I Going Out On a Limb Here Regarding the CA Shooter

[DoctorJoJo]

Anyone want to bet the shooter was a Trumpster upset about the election results and picked "College Night" at a local bar, specifically because college students tend to vote Democrat?

[flibbitygiblets]

1. In this case looks like a US Marine vet with PTSD

will we hear about how we'll be doing more to treat injured soldiers?

I think we all know the answer to that question

[LanternWaste]

4. The one does not deny the other...

[flibbitygiblets]

9. He was in another bar fight recently, and it's a conservative area/university

I'd think he'd have different targets if he were going against likely Democratic youths

Again this is all speculation so far but I've seen/read nothing to support Trumpist motivations.

[smirkymonkey]

11. Also, it was a country/western themed bar.

Not really the type of place that attracts liberals either.

[flibbitygiblets]

15. That's because liberals have taste

Sorry to offend anyone but good lord I HATE country music.

[Tipperary]

22. Many liberals like country music.

[LisaM]

27. I like some country music, but to the larger point...

these were just college students out dancing, listening to live music, and having a good time the way many of us did in college. I don't like metal music or pyrotechnics, but it pained me when there was that big fire in New Jersey and a lot of people in a performance space died.

[Dave Starsky]

31. I am as liberal as can be, and I LOVE country music.

Cash, Cline, Haggard, George, Tammy, Dolly, Waylon, Willie... too many others to mention. Theirs is the music of honest struggle and pain. I invite everyone to look up their catalog and listen to it.

Today's "country music" is just ordinary pop music with a Southern accent attached to it. It sounds (and is) so phony.

[violetpastille]

34. I don't like country music post Hee-Haw.

[Dave Starsky]

35. And what was it about Hee Haw that put you off?

Aside from the corny humor.

With the exception of the Hager Brothers (how in the hell did those guys get a regular gig?), they had some great country artists on that show.

[violetpastille]

41. I should rephrase that.

I don't like any country music A.HH.E. (After Hee Haw Era)

B. HH. E. It's a little much too twangy and washtub for me.

I lived in a small town as a kid and some days all I could pick up on the rabbit ears was the local station that played reruns of Hee-Haw and I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
I thought the women (the "Honeys&quot were the apex of glamor, and I loved the musicianship.

I was young so the humor was pretty much at my level.

It was a golden age.

Now country is overproduced and is trying hard to be urban with hip hop inflections and failing miserably at it.

I'm grown up now with internet and choices and mostly listen to Neo Soul. But I still and will always love Doug Kershaw and Tammy Wynette.

[Dave Starsky]

43. I grew up in a town with one television station.

If you didn't watch Hee Haw and The Lawrence Welk Show every Saturday night, you didn't watch TV on Saturday night.

I know what you mean about the comedy on Hee Haw being right at a kid's level. Lots of corny jokes and puns.

[flibbitygiblets]

36. Mostly agree with you on this post

I don't care for country (to each his/her own), but I do have an appreciation for the classics. The new stuff is just gawd-awful. IMO.

[smirkymonkey]

24. Ugh, so do I.

It physically pains me to have to listen to it. My sister and her husband (hardcore republicans) love it and I have to beg them to turn it off when I am in their house or car. I don't know why I hate it so much, but it makes me want to scream.

[flibbitygiblets]

38. OMG me too--it makes me furious to be "subjected" to it. Not entirely sure why.

My best guess is that it's associated with dumb-ness and rednecks (again, sorry to offend). I can elaborate that my family of origin, reasonably intelligent people, listened to country music, and some of them even started affecting southern drawls to an extent. (They live in Sacramento, so I have no idea how this happens, but believe it, it does.) They seemed to revel in dumbing things down, making fun of people who had nice things, and even gave me crap for trying to crawl out of poverty and educate myself. (I persevered despite their derision, and rarely speak to any of them today.)

Well I guess maybe I do know why I hate country music after all.

[Dave Starsky]

40. Tell me if you disagree with anything in this song.

It is one of the.greatest country music songs ever, by one of its greatest artists. Let me know if you feel it's been "dumbed down".

[smirkymonkey]

42. Ok, I just came across this little tidbit on "Cracked".

A humor website. It explains a lot.



Not sure how true it is, but I certainly believe it. It depresses the hell out of me.

[MFM008]

33. ugh country music

BUT
At this point though anything is possible,
he could have been tweaked he didn't get his paper today,
anything is possible, if there is a political motive it will come out.

[Richard D]

21. Thousand Oaks voted for Obama

By 2000 more votes.

[FarPoint]

2. No....

Just a PTSD military fella

[33taw]

3. Maybe, but he has a history of PTSD from his tour/tours in Afghanistan.

I would hate to speculate at this point.

