’s strength and the desire of her critics to reshuffle the leadership even if she holds the gavel.

Moulton, who served four tours of duty in Iraq as a Marine, is an informal leader of a group of centrist Democrats that has been organizing against Pelosi (D-Calif.) and pushing for new leadership across the party’s ranks in the House.

Nancy Pelosi doesn’t need to negotiate any deals

Rep. Moulton doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He doesn’t have enough support to deny Nancy Pelosi the votes she needs to become speaker, so it is fascinating to watch him try to negotiate something when he has no cards to play. Nancy Pelosi doesn’t need to cut a deal, and she certainly shouldn’t agree to any condition like a time limit on her speakership that would weaken her position both with her own caucus and in dealing with Trump and the Republican Party.

Nancy Pelosi isn’t going to make a deal.

What the white male Democrats tried to pull on Pelosi is the same stunt that the far right pulled on John Boehner and Paul Ryan with regularity. The Democrats who opposed Nancy Pelosi did so out of ageism, sexism, and blind personal ambition. These guys didn’t care about what was best for their party. They wanted power, and they didn’t want to wait for it.

She hasn’t agreed to any talks, which means that it could be a very long two years for the dudes who tried to oust Nancy Pelosi.

[Wintryjade]

1. As I see it, HRC did the same in 2016. And Harris need to do it with the Republicans going after her

with the judiciary committee. This is a good thing.

[pwb]

2. Good. They deserve offices in the basement.

Or maybe handing out towels in the wash room.

[Kingofalldems]

3. I am sure the GOP had a hand in pushing any discord.

[erronis]

42. Further up the money chain than the GOP. Look at those that want democracy to fail.

Most of the GOP congress are just dumb parrots of their masters. They worship money, and not being hoisted by their filthy petards.

I'd look to all of the "conservative" organizations and outside agitators well funded by oligarchs from around the world.

[OnDoutside]

4. Excellent ! Crushed.

[Loki Liesmith]

5. "White male rebellion"

Unnecessary descriptor.

[Wintryjade]

6. I do not think it is unnecessary, but relevant. I think we have clearly defined positions.

There is no argument that the majority of the Republican party are whites. There is no argument Trump is supported by racists and misogynists, Evangelicals and the stupid. Sanders is white middle class. This group of nine are white men working with Republicans.

It absolutely does matter, as the Democratic establishment of women and blacks and lLatinos and gays.

[sheshe2]

10. +++

[pecosbob]

19. In fact, I would have said all white male, Republican billionaire-funded rebellion

[Eliot Rosewater]

30. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Hortensis]

59. But hey, where are our white guys who voted Democrat?!

76% of the electorate is white. 39% of white men voted Democrat in the midterms! That's not fabulous, but it means a bunch of those who left in 2016 returned in 2018 (+8%!).

A claim that no white men are part of the Democratic "establishment" seems a little strange since they basically defined it not that long ago. But please note this: In the midterms our Democratic white male "I voted bloc" apparently was roughly comparable in numbers to our black "I voted bloc" and to our Hispanic "I voted bloc," all in the mid-teen percents.

So let's also give our white male voters (some of whom are actually right here on DU!) the same inclusion and respect every single one of us who stood up and voted Democrat deserves.

[Wintryjade]

63. "A claim that no white men are part of the Democratic "establishment" "

But, I did not claim this.

I should not have to go out of my way to pat a white male establishment Democrat any more than I go out of my way to pat a woman's back, or AA's back being the Democratic base.

[Hortensis]

65. I guess I misunderstood that, sorry. Am I misunderstanding

the use of "establishment" in reference to "white male" and the use of "Democratic base" for women and AA? Perhaps I'm reading that sentence wrong too and you were actually referring to how we're all establishment (whatever that means in this context) base Democrats? If so, warm fuzzies for all.

[Wintryjade]

66. Our Democratic base are attacked as the establishment. Instead of running away title, I own it.

I like our establishment and since so many of us have been put in that box the last two years, I can no longer see it as an insult.

Yes, to your second point. That is exactly how I am referencing it. PP was labeled as establishment, for goodness sake. Make me establishment. I like our establishment.

[Hortensis]

71. :) Me too.

[klook]

77. Sanders? Bernie Sanders??

He’s in the Senate, last time I checked. Not sure why his name crops up in your post.

[Recursion]

84. It's an example of pushback primarily by white people against the party structure

Had Sanders's support been less confined to middle class white voters, the primaries would have been a lot different.

