I can't help but wonder if the right wing vote panic in Florida is has something to do with crooked

[Augiedog]

crap done to elect Republicans. I suspect that the notion of impounding the ballot machines is an attempt to cover up manipulations that could be discovered.

The response to this close election is all out of proportion to what Would be normal, although it is Florida.

Demanding that the ballots not be counted, wanting the voting machines impounded and courtroom shenanigans point to election fraud on the part of Governor Scott’s team. Election fraud that may well become exposed if the machines are examined closely.

The coordinated attempt to intimidate, incite and obfuscate the legal and proper count of ballots is just beyond the pale even in a nut house like Florida. There is something else in play here that we have yet to see.

[hlthe2b]

1. Republicans always seem to highlight their own misdeeds via projection, so probably, yes

[bitterross]

24. You are so right about that.

Whenever Trump is accusing the Democrats of fraud, suppression, and theft of votes then I am ALWAYS certain it's because he and the GOP are doing it for real. They just cannot win any other way. Trump, of course, thinks everyone is as crooked and self-centered as him so he believes everyone else is doing the same shady shit he does.

[onetexan]

2. yeap, Scott is crooked as hell. He needs to be investigated.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. The fact that Trump just threw it out there that, maybe, there should be another election...

tells me, yes. They don't want something to turn up.

Probably starting with that Panhandle vote.

[watoos]

4. No Collusion, No Collusion, No Collusion

They already found 1 voting machine that was bad. That's what the Democratic lawyer said on Ari Melber last night.

I find it unbelievable that people did not vote for Senator because it was hidden on the ballot. IMO that is just a right wing narrative to explain away the issue of so many under votes. What was it, 25,000 under votes in a 70% + Democratic district? Calling Steve Kornacki. Steve, it's time to speak the truth about what is going on.

[Botany]

12. And in 2016 in FL Counties with large #s of African Americans there was a 1000% increase ....

.... in the under vote (aka spoiled ballots) too.

[lagomorph777]

14. I believe the bad machine was a tabulator. So it's much worse than a bad voting machine.

And (surprise surprise) it was favoring the Russiapublicans.

[mitch96]

16. "I find it unbelievable that people did not vote for Senator because it was hidden on the ballot."

I voted in Florida, Broward county and on my first pass on the ballot I missed it. .I went over the ballot three times. I found the gov check box just under the instructions in three languages.. Not good.... Snipes screwed the pooch on this mistake... Time for her to go..
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[True Blue American]

5. Why not?

Worked for Bush in 2000.

The mob tried to storm the doors at the BOE, but Security was ramped up. They could not get in this time.

[Nitram]

6. It is difficult to distunguish between a possible coverup off voter fraud and an attempt to

overwhelm local officials with a blizzard of lawsuits and please fo injunctions to prevent a proper recount.

[Racerdog1]

7. GOP in Florida, dirty as they come

Desuckass and pRick scott are nothing but bootlickers in the tRump cult.

[Botany]

8. They win by cheating and do not want their scams exposed

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211416264

[pazzyanne]

17. Hmmm!

Could this apply to Georgia as well? Something is going on there as well.

[Botany]

23. Mail out the absentee ballots with not enough time return them to democratic voters and ....

.... you have now canceled their votes unless the voters go and vote in person
because they knew that their votes woulds not count. This was not just series of
accidents but planned actions to rig the elections.


The GOP knows that the issues and demographics are against them
so they have to cheat, pack the courts, and control much of the media.

[sarge43]

9. Indubitably

We're talking about Florida Repugs here. It's their default because they can't succeed any other way.

[duforsure]

10. Russian involvement

With the help of Scott and trump? Why they are acting out now in desperation to stop it?

[FakeNoose]

11. Democrats from other states need to support the Florida Dems

This is a big issue that's not going away and the Florida Democrats are getting overwhelmed in bullshit.
We would not be "butting in" if we were to offer our help because the FL-GOP is certainly getting help from outside.
Probably Cheeto himself is butting in whenever he can.

