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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:24 AM Oct 2018

The underlying obscene insidiousness of Trump's response to the MAGAbomber

It took me a few days to really process the MAGAbomber story and Trump’s response to it.

I knew it bothered me but I really wasn’t able to put a finger on why it disturbed me so much.

I think I know why now.

14 bombs (so far) were sent out, to prominent Democrats, by a genuine, bonafide Trump supporter.

The bomber’s van was covered in stickers supporting Trump and echoing his rhetoric against many of the intended targets.

One of the most prominent stickers read, “I am Donald Trump and I Approve This Message.”

Now, if I were in a situation where someone who claims to be a fan and follower of mine and literally acting in my name to threaten and terrorize others, I would be aghast and embarassed by that. I would do all that I could do distance myself from that, to say that’s not what I stand for. I would especially make sure to convey that message to the people targeted by these actions.

Trump never did that. Instead, he blamed the media, who by the way was also targeted by this terrorist.

He never called any of the targets to apologize or offer words of comfort or dissassoction.

He never even mentioned them by name.

Not once.

Two of the targets were former Presidents and he never mentioned them by name.

It’s just so incredibly unhuman. It’s so pathologically abnormal.

And that really disturbs me.

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The underlying obscene insidiousness of Trump's response to the MAGAbomber (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2018 OP
We have to assume the worst: he's sending a message of approval. Girard442 Oct 2018 #1
Do not forget the events that followed the "Reichstad Fire" in 1933 Left-over Oct 2018 #9
Yes, silence IS tacit agreement Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #22
You put it into words very well! lastlib Oct 2018 #2
Well written, sir PJMcK Oct 2018 #3
The republican-russians have the Tyrant* they want Achilleaze Oct 2018 #4
Narcissistic Personality Disorder SimpleC Oct 2018 #5
And I'd add going on the offensive towards the intended victims. Lars39 Oct 2018 #6
He is not a normal mperson, he's far less than a normal human, he's totally broken inside and out. lark Oct 2018 #7
He's tickled pink that someone is acting in his name. geardaddy Oct 2018 #8
He probably thinks he has some new-found power and it has made him smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #11
Yes, it is terrifying. geardaddy Oct 2018 #12
.. shit eating grin orange.. Cha Oct 2018 #30
Exactly. geardaddy Oct 2018 #34
Exactly. geardaddy Oct 2018 #35
Spot on, Cha. n/t geardaddy Oct 2018 #36
Exactly, Cha. geardaddy Oct 2018 #37
lol No worries. Cha Oct 2018 #38
this is what happens when we have psychopath as president who is incapable of empathy. nt Javaman Oct 2018 #10
"They wanted me to call......" MyOwnPeace Oct 2018 #13
Fraud is a Sociopath. The brilliant Cha Oct 2018 #29
I will add to that my opinion mercuryblues Oct 2018 #14
They elected a true solipsist. marble falls Oct 2018 #15
and now he's distracting again Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #16
He cannot EVER admit any mistake. It is exactly pathological. Caliman73 Oct 2018 #17
"Pathologically abnormal." Harker Oct 2018 #18
Tommy, something that concerns me a lot is..... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #19
Good follow-up article on the bomb suspect... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #20
Me too--can't believe how un-human he is. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #21
I was going to say methane. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #23
*heeee!* BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #24
Thread winner. MontanaMama Oct 2018 #27
The first thing I thought when I saw that "I am Trump" ET Awful Oct 2018 #25
He went right back to that "pocohontas" stuff Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #26
Fraud was asked by a reporter if he Cha Oct 2018 #28
Precisely stated...and exactly what a lot of people feel pioche4 Oct 2018 #31
You can measure a man by the degree of empathy he exhibits bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #32
Trump's reactions to almost everything are typical of the sociopath that he is mtnsnake Oct 2018 #33
As far as I can tell, area51 Oct 2018 #39

lastlib

(23,242 posts)
2. You put it into words very well!
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:31 AM
Oct 2018


I have also had such sentiments, but haven't been able to verbalize it as you have here. Very well done, Tommy!

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
3. Well written, sir
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:41 AM
Oct 2018

Trump is incapable of seeing or experiencing anything except his own ego.