[efhmc]

85. What a great, pointed and cogent reply,

also true.

[uponit7771]

87. +1

[sheshe2]

9. Not at all.

It was what it was.

[LanternWaste]

12. Many people believe accuracy is unnecessary.

I get it...

[LiberalFighter]

14. If you mean Trump and Fox News. I agree. :)

[Me.]

22. 14 Of The Original Group Were White Males

the other 2 were women so while 'most' might've been a better word the men, especially, Moulton & Ryan seemed to be the ringleaders, both white males.

[marble falls]

13. It is what it is and that's exactly what happened. There were only white males involved .

[EffieBlack]

27. I'll bet if virtually all of the insurgents were black women, that would be worth noting

Referring to white men as white men - just as other groups are identified as part of their demographic - may make some people uncomfortable, but it is what it is.

This was indeed a rebellion of and by white men against an accomplished, powerful woman, and it fell flat.

[Eliot Rosewater]

31. I dont even use the W word...in certain places, brings me all kinds of unwanted attention

[EffieBlack]

33. Because white people don't have a race. They're just "people."

[IronLionZion]

41. They could have targeted Steny Hoyer, who is older than Pelosi and male

They could have gone after Jim Clyburn, a black male. Or Chuck Schumer, a Jewish male who didn't win us a Senate majority.

But these centrist guys targeted Nancy Pelosi because of her age and gender and liberalism despite her second historic house victory, and she spanked them down like an experienced boss who doesn't have time for this nonsense. They have nothing to bargain with, just their own sense of entitlement.

When you come at the queen, you best not miss.

[Me.]

68. It Turns Out Schumer Is Pals With Them

[erronis]

43. Necessary since these are the types that are caught up in the web of greed and lust.

Not to say that others aren't but most of them are white, male, privileged, and loving power/money.

[mcar]

47. It is a necessary and accurate descriptor

as the vast majority of the small # of those rebelling are white men. One presumes that if the "rebellion" was instigated by AA men or women, it would be noted.

[nvme]

62. I agree

Do not let the false narrative of white male rebellion cloud the changes we are seeking. I was never thrilled with Pelosi's leadership. I will support her as a leader, I think change is needed. Fear of retaliation is what is keeping those who are willing to lead from stepping forward. I commend fudge for her gumption but there were too many lemmings. I hope they gave Fudge something for her troubles.

[sheshe2]

7. Poor bebe's!

The white boys lost their power grab using ageism, sexism, and blind personal ambition. Nancy RULES!

I am sooooo loving this.

[Gothmog]

20. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

23. Awwww.

Poor bebe.

Reminds me of this.



Me thinks and this is just me...tis better to come to the table with all parts intact if you wish to negotiate.

[Cha]

34. Mahalo, Goth.. Love the Hoarse Whisperer!

[brush]

46. I won't use the "W-word", I'll just call them the #FiveDumbGuys.

WTF, now they want to negotiate the length of her speakership?

Can you get any dumber than that?

They have zero leverage and they want to demand Pelosi tell them how long she will stay.

Don't hold your breath, #FiveDumbGuys.

[mcar]

48. Perfect!

[BeyondGeography]

8. Keeping Pelosi/Hoyer/Clyburn intact is hardly a win

None are particularly good with the media and all are coming up on 80 years of age. Moulton and Ryan have gotten nowhere but using their ineptitude as an excuse to keep the same ole same ole leadership team is a mistake IMO.

[sheshe2]

24. Aaaaah

[Me.]

25. ...

[sheshe2]

26. Me!

[Eliot Rosewater]

36. I am in the wrong place.

Mislead I suppose by the name of the place.

[sheshe2]

39. Ummhmm.

[mcar]

49. So Moulton and Ryan are inept but correct?

I honestly don't care that Pelosi may not be that great with the media - unlike Paul Ryan, of course ( ).

She is the best, most successful leader in at least a generation. She gets things done.

Do they need to be cultivating younger leaders? Of course. Moulton & Ryan deserve all the criticism they are getting.

[JI7]

72. don't forget the charismatic mitch mcconnell

[mcar]

78. Funny that

He's never criticized for his media presence. Wonder why?

[brush]

50. Wrong. Pelosi has been excellent before as the Speaker and she just...

raised 50M and helped pull off a great victory. It would be idiotic to replace her. Ask Barack Obama who herded his legislative victories through Congress.

