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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRobert Mueller has accomplished one huge goal already.
He has gotten us past the mid-terms and given the people the choice to vote for a new Congress. The people spoke loudly.
If the people had spoken differently and had kept the Republicans in charge of both House and Senate, Robert Mueller would be looking at a different reality.
His work will not be silenced, nor will it be swept under the rug, with the Democrats in charge of the House. It would have been vastly different if Republicans had won.
So, Mueller has gotten us halfway thru the challenge. It is now up to Congress to finish the job. Politicians, especially Republicans, cannot run and hide. They have to take a stand. The time for hiding is over. It is the Republicans that are going to have to search their souls for the right answer. Mueller has protected our democracy up to this point. It is now up to us - the people and their Representatives.
Do they vote for their Party and their corrupted leader or do they vote for our country and our democracy?
SimpleC
(279 posts)Capperdan
(492 posts)"Just wait until the midterms" now "Just wait until Jan. 3" , day by day he gets worse and worse. In another month he can do so much more damage to the world. It makes me feel so powerless.
kentuck
(111,098 posts)Between now and January 3rd.
Mystery sage
(576 posts)These past 2 years is literally watching the rocket turn from earth Toward the sun and everyone is happy to die. Soon the dems control 1/3 of the rocket I hope we move out of the way of the sun.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)McConnell will protect himself and trump , and many others n Congress by doing anything he can to obstruct its moving past the Senate. He's too corrupt to allow it to hurt him and trump , and knows his future for him will be prison if he does nothing to stop it. Before its all said and done, Mitch and trump and many others involved will be headed for prison. Some for acts of treason against our country.
MyOwnPeace
(16,927 posts)if McTurtle hasn't acted up to this point, there can be nothing short of a shooting in the White House that will make him to even begin to consider allowing impeachment. That's just the cold reality that faces us.
We can indeed be thankful that we now have the House of Representatives. That slows down, if not stops, the disaster train that was rolling through our government. Facing subpoenas and investigations will help bring exposure to the wreck that is this mis-administration.
I also agree - prison and charges of treason are reasonable expectations for us to have at this point in time and the threat of either or both will not impede McTurtle and this corrupt mis-administration.
brush
(53,784 posts)trump and the repugs will be investigated in the House.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)along with all the rest of the one man carrying our nation notion, surely? We have a difference in basic viewpoint here, even though we actually agree on almost everything. Respect and gratitude to a good, principled man conscientiously doing his job are certainly in order. And a moment of appreciation for Mueller's former boss Rosenberg also?
But the admiration and gratitude you give him I give to our national principles and the government structure that was built on them. Mueller's conducting an investigation, not secretly guiding and watching over Democrats and our democracy. I wouldn't characterize it as "his" work as in my mind that actually tends to diminish its importance and majesty. It is our democracy's work through the rule of law established by our constitution and is being carried out by our justice department according to the law, in spite of everything.
I agree that through the midterms all the citizens who voted for Democrats put the investigation on safer footing. A big pat on the back for us.
Sadly and frankly, I strongly doubt a large majority of those who've slid into the grip of pernicious hyperpartisanship on either right or left are capable of searching their souls, or wanting to. I'm not being facetious. Insight and willingness and ability for self examination are not exactly characteristic of people who've abandoned intellectualism, truth, and even moral precepts in order to indulge self-induced political bigotry toward others.
But that leaves the others, the followers you're calling on who are capable of admitting and turning from a bad leader. Absolutely, they have a great duty.
Btw, most political psychologists believe that for most their future political beliefs will once again come to strongly mirror those of their next leader, and that leader will be once again chosen by through joining with the choice of the group they identify with. Just as they did with Trump.
So what will that group be? Same old or are they finally starting to re-form? The Republican Party was once better because the worst of them were a nest of Southern conservative troublemakers in the liberal-dominated Democratic Party. Will they finally reject this pernicious, knuckledragging influence that flooded into their party after the 1960s?
kentuck
(111,098 posts)...and I do not think political calculations were completely out of the picture. I think getting past the mid-terms was part of his strategy. He was simply attempting to survive in many instances.
Can you imagine how far along the coup would be if there was no Robert Mueller?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We have no idea what Mueller's decisions have been and been based on, that waits for historians, and hopefully him as a primary source, to report. I don't doubt for a minute that he used every tool legally available to him, and possibly stretched things here and there, perhaps even sharing some information where he can with foreign governments who are supplying him information, to keep the investigation he is charged with from being stopped by the very people being investigated.
But note that if he and it didn't exist, we'd still here, and by we I mean all those in and out of government who are engaged in the protection of our democracy. I'm thinking of us all as Muellers, the midterms would still have taken place, and the Muellers would have voted. The media and polls say most Americans, including Democrats, are paying little attention to the investigation and generally want a return to normalcy and cooperation, not indictments. That could change. Trump and Co have unquestionably been constrained by fear the electorate from closing it down.
The vote is endangered but still rules.
Nictuku
(3,614 posts)... the report gets turned over to the Attorney General (who can trash can it if he wants).
That report might never see the light of day.
Unless.... they do the Road Map thing, where the Grand Jury can issue a report to congress.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,433 posts)If they don't they potentially lose power for a generation at least. With the changing demographics that could mean generations...... those old white men won't give that power up IMO.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)Rachel last night what is in the sealed envelope???? may be a grand jury indictment???
47of74
(18,470 posts)Thats gotta burn the orange fornicate, having someone in one of his properties and not paying any rent.
Nitram
(22,803 posts)Mueller's investigation and subpoena and question people who are outside his investigation.