Steve Kornacki....

[pbmus]

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[Glimmer of Hope]

1. Red flag. Something is not right.

[Squinch]

2. There's always something not right in Florida elections.

[world wide wally]

14. The Florida man jokes almost write themselves

[peace frog]

31. Broward County in particular

[Squinch]

32. Did you see that??? Two big boxes of provisional ballots left uncounted in a polling school.

[Sunsky]

3. We need to get rid of the Jeb Bush appointed

So-called Democratic SOE in Bro ward. I do not trust Brenda.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. I think Rick Scott is a bush family crony too, isn't he ?

[Sunsky]

42. Yes he is

GWB was here fundraising for him.

[PaulX2]

4. Broward County Whoda Guessedit

Something sounds familiar.

They gotta count the rest of the state so they can release the appropriate vote totals.

Ya think.

[Pacifist Patriot]

5. No one can tell me that the county where Parkland is would fail to cast Senate votes.

I find it hard to believe anywhere in the state, but particularly there.

[BigmanPigman]

11. Excellent point!

[DeminPennswoods]

12. The other way around, fewer votes for gov than senate

It's unusual for voters to leave the top line of the ballot unvoted, but vote the rest of the ballot. It is possible that these were voters who liked Nelson, but not Gillam. Read that as you wish.

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. Gov 689,769 and Senate 664,228

The Senate votes are 96.3% of the votes for Governor compared to 99+% in the other counties.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. Good point

[Whiskeytide]

19. Not how I'm reading it. n/t

[Awsi Dooger]

6. That discrepancy makes no sense

I became aware of it late last night. No chance so many voters in heavily blue Broward are going to vote for governor along two newcomer candidates but skip a race involving a long established Democratic senator and two-term governor

[Pacifist Patriot]

17. Especially since the Dem loathing for Gov Voldemort runs so high in this state.

No way they'd pass up a chance to vote against him even if they weren't Nelson fans.

[Awsi Dooger]

24. Picture of the Broward ballot in question

I posted it elsewhere but doubling up is proper, given the significance. Senate race is low on the first column beneath lengthy ballot instructions, but hardly hidden. I just hope some voters didn't get so excited at seeing the governor race on top the second column that they never looked low on column one:

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[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. Could see that happening for sure. But can anything be done about that?

[Awsi Dooger]

34. Not this time

Can't assign votes to Nelson simply because of how many votes Gillum received in the same country/district.

Ballot instructions should always be on a separate prior page.

Sickening again. In 2000 the Palm Beach butterfly ballot got all the attention but I think it was something like 38 different Florida counties had screwed up ballots, leading to overvoting more than undervoting. Gore was losing net votes all over the state. That 38 is from memory but I think it is close.

This article references all the overvotes in counties besides Palm Beach. I have no idea why we don't have specialists who examine ballots and either recommend changes or advise our voters toward potential problems ahead of time:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/ten-years-later-infamous-2000-election-ballot-recount-still-defines-palm-beach-county-many/uscC5niN1BtOOs7d33V8GL/

"The closeness of that election, and the subsequent official recounts and media re-examinations, revealed that tens of thousands of Floridians threw their votes away that day by overvoting - voting for more than one candidate in the 10-candidate field. There would be nearly 22,000 of these overvoters alone in Jacksonville’s Duval County and 19,120 more in Palm Beach County, where 23 percent of the ballots cast in Pahokee, Belle Glade and South Bay were invalidated this way."

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. Wow. So that's what I was thinking...how it was

Almost more critical to get a Dem gov in FL ..to fix this mess.
Sickening.

I will never ever believe Kerry didn't really win Florida.

[llmart]

33. Why on earth wouldn't they run the instructions horizontally across the top...

and then start the voting portion vertically underneath the instructions?

Also, didn't Florida have an awfully lot of proposals this time?

[Awsi Dooger]

36. Ballot measures were plentiful but at end of the ballot

After the individual races and yes/no on judges, etc.

I don't know why this would happen in Broward and not elsewhere. There had to be lengthy ballot instructions in every county and not every local official would format the ballot well, no matter which way they lean or whether anything was intentional. There are varying levels of competence in that position along with any other position.

[llmart]

38. My son lives in Orlando and his ballot...

had the instructions across the top, 3 pages, 13 proposals, but under the instructions was listed the Senate race, then the Rep.'s race then the Governor. It was very clear.

[unitedwethrive]

35. Do they send out sample ballots prior to the election?

In California, we get samples to fill out and take to the polls, so it 1) familiarizes the voters with the ballot, and 2) makes it easy to transfer the intended votes from one ballot to the other.

[llmart]

39. You could go on the website and see your ballot beforehand.

I do understand that many older folks may not know how to do that though.

[Awsi Dooger]

41. Yes, but the sample ballot is not the same format and lacks instructions

I happen to have it and am looking at it right now. I will try to take a picture and attach it either to this post or a subsequent post.

It is helpful but not close to the same format. Everything is jammed together in small tabloid form like a newspaper insert. In fact, I think that's what this was. It had not arrived when I filled out my absentee ballot or before I left on my 16 day trip on October 17. That's why I voted absentee for the first time. But once I returned I saw the Sample Ballot and decided to keep it, for whatever reason.

Actually it is an improvement from past years, listing all the early voting sites along with election day specifics and arguments regarding the ballot measure.

Nevada was king in Sample Ballots and explaining every ballot measure. They gave a point, then counterpoint, then rebuttal for every one.

Okay, I managed to take a picture. You'll note the English and Spanish and also a complete lack of any ballot instructions. It starts smack with the senate race. This from page 2 of the insert. Front page is merely description of content, with no instructions. In short, anyone voting absentee or arriving at the election day voting booth or early voting site is not seeing everything identical to how it is presented on the Sample Ballot.

Might have to clink on this to view:

https://ibb.co/jxg7vA

[VOX]

7. Round up the usual suspects.

Seems like every Florida election brings the same confusion and incompetence.

[Tom Rinaldo]

8. That is easily explained

Unlike Republicans, Democratic voters didn't care which party controlled the Senate.

[genxlib]

9. Kicked for attention

We always make things interesting don't we.

[uponit7771]

10. HERE WE GO AGAIN !!!

[world wide wally]

13. That's just the 24 boxes they misplaced so they could get to the victory party

[PatSeg]

16. That is so, so Florida!

[IronLionZion]

18. There is always something fishy going on in Florida

and they don't do a very good job of hiding it

[Thunderbeast]

20. Hanging chads...butterfly ballots.

https://goo.gl/images/N9sLKW

[11 Bravo]

21. Hmm, who could oversee a fair and unbiased recount?

I know ... Katherine Harris is tanned, rested, and ready! And Moxie and Spunk will be right there with her!

[FakeNoose]

22. Whatever you do, don't call SCOTUS!

Just sayin'

[BlueInRedHell]

23. Isn't *that* the truth!

I feel like it probably isn't a good idea to involve the SC in anything anymore.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. DUzy

[SergeStorms]

25. I noticed that election night...

that there was an under-vote in more than one county. Gilum had under-votes in a few counties. Either people weren't voting for Governor, or they weren't voting for Senator on the same ballot. It didn't make sense, and I'm glad they're going to get to the bottom of it!

[question everything]

26. From 2000 and still valid

[nolabear]

40. Who loves ya NOW, Steve?

He’s got numbers clout. I hope he keeps it up.