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Hekate

(90,714 posts)
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:43 PM Oct 2018

Wait. What?! One of Nicolle's fellow-journalist guests said there were "constant fistfights"...

...at "all of Trump's campaign rallies" two years ago. She said it was both members of the audience and Trump's political staff/operatives, that she saw Cory Lewandowski "drag a peaceful protester out with his bare hands."

Her name is something Allemany, and she was on the same campaign trail as Katy Tur, sharing the same experiences.

Now here is the thing, and why I am trying to catch my breath: I don't remember anyone actually saying this -- giving this info in these words. My husband is watching with me and when I said WTF is this, I did not know this about the "constant fistfights at all the rallies" -- he agreed with me. I mean, it makes sense, knowing what we know now -- but why did the media not cover that aspect in full at the time?

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Wait. What?! One of Nicolle's fellow-journalist guests said there were "constant fistfights"... (Original Post) Hekate Oct 2018 OP
Maybe you just missed it, but I recall lots of coverage about violence at his rallies. unitedwethrive Oct 2018 #1
They made it seem like isolated incidents not "constant" marylandblue Oct 2018 #2
I saw the threats & the ginning up of the violent urges. I saw Katy singled out. But... Hekate Oct 2018 #6
I saw it often enough. Wintryjade Oct 2018 #3
I doubt that Trump will rally in my state of Washington violetpastille Oct 2018 #4
We don't want him here, violetpastille. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #9
It happened more than once. And was encouraged. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2018 #5
Because the rallies were . . . peggysue2 Oct 2018 #7
They are not reaping a whirlwind. They are reaping the benefits of a tax windfall. 3Hotdogs Oct 2018 #12
When your facility is threatened by a bomb and peggysue2 Oct 2018 #16
+100 Separation Oct 2018 #25
He wasn't the only one... DAngelo136 Oct 2018 #21
They watered it down. They thought appeasing tRump would keep him off their backs. nt Snotcicles Oct 2018 #8
Another thing that did not get a lot of coverage Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #10
Hopefullly there are videos. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #13
They're out there. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #19
I seem to recall a lot of "action" around the periphery rurallib Oct 2018 #11
You are correct Cetacea Oct 2018 #14
Lewendowski was charged with misdemeanor battery in Florida malaise Oct 2018 #15
I remember a few choice incidents and Chicago investigating ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #17
They showed the violence all the time. There was even a movie made about it...remember UniteFightBack Oct 2018 #18
Remember the rally where he goes on a long time while they were removing protesters? Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #20
didnt we just see Cory on MSNBC?...dont they know when you lie with dogs.... samnsara Oct 2018 #22
It certainly wasn't covered in the media as "constant" Caliman73 Oct 2018 #23
I Remember One African American Getting Cold-Cocked, a Near Riot and Many other Incidents Stallion Oct 2018 #24
It was definitely talked about RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #26
To the ones who posted, both agreeing and disagreeing: thanks. I just got really triggered today... Hekate Oct 2018 #27

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
1. Maybe you just missed it, but I recall lots of coverage about violence at his rallies.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:46 PM
Oct 2018

Particularly well covered were the Lewandowski incident, and the fact that Mushroom Penis always heckled the protesters and told his supporters that he would pay their legal fees if they got into trouble confronting a protester.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
6. I saw the threats & the ginning up of the violent urges. I saw Katy singled out. But...
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:59 PM
Oct 2018

...Marylandblue is right: The actual acts of violence were made out to be random and sporadic. That's where my shock is coming from I think: what I saw quite starkly was the potential -- what I was not aware of,was the sheer actuality.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
3. I saw it often enough.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:52 PM
Oct 2018

I saw one that they went after a reporter. Still, it didn't matter much which blows the mind. Kinda like the Montana man body slamming a reporter. They simply do not suffer the same repercussions the rest of us would.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
4. I doubt that Trump will rally in my state of Washington
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:53 PM
Oct 2018

But if he does I want to see a rally firsthand.

I don't trust any of the coverage.

Not even that breathless Michael Moore-imitating guy on Youtube.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
9. We don't want him here, violetpastille.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:51 PM
Oct 2018

And our great gov, Jay Inslee, had consistently pushed back on Spanky's plans to: 1) drill offshore, 2) reduce the size of our parks and forests, 3) re-start The Hanford, 4) punish us for legalizing pot, 5) make our drivers licenses useless as ID (for TSA), and 6) use our military bases for incarcerating immigrants and caging their children., etc.

