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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA very real path to taking the Senate has opened up with recent polls
First the bump
A large number of polls have a significant numbers of polls showing a 3-4% bump. Four polls have just come in showing Nelson with a 4-7% advantage over Scott.
Also showing
McCaskill + 3
Menendez +15
Klobuchar +23
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
If we lose ND (and Jon Ralston thinks that Heidkamp is still in contention due to the very problematic nature of polling in ND and her past record) and defend all of our other Senate seats then all we need is TN or TX to take the Senate.
It appears that the shootings/bombings and the renouncement of birth right citizenship was the straw that broke the back of a lot GOP/Undecideds.
This kind of bump at the end of the campaign is really unheard of and reflects a total 4-5 million voters. Also because polls are a snapshot of a move it means that the momentum of the actual move is likely to be higher.
As Sunonmars thread shows 538 notes a consistent and widespread move
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211367533
Link to tweet
That push will move seats like Tester/McCaskill/Nelson/Donelly to safety
If they all hold and we take NV/AZ then all we need for 51 in the Senate is either TN or TX.
If we take ND then we only need one of them.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)She is awesome. And wicked smart.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)grin anyone's ever seen just to piss of the Repukes a bit more.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)a kennedy
(29,707 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Want to see an even bigger one this time.
0rganism
(23,970 posts)onetexan
(13,058 posts)Nancy is the Gal with the Gavel.
Bradshaw3
(7,529 posts)When she had the gavel before.
Basement Beat
(659 posts)hoped to see the Dems go another direction besides Pelosi - but that was short lived. An effective fighter that ALSO pisses and scares the republicans off sounds like a great fit.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)But if the house is blue I want Hillary nominated to the Speakership...because it will scare the everliving fuck out if the GOP if she's in the Line.
It's a pipedream I know, but it would be the first real justice inflicted on this Russian resident and his party of Enablers.
onetexan
(13,058 posts)already a member of the House?
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)If we should take both houses of Congress, then I'll do my happy dance.
BlueInRedHell
(100 posts)happens. I'll then hope that we can begin to undo the evil Trump and his minions have perpetrated against our country.
Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)BlueInRedHell
(100 posts)dalton99a
(81,578 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Vote them out.
spanone
(135,874 posts)YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)And most of the new voters breaking for Democrats, but its certainly possible
grantcart
(53,061 posts)The phrase "run the table" exists, because every once in a while somebody does it.
If Be to takes TX then we take the Senate.
Cruz's political career is over and. A wave of optimism will return
MissB
(15,812 posts)Still wont make up for 2016.
Basement Beat
(659 posts)Those phases exist for a reason.
I'm ready to break open some whiskey just in case some surprise "upsets" happen in our favor.
Who am I kidding, I'm drinking the whiskey starting at 8pm no matter what.
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)TX or TN and I think we got it.
TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)MissB
(15,812 posts)Drive around our quiet suburban neighborhood and honked their truck horn in celebration. Tomorrow, Id be thrilled to return the fucking favor.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)I aready beleive that FL is ours due to fundamental shift in hispanic population including cuban americans away from gop. I do think we have a decent chance in all of the above states because they are not as prone to extreme voter suppression efforts as some other states. When the entire state votes and we reach out to millions of voters who did not vote before or intermittently, the outcome changes dramatically that no poll can capture. I still beleive that majority of eligible voters in every state are decent people and if 90%+ of eligible voters vote, we can win even in red state. House races worry me much more due to expansive gerrymandering.
Always remember if Doug Jones, a strong pro-choice candidate won in AL running against the most trumpian republican, we can win anywhere if wr turn out each and every time.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)winning AZ, NV, MO, IN and FL. That could lead to a 50-50 Senate and power sharing at the committee level.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)I know the veep breaks ties on votes on legislation, but not for committee makeup?
StevieM
(10,500 posts)The GOP held the majority leader post until Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont became an independent who caucused with the Democrats.
The VP doesn't affect committee make up, which I believe will be split evenly if the Senate is split evenly.