As you wrote, he's "pathologically abnormal."

It's infuriating and demoralizing.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
4. The republican-russians have the Tyrant* they want
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:42 AM
Oct 2018

...to prosecute their War on American Decency & Democracy.

* in this case a five-time republican draft-dodging coward, liar, and cheater with a long history of broken promises, moral turpitude, and gross manipulation of submissive lackeys.

 

SimpleC

(279 posts)
5. Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:54 AM
Oct 2018

I've mentioned it a few times...

trump has a mental disorder... he honestly doesn't understand the negative backlash he's getting and blaming it on others.

trump securing the gop nomination and then later gaining the office has just reinforced his core belief that he is indeed, perfect, and therefore above critism by people he deems below him.

The average layman just doesn't understand or see the true genius that he is. That's why he loves his rallies, dumb people show up to cheer his stable genius mind. <sarcasm>

The GOP support him mainly because they know he has no moral compass and they can hash together any law, kiss his ass a little, maybe stroke his ego, say it'll hurt Democrats, and trump will sign it without fail. He's an idiot, but the GOP believe him to be a useful idiot. Imagine being a legislator and having access to a rubber stamp approval for every lunatic idea you have.

You know trump doesn't read the things he signs, all indications point to the conclusion that he barely reads. His literacy level is about elementary school level.

trump is a tool, the people we really need to fear are the people around him who can and do read.

lark

(23,105 posts)
7. He is not a normal mperson, he's far less than a normal human, he's totally broken inside and out.
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:39 AM
Oct 2018

He's so extremely defective, he doesn't even understand what the words sympathy or empathy mean and has certainly never even felt a spark of one of those. He has a low cunning and is a manipulator, those are his only people skills. Otherwise, he's defective through and through, dispicable, sexual assaulter, misogynist, racist hater big time, fraud, cheat, criminal, traitor and most recently Russian asset. he's going to PA not for the victims, they told him not to come on the day of a funeral, but he's going because they said not to because he's not wanted, he's making a point for his raging minions that he and they can do what they want and we can't stop them. He revels in this all day while sitting around in his robe, watching Faux Snooze and eating KFC or McDonalds.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
8. He's tickled pink that someone is acting in his name.
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 11:12 AM
Oct 2018

In his mind, it shows subservience to him and that gives him complete satisfaction.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. He probably thinks he has some new-found power and it has made him
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 11:41 AM
Oct 2018

giddy. He can actually command people to kill for him. He can have other people wipe out his enemies for him. It's actually pretty terrifying.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
37. Exactly, Cha.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:36 AM
Oct 2018

Last edited Wed Oct 31, 2018, 11:16 AM - Edit history (1)

:nodding:

Sorry for all the responses. My computer went weird.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
29. Fraud is a Sociopath. The brilliant
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 12:49 AM
Oct 2018

Democratic targets, though, were fortunate they didn't have to hear from that Psycho Asshole.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
14. I will add to that my opinion
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 12:08 PM
Oct 2018

on why he responded this way. trump is pleased that he was able to get someone to act in his name. He likes that power. He likes violence and fear. He thinks it makes him stronger, impenetrable.

Mueller's report will be out soon, the elections are around the corner and he needs his base ready to literally fight on the streets for him. These terror attacks and attempted assassinations show him he can get his base to take up arms on his command.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
16. and now he's distracting again
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 12:49 PM
Oct 2018

Even as the people in Pittsburgh mourn the murders by a right-wing terrorist, radicalized by Trump, Fox, and Limbaugh, he is attempting to push MAGAbomber and MAGAmurderor off the front page with idiotic rants and ramblings, including birthright citizenship nonsense.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
17. He cannot EVER admit any mistake. It is exactly pathological.
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 01:07 PM
Oct 2018

Did you ever watch Happy Days? The Fonz, he was cool and in control, but one thing that always stood out for me was that he could never say, "I'm sorry" or "I was wrong" he would try, but the words would not come out, "I was wroo oo oo. I was wroo oo." and then the other character would let him off the hook. The Fonz was cool, but underneath he was scared and hurt. I think the back story was that his parents had abandoned him or something to that effect. Obviously that is a lighthearted comparison and Fonz was a good person underneath. Trump is not, but he has similar Trauma and cannot ever admit to being wrong, or mistaken in any way because he sees it as weakness.

