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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:57 PM Oct 2018

Trump blames synagogue for not having armed guards after mass shooting

‘Results could have been much better’: Trump blames synagogue for not having armed guards after mass shooting

DAVID BADASH, THE NEW CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT 27 OCT 2018 AT 13:05 ET

President Donald Trump is blaming The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh for not having armed guards after a white male gunman walked in Saturday morning and shot eight people to death.

“The results could have been much better,” if armed guards had been present President Trump told reporters as he headed to a campaign rally, one of two he will hold Saturday.

The gunman, now in police custody, reportedly yelled “All Jews must die” as he opened fire.

“This has little to do” with gun laws, Trump told reporters when asked, saying the synagogue should have had “protection inside.”




https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/results-much-better-trump-blames-synagogue-not-armed-guards-mass-shooting/
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Trump blames synagogue for not having armed guards after mass shooting (Original Post) workinclasszero Oct 2018 OP
The guy is absolutely sickening. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2018 #1
Nothing screams "Fallujah!" like armed guards at the entrance of an American house of worship TheBlackAdder Oct 2018 #17
My synagogue in Merion,PA has guards who are retired PA State Policemen PCIntern Oct 2018 #2
It bothers me greatly that anyone in the US in the 21st century should feel the need... TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #8
My synagogue has security trained members.. One member stays outside the shul all day Pity Puddles Oct 2018 #22
Blaming the victims, again. FU Trump. C_U_L8R Oct 2018 #3
The shooter mowed down 3 cops. Cattledog Oct 2018 #4
Good point. Arkansas Granny Oct 2018 #9
Damn workinclasszero Oct 2018 #10
Trump will find a way to make it the cops fault they were shot. TheBlackAdder Oct 2018 #18
So you are saying a good guy with a gun didn't stop a bad guy with a gun? Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #21
Imagine the carnage if the cops hadn't responded so quickly oberliner Oct 2018 #27
We didn't hear any "Blue Lives Matter" taunts today meow2u3 Oct 2018 #30
Was hoping this was satire. Freethinker65 Oct 2018 #5
Oh hell no workinclasszero Oct 2018 #7
Donnie's vision for America includes armed guards at all houses of worship unblock Oct 2018 #6
It is always the fault of the victims EricMaundry Oct 2018 #11
The whole rambling statement was tone deaf DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #12
Especially the part where he complained Blecht Oct 2018 #14
The Rabbi should have had an Uzi up by the alter,.. magicarpet Oct 2018 #13
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: "What the president is saying is that the management should apologize dalton99a Oct 2018 #15
Trump, needs to hold a mirror up and look into it so he can see who is really RKP5637 Oct 2018 #16
I blame Sarah Huckabee Sanders... lame54 Oct 2018 #19
Why, WHY do Republicans cling to and enable this obnoxious, dangerous flaming asshole? VOX Oct 2018 #20
+10000!!!!!! FirstLight Oct 2018 #25
If you haven't already, read ex-Republican Max Boot's column in today's WaPo (link) VOX Oct 2018 #28
Thanks for sharing! FirstLight Oct 2018 #29
What a dipshit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #23
He never misses a business opportunity. Trying to sell more guns. McCamy Taylor Oct 2018 #24
This. Exactly (nt) mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #26
That man is a fool. Blue_true Oct 2018 #31

PCIntern

(25,554 posts)
2. My synagogue in Merion,PA has guards who are retired PA State Policemen
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:01 PM
Oct 2018

Great guys...no match for someone with an automatic or semi-auto weapon, however.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. It bothers me greatly that anyone in the US in the 21st century should feel the need...
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:07 PM
Oct 2018

to have armed protection while worshiping.

I understand the realities in some places, but it is not the way it should be in a nation that prides itself on religious liberty.

 

Pity Puddles

(98 posts)
22. My synagogue has security trained members.. One member stays outside the shul all day
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 04:33 PM
Oct 2018

and lets them in via a secure locked door.

Oh, and it's 24/7 video surveillance too.

ETA: They hire the DPD officers during the High Holidays and seal off parking in front of it as well.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
3. Blaming the victims, again. FU Trump.
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:04 PM
Oct 2018

Hey Trump - yes it does have everything to do with rightwing republican anti-semitism and gun fetishism. You are fueling the hate and violence every day with your divisive rhetoric and deeds. If you love this country, you'd resign. You are a failure.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
10. Damn
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:11 PM
Oct 2018

I'm sure a 10 buck an hour security guard would have made a big difference there at the synagogue per Trump's NRA covering bleating.

