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pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:09 PM Nov 2018

***Sunrise Movement members cite this VOX piece to explain their sit-in outside Pelosi's office.***

Having read this piece, I think I have a better handle on the thinking of the people behind the sit-in -- and the potential for uniting the party behind a "Green New Deal." But I also think we need a leader as strong as Nancy Pelosi for this extremely ambitious plan to have a chance to get through Congress -- after 2020 (which is part of their plan).

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/11/14/18094452/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-nancy-pelosi-protest-climate-change-2020

The activists called on Pelosi to lead Democrats in developing an ambitious, comprehensive plan to address climate change — a Green New Deal. Halfway through the protest, rising Democratic star and Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez visited to show her support, which drew a torrent of media coverage.

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I’ll be honest, though. I’ve seen intra-left disputes on climate change reprise themselves over and over again, to no one’s benefit, and when I heard about this protest, I felt a twinge of dread. Why target Pelosi, who has always been a climate champion? And how is she supposed to have a comprehensive climate plan already when she hasn’t even taken the gavel? Aren’t there worse enemies of the climate to protest?

But I talked it out on Twitter, emailed with a few of the organizers, and now have a better handle on what’s going on. And it turns out to be quite a bit richer and more significant than what you might get from the headlines.

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The resolution — supported by the Sunrise Movement and Justice Democrats, two youth-led organizations pushing for a Green New Deal — has a number of interesting provisions, but two demands are central: that the committee be given a mandate to develop a Green New Deal that would decarbonize the US economy, and that no members be appointed who accept donations from the fossil fuel industry.

Specifically, the committee “shall have authority to develop a detailed, national, industrial, economic mobilization plan for the transition of the United States economy to become carbon neutral and to significantly draw down and capture greenhouse gases from the atmosphere and oceans and to promote economic and environmental justice and equality.” It would be required to produce a draft plan by January 1, 2020, and draft legislation by March 1, 2020.

In other words, the committee must produce a package of legislation ready to move if Democrats take power in the 2020 elections.

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***Sunrise Movement members cite this VOX piece to explain their sit-in outside Pelosi's office.*** (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2018 OP
Unfortunately, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #1
So basically, Nancy was saying namahage Nov 2018 #2
No, basically Nancy said "I already started doing this last week." George II Nov 2018 #21
Did it occur to them to make an appointment? mcar Nov 2018 #3
If they really cared about climate change. rogue emissary Nov 2018 #4
thank you for taking the time to study it more, and I also 100% agree that we need Pelosi Celerity Nov 2018 #5
They've got to earn that. Certainly there are some mid-career Democrats... brush Nov 2018 #9
yes, sorry, I didn't mean brand new ones just elected, I meant younger as in not pushing 80, lol Celerity Nov 2018 #10
Why on earth a "protest" or demonstration, though? I Hortensis Nov 2018 #6
I really don't think it was that problematic , and Pelosi has dealt with far worse... JHan Nov 2018 #17
Sure. I haven't read much and have no doubt coverage Hortensis Nov 2018 #18
You know who I think is a "rising Democratic Star".. Cha Nov 2018 #7
Sharice is great. I don't know why but I latched onto her campaign a month or two... George II Nov 2018 #14
I know what you mean.. Such Positive Energy.. No Whining. Cha Nov 2018 #15
Yawn,,,,, pwb Nov 2018 #8
ty for this pwnmom. Informative. JHan Nov 2018 #11
one caveat ... the author quoted the Hill Piece which was a bit of sensationalism... JHan Nov 2018 #12
"Youth led"? Justice Democrats was founded by Cenk Uyger when he was 47 years old. George II Nov 2018 #13
I know, right? that caught my eye, too.. Cha Nov 2018 #16
Uhmmm... what did we miss in 2016? We missed paying attention and following the GOP memes re allgood33 Nov 2018 #19
I also think that much off the animosity toward Nancy is similar pnwmom Nov 2018 #20
Bazinga! George II Nov 2018 #22

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Unfortunately,
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:21 PM
Nov 2018

many people associate Jill Stein with the Green movement. And she is merely looking for publicity.

But yes, this would be an incredible plan because it could be sold to GOP voters as a jobs plan.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. No, basically Nancy said "I already started doing this last week."
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:00 PM
Nov 2018

What those people were demonstrating for had already been basically decided, and they KNEW it. It was just grandstanding on their part.

mcar

(42,375 posts)
3. Did it occur to them to make an appointment?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:28 PM
Nov 2018

You know, just meet with Pelosi, who re-upped the committee 5 days earlier?

I got media attention because it fed into the media's "Dems in disarray" obsession.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
4. If they really cared about climate change.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:43 PM
Nov 2018

They would done their homework. Your right that organizers goal was to feed "Dems in disarray" coverage. I'm also certain it was motivated by the lets disrespecting the "evil establishment" types.

Celerity

(43,531 posts)
5. thank you for taking the time to study it more, and I also 100% agree that we need Pelosi
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:47 PM
Nov 2018

as speaker. The stakes are too high for on-the job training (which hopefully our Speaker takes some younger ones under her wings and gives them for a future transition).

brush

(53,871 posts)
9. They've got to earn that. Certainly there are some mid-career Democrats...
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:11 PM
Nov 2018

with actual legislative experience more deserving of that than some freshman who just walked in the building.