[JI7]

5. no

[MaryMagdaline]

6. This is a conservative area near a conservative University

During country night at the bar. This guy’s been in another bar fight. Anger or PTSD issues I suspect rather than political. My guess.

[Adrahil]

7. Possible, but looking like a guy with mental health issues and mad at the world in general. NT

[fgeorge468]

8. Gun Control

I wish people would just realize we need better gun control so that these things will stop happening.

[USALiberal]

13. Most shooters obtain the gun legally. No way to stop a lone nutjob! Nt

[HopeAgain]

29. Then let's limitt the legal guns out there...

Maybe not everyone should be armed?

[USALiberal]

32. I agree, but the criteria is the issue. Who decides? Nt

[lunatica]

10. He had priors when his parents called the police asking for

A psychological evaluation.

[grantcart]

12. why not just wait for facts?

[USALiberal]

14. "Discussion Board", read about it! Nt

[grantcart]

16. So is it going to be a "Widely based conjecture discussion board" or a

"a well informed discussion board based on facts that will become known in a few hours?"


These wild conjectures that are based on zero facts do nothing to advance the credibility of the board.


So why not wait until facts are established and then discuss it rather than rush with completely unfounded conjecture? What is the reason to rush to conclusions when appropriate facts will be in hand relatively shortly? Within the other shooting/bombing we knew the facts within a few hours of the event. Rushing to unfounded conclusions advance nothing.


That is what I am discussing, your patronizing snarky response speaks for itself, End of discussion.

[USALiberal]

19. The other numerous posts with different ideas proves my point!!! Nt

[Hekate]

17. No. As it is in my county, I plan to wait for actual facts. nt

[hardluck]

39. Exactly

So easy to speculate when it’s somewhere else. We know people who worked there, so I think we’ll wait for facts instead of wallowing in idle speculation.

(He wasn’t working yesterday night and his girlfriend who was is ok)

[Squinch]

18. Also, there will be a history of hating or abusing women.

[catsudon]

20. nope

i dont think so, a country / western bar with kids wearing republican shirts?

[Tipperary]

25. I agree. Probably gonna turn out to be a personal grudge.

It will come out eventually.

[.99center]

30. That didn't stop that rw extremist from shooting up a country concert.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/19/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooter-conspiracy-theories-documents-explained

New documents suggest Las Vegas shooter was conspiracy theorist – what we know

In the documents, those who encountered gunman Stephen Paddock say he expressed conspiratorial, anti-government beliefs characteristic of the far right

In a handwritten statement, one woman says she sat near Paddock in a diner just a few days before the shooting, while out with her son. She said she heard him and a companion discussing the 25th anniversary of the Ruby Ridge standoff and the Waco siege. (Each of these incidents became touchstones for a rising anti-government militia movement in the 1990s.)

She says she heard him and his companion saying that courtroom flags with golden fringes are not real flags. The belief that gold-fringed flags are those of a foreign jurisdiction, or “admiralty flags”, is characteristic of so-called “sovereign citizens”, who believe, among other things, that the current US government, and its laws, are illegitimate.

Another man, himself currently in jail, says he met Paddock three weeks before the shooting for an abortive firearms transaction, in the carpark of a Bass Pro Shop. The man was selling schematic diagrams for an auto sear, a device that would convert semi-automatic weapons to full automatic fire. Paddock asked him to make the device for him, and the man refused.

At this point Paddock launched into a rant about “anti-government stuff … Fema camps”. Paddock said that the evacuation of people by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) after Hurricane Katrina was a a “dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and ... confiscating guns”.

“Somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves,” the man says Paddock told him. “Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.”

[Kaleva]

23. By taking out security first, my guess is this was being planed long before the election

[gopiscrap]

26. wouldn't surprise me in the least

[Thunderbeast]

28. Recent mental health contacts

No tools to help people in psychotic crisis. Recent police visits with Crisis Intervention Team (CIT) talked him down, but had no authority to compel treatment against his will.

I value civil liberties, but our willingness to let the mentally ill die "with their rights on" takes a huge toll on the community as well as the sick individual.

We must help these folks get treatment. Sometimes that means the uncomfortable step of civil commitment.

We don't do it because it provides an excuse not to fund the rehabs and long-term facilities that are, sadly, necessary for some.

Mentally ill citizens are far more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators. The barriers to treatment are too high. We must, however, help those who have little or no awareness of their own fragile condition.

[rsdsharp]

37. I haven't seen anything from Trump on this shooting.

His response to Tree of Life was that they should have had an armed security guard. The first thing this guy did was shoot the security guard outside, then enter, turn right, and shoot more security and other employees.

AND there were six off-duty officers in the bar while the whole thing went down.