I.e. one more victim of the Nazi killer with a badge.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. Imagine the carnage if the cops hadn't responded so quickly
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 05:35 PM
Oct 2018

And risked their lives to save others.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
30. We didn't hear any "Blue Lives Matter" taunts today
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 06:22 PM
Oct 2018

Perhaps blue lives don't matter when police officers die trying to protect their community from a white supremacist. Go figure.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
14. Especially the part where he complained
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:34 PM
Oct 2018

He complained about how hard it was to be president when stuff like this happens.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
13. The Rabbi should have had an Uzi up by the alter,..
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:16 PM
Oct 2018

... and Mossad sharp shooters should have been hidden under cover in the pews with the congregation.

TrDump always places the blame in someone else's lap,.. never his fault, never attributable to his toxic rhetoric.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
15. Sarah Huckabee Sanders: "What the president is saying is that the management should apologize
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:37 PM
Oct 2018

for such oversight and lax incompetence"

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
16. Trump, needs to hold a mirror up and look into it so he can see who is really
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 02:47 PM
Oct 2018

responsible for the ugliness in the US.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
20. Why, WHY do Republicans cling to and enable this obnoxious, dangerous flaming asshole?
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 04:06 PM
Oct 2018

They deal with him as if he was a “normal” human being, when— if you really believed in such nonsense— #45 is as close a fit to an Antichrist as one could get.

He’s pathologically self-involved, paranoid, clueless, with overt hatred oozing from every pore of his orange blubber on an hourly basis. There is not a scintilla of shame, modesty or empathy in that inhuman creature.

His one true aspect of “(un)stable genius”? He can take ANY touchy situation and make it far worse, and foment conflict where there was none before. What a gift for America.

But Republicans have thrown their lot in with him, and are even attempting to emulate him. It’s astonishing how quickly they got on board with full fascism. Makes one realize how close they were to that end-stage political disease to begin with.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
25. +10000!!!!!!
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 05:02 PM
Oct 2018

I'm definitely in the "I fear for my country" stage myself ...feeling disgust, fear, anger and helplessness all at once these days.

I'm really afraid that these attacks are just the beginning of some full on crazy RW MAGA Militia shit that is about to go down... starting with hitting polling places on Election Day. If we're gonna have another Civil War, this may be how it starts

VOX

(22,976 posts)
28. If you haven't already, read ex-Republican Max Boot's column in today's WaPo (link)
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 05:58 PM
Oct 2018

He’s one of the few conservatives who has completely turned away from the Trump-driven insanity. He also fully grasps what’s truly going on.

https://wapo.st/2qexdeP
What is happening to our country?



A gunman opened fire at a Pittsburgh synagogue Oct. 27, killing multiple people and wounding six, including four police officers.
By Max Boot
 October 27, 2018

I am so sad. I am so heartbroken. What is happening to our country?


How can we live in an America where a gunman can barge into a synagogue and open fire, reportedly screaming “All Jews must die”?


How can we live in an America where someone — the FBI has arrested a Trump supporter named Cesar Sayoc — can send pipe bombs to, among others, former presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), financier George Soros, former CIA director John Brennan and CNN?


This is not what America is about. We are a country dedicated to freedom of speech, press, assembly and religion. We are a nation of immigrants from all corners of the globe brought together in mutual dedication to the “self-evident” truths “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” All “men” means, in the language of the 18th century, all people of whatever gender or color or creed.


There is no exception for liberals or Jews or critics of the president.


Tolerance for political and religious differences is a non-negotiable part of the social contract in the United States. It is the very core of our national identity, even if it has all too often been honored more in the breach than the observance. We settle our political differences through debate followed by voting. Political terrorism and sectarian bloodletting — these are the sorts of horrors that occur in the Balkans or the Middle East. Not here. Not in the land of the free. We’re better than this. We’re Americans.




Except now the horror show has arrived on our shores.


The fault does not lie, as President Trump insists, with those in the media (e.g., “lowly rated CNN”) who have the temerity to question and criticize him. It is the job of the press to hold those in power to account, and the press has recently done a magnificent job of discharging its constitutional responsibility. Has the media gotten everything right? Of course not. But it has gotten a lot more right than a president who lies with impunity and abandon.

<snip>

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
24. He never misses a business opportunity. Trying to sell more guns.
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 04:49 PM
Oct 2018

Probably got a memo from the NRA saying that not enough people are going to synagogue armed.

Plus, there is implicit Antisemitism in his remark. By saying that the synagogue is to blame for not having an armed guard, he suggests that Judaism is controversial, that to be Jewish is to put yourself in the cross hairs, and that anyone who decides to be anything other than an evangelical Christian is just asking to be attacked and murdered.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. That man is a fool.
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 06:36 PM
Oct 2018

Does he even know what reality is? It would be impossible for every Synagogue, Mosque or Church in the country to have an armed guard on each' day of worship.

How about explaining that no place of worship, no grocery store, no place of mass gathering should EVER be attacked in a civilized society? How about addressing weapons that can kill 11 people and down 4 ARMED police officers in mere minutes, if that long?

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