He would NOT get a warm reception here.

peggysue2

(10,832 posts)
7. Because the rallies were . . .
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:04 PM
Oct 2018

Great TV, with or without fist fighting. Jeff Zucker who know bemoans the Trumpster's attacks on the free press generally and CNN specifically was all too eager to put the Orange One on air, saying:

Donald Trump may be bad for the country but he's Great TV.

The media was complicit in the rise of the Trumpster because he generated $$$. Now, they're eating their words because this criminal is trying to bring the entire country to its knees.

They (and we) are reaping the whirlwind because too many ignored the early signs of the man's clear dysfunction and crass opportunism.

We have a chance to turn this around on November 6th. We dare not fail.

peggysue2

(10,832 posts)
16. When your facility is threatened by a bomb and
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:55 PM
Oct 2018

your credibility is attacked on a daily basis--fake news, fake news--then you're certainly reaping what you sowed. The media companies have put their own staff in danger (not to mention the country's safety and national security) when they gave the Trumpster a pass for increased advertising revenues.

There's been some very good reporting done since the 2016 election. But the press and media companies allowed the wolves through the door. We're all reaping that whirlwind on a daily basis.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
10. Another thing that did not get a lot of coverage
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:56 PM
Oct 2018

Was trmp's language at these rallies. Some that were not telecast, but were video-taped, revealed him to use foul, vulgar language, including the F-word. Frequently. There were children and young people present at these things. It was disgusting. I'm old enough to remember Eisenhower. No president (or candidate) ever used that kind of crass vocabulary at public gatherings, but the butt-trumpets seemed to revel in it.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
19. They're out there.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:00 PM
Oct 2018

And were plentiful during the election cycle. After the first one sent to me by a friend, Google did the rest.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
11. I seem to recall a lot of "action" around the periphery
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:04 PM
Oct 2018

especially, IIRC, an incident where a disabled man in a wheelchair was knocked on the ground.
I may not be remembering that right but I have that memory from somewhere.

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
14. You are correct
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:40 PM
Oct 2018

I ddin't miss a night..I can count the amount of times they were reported on one hand. Also, media did not show how small his crowds were.

malaise

(269,057 posts)
15. Lewendowski was charged with misdemeanor battery in Florida
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:49 PM
Oct 2018

I think the charges were eventually dropped. He beat up a reporter at a campaign rally.

They are the real mob.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
17. I remember a few choice incidents and Chicago investigating
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:58 PM
Oct 2018

But, you're right, the words "constant fistfights" were never mentioned. I guess just enough was reported to rile up his base while still maintaining the veneer of civility.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. Remember the rally where he goes on a long time while they were removing protesters?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:00 PM
Oct 2018

That was the time he talked about the good ol' days when you culd just punch 'em out. He went on at some length, looking off to the side...saying, "That's right...carry 'em out if you have to...."

Then there was the time when video showed protesters being escorted out, when one of the Trumpers reached out and punched one of them. The protester wasn't doing anything but walking out.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
22. didnt we just see Cory on MSNBC?...dont they know when you lie with dogs....
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:40 PM
Oct 2018

...you get fleas? ( except My dogs NEVER ever had fleas)

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
23. It certainly wasn't covered in the media as "constant"
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:44 PM
Oct 2018

There is footage of people being taken out, some being punched, etc... but I don't recall hearing of "constant" fights either. The media seemed very sure to show violence from Trump supporters AND from protesters outside the rallies, attacking Trump supporters.

The media would rather report on conflict that is mutual combat, than one group consistently targeting another, cause you know, then you actually have to do something about it.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
26. It was definitely talked about
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:50 PM
Oct 2018

"Constant" is questionable, but at least once a week there was someone getting thrown out for protesting and something would erupt.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
27. To the ones who posted, both agreeing and disagreeing: thanks. I just got really triggered today...
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:55 PM
Oct 2018

Mostly it was Steve Schmidt being so very very explicit about the bombs: Attempted assassination of all our top leadership. Worse than the day after Lincoln's assassination. If successful, would be the equivalent of 9-11 happening right now.

By the time Ms Allemany started talking about being at all those rallies on the campaign trail, I could hardly breathe. My reaction -- and my husband's statement that he had not known the extent of the pre-election violence either, based on news reports -- showed up in my OP.

Personally, I believe more bombs are in the mail, still in a sorting station somewhere. I believe they were intended to kill or maim, not just frighten, and that only the maker's lack of practice made them duds.

Someone intended to assassinate our entire top leadership -- they tried to -- and they will try again. With Trump cheering them on.

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