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Floyd R. Turbo

(26,547 posts)
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 09:51 AM Oct 2018

Rabbi cites Jesus in prayer for synagogue victims with Pence

WASHINGTON (AP) — A rabbi invited to pray at a Michigan campaign stop with Vice President Mike Pence on Monday referenced “Jesus the Messiah” at the event.

Rabbi Loren Jacobs of Messianic congregation Shema Yisrael offered prayers for the victims of the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre. Messianic Jews follow Jewish law but believe that Jesus is the Messiah.

The major denominations of Judaism reject Messianic Judaism as a form of Judaism, and Jacobs’ participation was condemned by Jews on social media.

A Pence aide told The Associated Press that Jacobs was invited to pray at the event in suburban Detroit’s Waterford Township by GOP congressional candidate Lena Epstein and said Pence did not know who he was when he invited Jacobs back onstage to offer another a prayer for the victims, their families and the nation. As Pence stood next to him, Jacobs ended his prayer by saying, “in the name of Jesus.”

https://www.apnews.com/eaa1731b4eb64caf90484ce41da62528

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Rabbi cites Jesus in prayer for synagogue victims with Pence (Original Post) Floyd R. Turbo Oct 2018 OP
This is a Jews for Jesus member Gothmog Oct 2018 #1
Pence wants everyone to be like him Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #12
Josh Marshall has a post about this called "Fake Jews." enough Oct 2018 #2
They are shameless malaise Oct 2018 #3
Jacobs has ties to wacko televangelism of the worst kind musette_sf Oct 2018 #4
These assholes never consider anyone but their base YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #5
Pence, like Trump, is sending a message. Girard442 Oct 2018 #6
he's not a rabbi Mosby Oct 2018 #7
Honoring Pittsburgh synagogue victims, Pence appears with 'rabbi' who preaches Jesus is the Messiah mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2018 #8
Most of us Jews don't have much respect for "Messianic Jews" mucifer Oct 2018 #9
Jews for Jesus are not Jews leftynyc Oct 2018 #10
"Messianic Jews" are just right-wing Christians, renamed. MineralMan Oct 2018 #11

Gothmog

(145,276 posts)
1. This is a Jews for Jesus member
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 09:56 AM
Oct 2018

I am very offended by Pence pulling this stunt. This group believes that they can hasten the return of jesus by converting Jews to Christianity. They are not liked in the Jewish community


Hermit-The-Prog

(33,347 posts)
12. Pence wants everyone to be like him
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 01:19 PM
Oct 2018

Pence has no business being in government; he wants to push his religion on everyone else.

enough

(13,259 posts)
2. Josh Marshall has a post about this called "Fake Jews."
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 09:58 AM
Oct 2018
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fake-jews


By Josh Marshall
October 29, 2018 11:01 pm
In Michigan today, Vice President Pence held a rally for congressional candidates Mike Bishop and Lena Epstein. In tow, he brought a rabbi to offer a benediction and prayer of mourning for the eleven Jews killed in the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre. Only it wasn’t a rabbi, or at least not one who would be recognized as such by American Jews. Rabbi Loren Jacobs is a “Messianic Jew”, better known as ‘Jews for Jesus’. If this isn’t something you’re familiar with these are Jews by ancestry who maintain the trappings of Judaism and some of the ritual law while accepting Jesus as the Messiah and the entirety of Christian theology. They make up an incalculably small number of American Jews and are largely supported, subsidizedand advanced by evangelical groups hoping to convert Jews to Christianity.

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musette_sf

(10,201 posts)
4. Jacobs has ties to wacko televangelism of the worst kind
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:04 AM
Oct 2018

Jacobs is tied to grifter "Rabbi" Jonathan Cahn, another "Messianist" who guests with Jim Bakker (yes, THAT Jim Bakker) on the regular.

On Jacobs' "Shema Yisreal" website, he quotes an “outstanding editorial” by grifter Cahn:
https://www.shema.com/religious-corruption-223/?fbclid=IwAR2Kpn1GBGlc07vpcvP27nqA__EliF9G1QLMoZeQoEXrfd0pzm06ZH-uixY

I call Cahn "Rabbi Bluto" for obvious reasons:


Girard442

(6,075 posts)
6. Pence, like Trump, is sending a message.
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:16 AM
Oct 2018
We dislike Jews so much we can't even stand to have a real one pray with us.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,459 posts)
8. Honoring Pittsburgh synagogue victims, Pence appears with 'rabbi' who preaches Jesus is the Messiah
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 12:32 PM
Oct 2018
David Fahrenthold Retweeted:

He did not name the individual victims of the Pittsburgh massacre, but named four Republican candidates. “I pray for them and for the Republican Party and its candidates so that they would honor you and your ways, that you might grant them victory in this election.”



Honoring Pittsburgh synagogue victims, Pence appears with ‘rabbi’ who preaches, ‘Jesus is the Messiah’


mucifer

(23,545 posts)
9. Most of us Jews don't have much respect for "Messianic Jews"
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 12:37 PM
Oct 2018

They try to get us to believe in Jesus so our souls will be saved.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. Jews for Jesus are not Jews
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 12:52 PM
Oct 2018

If you believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, you're a Christian. Jews are still waiting for the messiah so yeah, this is a big deal.

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