Of course, the Trump will probably scream that it is unfair and demand full control.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Maybe we should start sending flowers to Lisa Murkowski?
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I am very hopeful for the House, the Senate will be much tougher.
Salviati
(6,008 posts)I wouldn't count on the republicans to agree that the sky is blue these days. I would expect them to use the VP vote to break any ties and to not share any power.
If they aren't constitutionally mandated to share power then they won't.
BumRushDaShow
(129,459 posts)for Committee Chair purposes.
Meaning that everyone on this board should realize that this bizarre case after the 2000 election -
What happens if the Senate splits 50-50 next year?
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, about the prospects of a 50-50 split in the Senate next year (ed. in 2016). In his view, Senate leaders would deal with that outcome by using the same kind of power-sharing agreement that was reached the last time this happened.
We know we had that 16 years ago -- the Senate, after the 2000 election, was 50-50, he told reporters at a press conference. I think if we ended up 50-50, that we would simply replicate what we did in 2000.
After the 2000 election, then-Democratic Leader Tom Daschle acknowledged that incoming Vice President Dick Cheney, with his ability to cast tie-breaking votes, would technically make Republicans the majority. But because of the even split on Capitol Hill, Daschle demanded that all Senate committees be equally divided between each partys members as well as their staffs and resources. He also considered pushing for Democrats to co-chair committees.
A few weeks before the inauguration, Daschle reached a power-sharing agreement with Republican Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, that required that Senate committees have an equal number of members from each party with staffing and funding levels divided down the middle.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-if-the-senate-splits-50-50-next-year/
will most likely NEVER happen again, not only because of what is highlighted above, but because the GOP threw all the rule books out when they took over in 2014, and the bitterness and rancor is too vast and too deep.
Salviati
(6,008 posts)I know mcconell is quoted as taking that as a guide if the senate were to wind up evenly split this year, but that is so much turtleshit.
If the republicans are not constitutionally bound to give up an inch then they will not, and if they are, they will fight it tooth and nail, and if they are forced to in the end, they'll use a crooked ruler.
BumRushDaShow
(129,459 posts)Exactly. And they will be ugly and nasty about it too.
They have internalized that famous quote from Yoda -
KentuckyWoman
(6,692 posts)Hoping yes. But not buying.
Because not in 1000 million years would I expect we ended up with President Trump. He's exactly the same now as he was running for election. Why would America elect him and reject him now?
Onward AND Upward
(122 posts)something other than this:
KentuckyWoman
(6,692 posts)Do we have amazing ideas? Yes
Do we have amazing candidates? Yes
Do we have an amazing bunch of volunteers and support staff to GOTV? Hell Yes.
Do I believe for one second the idiots who voted Trump are having any sort of change of heart? NO, HELL NO, and WTF NO.
They knew exactly what they were getting. He's the same asshole he ever was. This is what they voted for. My guess is they'll run out and vote straight Republican because OMG brown people invasions and eeek Nancy Pelosi might force affordable medical care on us.
At any rate, I wish I could be more optimistic, I really do. In my heart I know we all have more in common than we don't. It would be so easy to pull together if we would just stop listening the lies peddled to divide us and have respectful conversations about the future of our country. But I don't see that happening in my lifetime. The pendulum will still swing about some but generally it's been shifting right a long time. And here we are, the worst kind of American is the top dog.
That the younger folks feel more hope than I do is fantastic. It's their time now. And with all my heart, I hope we can figure out a way to neuter the disgusting filth that got Trump elected in the first place
SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)yardwork
(61,707 posts)Got the retired folks riled up.
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)We are actually polling higher than repugs in 65 and higher group. Havent seen that for a long tine.
yardwork
(61,707 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)The attack on birth right citizenship.
Alarms about SS and Medicare have been used before and I feel have become immune to it.
dameatball
(7,399 posts)irrelevant to TN voters. Only party. I still think we take at least one of the two.