And as far as new leadership when the time comes, there are twenty-some ranking members of House committees who will soon become committee chairs, many of them being in mid-career.

Every heard of Schiff, Cummings, Lowey and others?

[BeyondGeography]

56. She was excellent when she had Barack Obama to sell policy

As the voice of the party, you could do much better. But nobody else has any experience at the leadership level! Nor will they get any in the next two years, as it looks now.

Carry on.

[brush]

58. We'll be fine. The repugs won't be once the hearings, investigations and subpoenas arrive.

[mcar]

79. What is your suggestion?

Who do you support for Speaker if not Pelosi? You obviously have an idea.

[uponit7771]

88. Didn't we hear this *status quo" crap in 16?!?!?! Would love for some status quo right now

[pecosbob]

11. I don't really care who succeeds as Speaker as long as they don't cave to any bullshit rules

such as those suggested by the 'Problem Solvers' and it's parent pac No Labels. If you got elected as a blue dog in your state, then fine, be a blue dog for your state...just don't try to force your watered down Regonomics on the rest of the country. And tell your billionaire sponsors to go fuck themselves.

[LiberalFighter]

15. It boggles my mind

when Mooton or is it Pooton thinks he can negotiate when he doesn't have a tit to tat.

[dlk]

17. Hubris...

[EffieBlack]

28. He has a pee pee tail

And thinks that’s all he needs.

[Gothmog]

16. Moulton Seeks Negotiations with Pelosi

It seems that Nancy Pelosi is ignoring Moulton and this group https://politicalwire.com/2018/11/26/moulton-seeks-negotiations-with-pelosi/

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) signaled that he is seeking to hold negotiations with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “about changes to her leadership team, a development that makes her ascendancy to the speakership likelier as her opponents continue to struggle to recruit a challenger,” the Washington Post reports.

“Pelosi, however, has given no indication that she is open to talks with Moulton about a deal for the support of moderate critics, or that she would ever waver in her support for her longtime deputies, Reps. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and James Clyburn (D-SC), who are in line to hold the No. 2 and No. 3 posts in the House next year.”

I agree with Nancy Pelosi's actions in ignoring Moultin and this group

[hatrack]

18. But . . . but . . . but . . Problem Solvers Caucus!!!!11!!1

[Me.]

21. Here's The Truth Behind The AntiPelosi Move & No Labels

in addition to +1 for this piece

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211475160

[Cha]

38. Mahalo for the link, Me..

Problem Creators

[Me.]

70. Heya...It Important That The Truth Of These Self-Appointed Groups

comes out and we know exactly what they're pushing for their benefit and who they are. Nice try at hiding behind a bunch of goobledegook boys.

for your smilie

[lapfog_1]

29. just for the symbolism

I think it would be great to have two 1-week or 1-month Speakers...

Maxine Waters and John Lewis

just to really piss off Trump.

[SHRED]

32. The Blue Dogs have been neutered

[erronis]

44. We can hope so, but I bet they'll be back in another form.

It does keep life interesting.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

35. Moulton's going to find serving four tours in Iraq is nothing like serving a term in the House.

In Iraq, the worse that could happen would be a sudden death by a bullet. In politics, it's death by a thousand cuts, death by being drawn and quartered by constituents who are not getting all their expectations met, death by being stretched in all directions by special interests. And of course there are the endless speeches from the floor, which won't kill you but make you wish you were dead.

[Tiggeroshii]

37. No deals

None

[charlyvi]

40. When you come at the Queen, you better not miss. n/t

[KPN]

45. THIS is why I support Nancy Pelosi. She's

sharp, she’s tough, and she’s a winner. She gets things done.

She’s a GOP target for a reason, and it’s not just because she’s a woman.

[mcar]

51. Nancy is a badass

She has done what she said she would do. She is a great leader.

[Hassler]

52. Maybe Moulton can team up with fellow leadership loser, Gym Jordan

[NoMoreRepugs]

53. Some shrunken sphincters on Capitol Hill.

[NBachers]

54. She'll grind their bones to make her bread.

[Downtown Hound]

55. They want a deal...

[Perseus]

57. Why do I keep thinking that Moulton is a republican agent?

Its hard not to think that way, the only interview I have seen of him I thought he was a republican, and I do admit that I did not know who he was, the interview was at CNN with Alisyn Camrota, who I think is fantastic, and she made him look like an idiot.

I am convinced there are republicans who register and run as Democrats just to unbalance the party, when you have someone like Moulton and his other members of the 'five-white-guys' team who have voted with republicans so much, then you have to wonder.