Celerity

(43,531 posts)
10. yes, sorry, I didn't mean brand new ones just elected, I meant younger as in not pushing 80, lol
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:20 PM
Nov 2018

sorry for the confusion

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Why on earth a "protest" or demonstration, though? I
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:59 PM
Nov 2018

visited our congressman's office back in California with a couple of groups. We made an appointment and sat down and discussed our issues. In those situations, we were also contacted with updates until the problems were resolved.

And, for heavens' sake, why didn't they either meet with our ranking member of the appropriate committee long before this, or wait to meet with the new chairman next January?

JHan

(10,173 posts)
17. I really don't think it was that problematic , and Pelosi has dealt with far worse...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 10:21 AM
Nov 2018

Bear in mind that Tlaib ( who I believe also met with them) is in a heavily polluted district. Both Tlaib and Ocasio-Cortez were being responsive to those who voted for them, Cortez used her fame to draw attention to them in the interest of these young activists. It made headlines. After reading all I have, I think this was a case of a media narrative decided by "Conservatives".

It's no secret that I have no time for Justice Democrats, but they did support AOC so I expected them to "be in her corner".

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Sure. I haven't read much and have no doubt coverage
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:57 AM
Nov 2018

is being twisted by the right, and some left.

The competence of the pros who dealt with this was taken as a given. And with Ocasio's built-in power base, no surprise at all that both Pelosi and Tlaib made time in severely overpacked schedules to turn this into a positive meeting. Of course.

I'm just spouting off about this group's approach, Jhan. Regarding representatives democratically elected by their constituents as opponents and obstacles, unless they've shown that to be so, is to be anti- democracy.

I am glad they got a chance to actually see the top female leader they've been subverted into believing they need to take down -- to mark this year of women's ascension to the halls of power. Sigh.

Cha

(297,687 posts)
7. You know who I think is a "rising Democratic Star"..
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 09:00 PM
Nov 2018


"Justice Democrats" is Cenk's brainchild and I read there was a sign there that said "Step Up or Step Down". Well Nancy already STEPPED UP.


You know some of these people were so concerned about "Climate Change" they bought jill stein's LIES and they enabled the rigging of a Climate Change Denier.

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Sharice is great. I don't know why but I latched onto her campaign a month or two...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 10:07 AM
Nov 2018

...before her primary. She ran a very strong campaign with NO negativity and won, then fought an uphill battle against Yoder. Again with no negativity, just concentrated on the issues. She was out every day campaigning, and her campaign sent out email updates every few days.

Of all the elections around the country, other than my local and state races her, her's is the one I'm happiest about.

I think she's going to be highly successful.

Cha

(297,687 posts)
15. I know what you mean.. Such Positive Energy.. No Whining.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 10:14 AM
Nov 2018

Sharice and her campaign caught my heartstrings, too. It didn't hurt that she worked in President Obama's WH.


JHan

(10,173 posts)
12. one caveat ... the author quoted the Hill Piece which was a bit of sensationalism...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:07 AM
Nov 2018
A piece in the Hill reported that House Democrats had no plans to move on climate change, which appeared nowhere in their list of priorities. Meanwhile, Pelosi, who is very much intent on keeping her speakership, started talking the day after the election about a “bipartisan marketplace of ideas,” which is not exactly what you’d call reading the room.


The hedging was due to the Senate situation and Trump's veto, viewed as "constraints" ( Connolly)

“Considering those “constraints,” said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), Democrats should “focus on the practical and the opportunistic” to make short-term progress while fighting for bolder measures “the aspirational goals” over the longer term. “It’s going to be, I think, more of an opportunistic strategy, where, in various pieces of legislation, across the board, we’re going to insert measures that address climate change,”
 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
19. Uhmmm... what did we miss in 2016? We missed paying attention and following the GOP memes re
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:11 PM
Nov 2018

HRC. We are about to do the same thing with Nancy. HRC's message was drowned out by the media frenzy over Trump and carrying the water for the RW talking points (especially Mika and Joe for example). And there was that constant meme about HRC not having a message. Yet at all the town halls, HRC hit all the major issues in a coherent and simple way for people to understand. But many followed the Pied Piper and focused on the HRC speeches to Wall Street (not even reading or understanding what the speeches actually said)...so now, here we are about to fall for the okie-doke once again.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
20. I also think that much off the animosity toward Nancy is similar
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:14 PM
Nov 2018

to that expressed toward Hillary. Trump hates them because they are both strong, effective women-- and he's convinced many people, including Democrats, that they should be replaced.

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. Bazinga!
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:04 PM
Nov 2018

Two years ago nobody really cared about Clinton's position on the issues, they just cared that she was CLINTON (bad) and she is a WOMAN (bad). Forget the fact that she was right on all the issues, including the progressive issues that those who bashed her were touting.

It's deja vu all over again. Here they're demonstrating in front of Pelosi's office for something that she ALREADY SAID SHE WAS GOING TO DO!!!!!

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