When he is wrong, and it is constant, his response is always, "Who knew that --------- was so complicated, nobody knew" to which the average person says, "We all knew you idiot, that is why experts have been working on it for years!" but he can't say that he made any kind of mistake.

Admitting that his followers are responding to his rhetoric would be admitting culpability and that is weakness and that cannot stand in Trump's world. He thinks that denying obviously observable things is a winning strategy, and because of his resources, it has been.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
19. Tommy, something that concerns me a lot is.....
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 03:34 PM
Oct 2018

that no one appears to be openly analyzing and exposing what it is exactly that triggers people like this bomber to feel compelled to act, and who it was that said things causing the trigger - Limbaugh, Trump, Alex Jones or whoever.

We all know what Trump is and have discussed it ad nauseam, and it's likely that suspect Cesar Sayoc is mentally ill in some fashion.

It seems to me there has to be a connection between repeated conspiracy themes and the dialog used by right-wingers that are responsible for triggering violence in those with certain types of mental illness or serious social or security inadequacies in their lives.

I suspect that teams of psychologists have analyzed this issue and may have connected the dots, but the public deserves to know what those actions and characteristics are for our own safety.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
20. Good follow-up article on the bomb suspect...
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 03:49 PM
Oct 2018
Bombing suspect Cesar Sayoc, lost and angry, found his tribe with Trump
By Linda Robertson, Sarah Blaskey And Martin Vassolo
Updated October 29, 2018 09:10 PM

Link: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article220730960.html

(snip)
Cesar Sayoc lived on the crummy strip-mall fringes of South Florida, sleeping in a van that stank of sweaty gym clothes, delivering pizzas on the graveyard shift and working as floorman inside a smoky, dingy gentlemen’s club where naked dancers gyrated mechanically for dollar tips from boozy customers.

Sayoc was always several rungs lower on the ladder than he aspired to be and exaggerated the caliber of roles he chose for himself. He said he was a Chippendales dancer, a champion bodybuilder, a professional wrestler, a popular DJ, a dry-cleaning business whiz and a veterinary medicine student who once played soccer for AC Milan in the Italian league.
------
In South Florida, where the sun shines year round, dreams and schemes grow like hothouse flowers. It was here that a homeless ex-male stripper and Donald Trump fanatic concocted a mass mailing of pipe bombs that thrust an angry nation on edge into panic.

It was here that Sayoc finally found his true calling. His life changed two years ago at a Trump rally in West Palm Beach. He bought a red Make America Great Again cap, carried a poster mocking Trump critics and joined the boisterous throng in belligerent chants of “Lock her up!”

..........

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
21. Me too--can't believe how un-human he is.
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 04:43 PM
Oct 2018

Last edited Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:26 PM - Edit history (1)

It can’t possibly be a carbon based life form. More like ammonia based.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
25. The first thing I thought when I saw that "I am Trump"
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:49 PM
Oct 2018

sticker was "I'm Negan." Walking Dead viewers will recognize the line.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
28. Fraud was asked by a reporter if he
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 12:46 AM
Oct 2018

was going to reach out to the targets and he said .. "I'll pass..".

Yes, he's inhuman.

pioche4

(114 posts)
31. Precisely stated...and exactly what a lot of people feel
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 01:44 AM
Oct 2018

I'm hoping that his going to Pittsburgh will change some people's minds, although I'm sure those following him will just say his going was a most decent thing for him to do. I don't know how he sleeps at night, only a sociopath with no empathy at all, would be behaving this way.

bucolic_frolic

(43,175 posts)
32. You can measure a man by the degree of empathy he exhibits
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 06:47 AM
Oct 2018

I have known one or two in my life that tipped that scale at zero. These are ugly ugly people

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
33. Trump's reactions to almost everything are typical of the sociopath that he is
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 06:57 AM
Oct 2018

He has no conscience, no empathy for others, and no regard for the truth. His brain cannot function normally. That this lunatic became president is shocking, and that the GOP has enabled him from Day One is absolutely shameful.

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