[ellie]

60. Good.

Is there a list of these people somewhere?

[Hamlette]

61. I hope they pay

petty I admit, but still

[ananda]

64. They lost and they're still trying to coopt her job?

This is just the definition of insanity.

[Gothmog]

67. From Wonkette

Link to tweet

[babylonsister]

74. Hahaha! Perfect! nt

[lpbk2713]

69. I hope the blatant sexist/ageist bullshit is over.

I never thought they had a chance anyway.

[LBM20]

82. It is not "sexist" and "ageist to simply feel it is time for some change. (Please read the rest.):

And change is coming soon enough anyway. Pelosi is probably done in two years, though I do agree current leadership should remain for this transition and the next two years.

Right now Pelosi is going to focus on the bread and butter issues, and she maintains control and discipline very well. She also knows how to deal with McConnell and Trump, so we need that experience. But in two years, time for a change of the guard.

[yardwork]

73. This was pathetic.

[Gothmog]

75. The Pathetic Pelosi Putsch

This story makes me smile. Moulton comes off looking like a putsch https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/26/speaker-nancy-pelosi-revolt-seth-moulton-222686

Two days after the election, Moulton declared that his crew was committed to voting against Pelosi on the House floor, where only a handful of renegade Democrats would be needed to deny her a winning majority. The following week, he said he was “100 percent confident” he had the votes, and Pelosi’s time was up.

And yet she’s still here.

Pelosi strides into Wednesday’s House Democratic Caucus elections with her head held high, and her high heels on Moulton’s neck. She remains without a Democratic challenger. She has unleashed a wave of support from the Democratic faithful, from Barack Obama on down. She turned two of Moulton’s allies who had, just days before, stated their opposition to her. A third opponent suggested he’ll vote for Pelosi on the floor if no other Democratic option emerges. And she has kept several other Serve America PAC alumni from jumping aboard Moulton’s rickety bandwagon. While Pelosi isn’t completely in the clear for the final vote on January 3 on the House floor—with Moulton clinging to 14 fellow holdouts and eight other Democrats in the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus playing hard to get—she unquestionably holds the whip hand.

Dumping a historic figure like Pelosi, the first female speaker, after she weathered a Republican blitzkrieg to help her party win back the House, was always going to be a tall order. (And don’t say I didn’t warn them!) But Moulton’s operation has been, to borrow some military jargon, FUBAR. He’s poised to not only lose his battle with the party establishment, but to lose in such humiliating fashion that it could ruin his reputation and douse whatever presidential fires may be burning in his belly.

[still_one]

76. I had no doubt she had the votes, and this latest effort was mostly hyped up by the media more than

viability.

After a good number of House progressives within the party sided with Pelosi, it cinched it

[LBM20]

80. Can we please drop the "white male" shit. Pelosi is white. There were females in the group too.

[Takket]

81. they stepped into the ring with the champ, thought they were tough shit,

and got knocked out 10 seconds into round one.

The new congress doesn't even get sworn in for 40 days and they are already FINISHED

Give Nancy a belt!!!!!!!

[Progressive dog]

83. Moulton and his tiny group

will use every piece of leverage, including threatening any limits that the House could put on Trump's power. They are hostage takers who have no alternative proposal and no logical reason for opposing Pelosi.

[Gothmog]

86. Pelosi's momentum builds: 'Voting against Pelosi on the floor is a vote for the Republican'

This makes me smile https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/27/1815602/-Pelosi-s-momentum-builds-Voting-against-Pelosi-on-the-floor-is-a-vote-for-the-Republican

It’s a bad day for the #FiveWhiteGuys, as Nancy Pelosi’s bid to reclaim the speaker’s gavel is getting stronger by the hour. A series of representatives and representatives-elect have come forward to announce their support for Pelosi over Underpants Gnome strategery intended to push the party to the right.

Connecticut’s Jahana Hayes, who had said she wouldn’t support Pelosi, cut right to the chase:

Link to tweet

Illinois’s Jesus “Chuy” Garcia said in a statement that “It is time for Democrats to come together and support a unified agenda of progressive values. I urge my freshman colleagues who are undecided to join me in supporting Leader Pelosi.”

According to New Hampshire’s Chris Pappas, “after careful consideration and discussion with many constituents and future colleagues in Congress … I believe [Pelosi] is best equipped to lead the House at this point in our history.”