[Seiad]

13. Repub MO is to accuse others of the crime / dirty tricks they are committing....

.... so when they accuse dem precincts of voter fraud? I don't know, seems like they are trying to get ahead of the actual charges that might be levied against them soon?

[Ligyron]

22. Yes, it's pure projection on their part.

Oh, and welcome to DU.

[randr]

15. They doth protest too much me thinks

I think you are right. They are afraid of what will turn up under the rug.

[peekaloo]

18. I'm curious to see re: Governor's race if vote totals decrease for

the lesser known candidates.

Best way to "pad" a winner.

DeRacist was very smug in post election interviews but he's been out of sight the last few days.

[wiggs]

19. Trump and Scott are two known, corrupt narcissists. Shouldn't we just trust them? nt

[kentuck]

20. Very possible.

The thought did cross my mind.

[MaryMagdaline]

21. I also don't believe the vote count in the Panhandle

How do they manage to come up with just enough votes in every single election to barely surpass the South Florida vote?

They've already found 15 votes in Bay county that were sent in by fax or e-mail because the Supervisor of Elections permitted people to vote by fax. I'm interested in seeing whether the hand counted votes match up to machine votes.

(Not usually a grassy knoll conspiracist, but I do not trust voting in the Panhandle).

[uponit7771]

25. K&R, Gillum and Nelson have to make up a lot of votes to win so what is Scott scared of? Also notice

... Desantis is relatively quiet.

I'm thinking Scott has done some screwed up crap when it comes to voting and doesn't want anyone to find out.

[Ligyron]

26. There needs to be a standard ballot in use for every county throughout FL.

One where only the names change but the office they are running for are all in the same order or position on the ballot year after year. I'm quite frankly amazed to discover this isn't the case. I'm like, "did I read this right?". Hell, no wonder things are so screwy here.

In fact, to the extent possible, there needs to be a standard ballot in use throughout the US, especially for federal offices if nothing else. Once one is established, it's use can be taught as part of the mandatory, HS civics class which should totally be a requirement as well.

We have to pass a driver's exam to get a license for driving on public roads, right? Same principal should apply to those wishing to vote. Wait, actually, that's a terrible idea which would only provide another way to disenfranchised certain groups of people

[better]

27. Regarding the civics competency test

I have to say I'm not entirely convinced that it is that terrible an idea. I'm very sensitive to the necessity of avoiding anything like a poll tax, but at the same time, it is civic malpractice to not acknowledge that we have a huge problem in this country with votes being cast by people who quite simply lack the requisite knowledge to cast a competent vote. And I don't just mean knowledge of the actual actions taken by representatives/parties, I mean the very most fundamental facts about our government.

For example, there's a guy I've known since kindergarten whose support for Trump was almost entirely predicated upon the notion that "Trump has lots of experience in business, and business is all about checks and balances, so he's what we need in Washington". He legitimately did not grasp that "checks and balances" in the context of our government does not refer to accounting. I've known this guy pretty much my entire life, and I know for certain that he's not racist or bigoted. He's the kind of guy who would give a complete stranger the shirt off his back, and he's naturally inclined to protect the oppressed when he actually sees and recognizes the oppression. But despite his overall good nature, he does nonetheless lack the competence in civics to make responsible choices in how to vote.

At some point, we have to grapple with the unparalleled danger that incompetent voters pose. It's not just to themselves or those in their immediate proximity. Their ignorance, in combination, presents a very real and all too demonstrable threat to the very survival of the entire planet and every living thing on it.

While I am very mindful of the potential for exploitation, I think that we should apply to this the same principle that we apply to other areas of public interest. There's also a legitimate risk that people could abuse the social safety-net, but that risk does not justify not having one. Rather, it necessitates adequate legal protection and enforcement to ensure that it is not abused.

Risk increasing the complexity of doing a thing does not make the thing not necessary.

[byronius]

28. Consulting the Donald Trump Compass says you are correct.

Whatever he's doing, he accuses his opponents of doing. Like clockwork. Like day and night. Axiomatic.

So -- yes. Clearly there's cheating going on to favor Republicans. Scott was convicted of the largest Medicare fraud in history -- election fraud would be no sweat at all.