Onward AND Upward
(122 posts)ND tribes were the votes that elected senator Heitkamp. Similar to Murkowski in Alaska. They are working 24/7 with an Indian non-profit called Fourdirections to GOTV, in ND and AZ, as well as other states.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211360747
Donate to the link in the above post if you can. They will have the ID's and resources to GOTV for 2020 as well. They'e got some serious momentum, and just need us to fuel the drive!
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)I've been burned by too many polls being "wrong" ..Tory government in UK, Brexit, Trump... so I'll hope and pray. MASA - Make America Sane Again.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)If the cities come out in Indiana, Democrats usually win. Donnelly isn't unpopular-- it's all "Trump" on the GOP side, not any enthusiasm for his truly unpleasant opponent (Mike Braun).
Pence (who was an unpopular governor just before he was VP) seems to have utterly no influence here. There are a whole lot of Trumpers, and he's been here three times (Pence usually trailing doglike behind him), but I don't think anyone ELSE would be pulled over to vote because of him (Except in opposition).
Who knows, but there's been a good amount of early voting, and that usually favors Democrats.
moose65
(3,168 posts)He has the personality of a used paper towel.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)I believe that Heidi Heitkamp will win as well as Beto..so that's it..
Cruz knows he is going to lose this one. His aides have told him not to renew his lease in D.C
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watoos
(7,142 posts)Cable news is all right wing and has been pushing the narrative that the Senate was not in play.
I never believed them.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What I heard was that technically, it was "possible," but as a practical matter, not likely. That is still true.
They're just going by the numbers. Facts & probabilities.
I never heard anyone say it wasn't possible. The media always said it WAS possible...just not likely. As opposed to the House, where it was LIKELY we'd take it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)a kennedy
(29,707 posts)Onward AND Upward
(122 posts)RIGHT NOW, there is ONLY time for ACTION!!! Look for ways to help GOTV! Fill your time with writing encouraging, funny, helpful or informative posts. Drive neighbors who need rides to the polls. Stay at your polling place all day and night tommorrow with a sign offering the 1-866-OUR-VOTE phone number to voters who were told they couldnt vote. FOCUS and take on this task. It's that simple!
There will be time to wallow in our emotions on wed., or the coming weeks, if CA becomes the deciding House factor.
Roadside Attraction
(238 posts)I wonder what's the chance of this scenario developing.
-- Democrats will take the House and damn near every committee will open at least one investigation into some part of the Trump criminal enterprise.
-- As the investigations proceed, the public will see the evil that is Trump.
-- Trump's favorables will sink into the toilet.
-- Republicans keep the Senate, but, as the Democrat-led House investigations reveal the true nature of Trump and his gang, a LOT of Senate Republicans become disgusted.
-- The fact that Republicans must defend 22 Senate seats in 2020 (to Democrats' 11) will weigh heavily on Senate Republicans.
-- Senate Republicans will realize: (1) Trump is a dead weight on their party; (2) Republican Senators are in trouble.
-- All this will lead Senate Republicans to launch their own investigations into Trump, to save their own asses.
We can always hope.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)We have to establish a fact based argument
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)What a weasel.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I have no trouble dismissing late polls that makes no sense.
Florida is a razor tight state and Republicans are incredibly well organized here, as evidenced by the registration gains since 2016 and the early voting particulars.
I'll be thrilled if Rick Scott loses by exactly the tight margins that he won by in 2010 and 2014, somewhere around a point or point and a half.
kevink077
(365 posts)Dems win:
MO, MT, IN , WV, AZ, NV, and TX
I do believe Beto will win Texas
Dems fall short in ND.
I am on the fence about TN but that would be even better...
xmas74
(29,676 posts)on the Senate race with the way the polls have been. I have heard this from several people that there is a probability unless it is a definitive win we should expect a recount with no declared winner for a few days.
Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump heard that's caused him to, for a few seconds anyway, wish he'd talked nicer.
Might have nothing to do with the senate, of course. Trump apparently has belatedly come to realize what midterms are.