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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:40 PM Oct 2018

Caitlyn Jenner: I thought Trump would help the LGBTQ community. I was wrong.

By Caitlyn Jenner October 25 at 3:24 PM

Caitlyn Jenner is a transgender rights advocate and author.

These past two years under President Trump have given me the opportunity to reflect on a lot of topics that have come up in the LGBTQ community and in our nation. Some of these are thorny issues still worth discussing; many should have been settled long ago. As I’ve watched and pondered, my outlook has changed significantly from what it was during my highly publicized and glamorized early Caitlyn days, when my life as an out trans woman was just beginning.

Since then, I have learned and continue to learn about the obstacles our community faces, the politics that surround us and the places my voice can help. I have reflected on what my unique position of privilege means and how I can best use it to make a positive difference.

Following Trump’s election as president, I saw fertile ground for change within the Republican Party on LGBTQ issues. Trump was the first Republican presidential candidate to claim to support this valuable, vulnerable community, and I was encouraged by the applause he received when he said at the Republican National Convention in July 2016 that he would stand up for the LGBTQ community. Poll after poll showed that Americans’ views on LGBTQ issues were changing for the better — and that this groundswell extended even to the voter base of the Republican Party. I was optimistic that this was how I could leverage my privilege for change.

I believed I could work within the party and the Trump administration to shift the minds of those who most needed shifting. I made many trips to Washington to lobby and educate members of Congress, other Washington policymakers and powerful influencers. These meetings were generally positive and almost always led to encouraging conversations. Despite the criticism I received from segments of the LGBTQ community for engaging with this administration, I remained hopeful for positive change.

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Caitlyn Jenner: I thought Trump would help the LGBTQ community. I was wrong. (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2018 OP
Surprise!! Wellstone ruled Oct 2018 #1
You were warned! In It to Win It Oct 2018 #2
She was warned, repeatedly, by her friends, on her own TV show. lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #21
She is the epitome of a FOOL hlthe2b Oct 2018 #3
I really dislike Jenner.... WeekiWater Oct 2018 #4
Ms Jenner is a she, not a he. DonViejo Oct 2018 #13
Thank you for the correction. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #16
You're welcome! eom DonViejo Oct 2018 #20
Tired of pieces like this jberryhill Oct 2018 #5
Somehow, I doubt you expected more from Ms. Jenner PJMcK Oct 2018 #11
agreed jodymarie aimee Oct 2018 #15
That's what happens when you kacekwl Oct 2018 #27
What a goddamned idiot manor321 Oct 2018 #6
F'en idiot!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2018 #7
Sorry, but... Mike Nelson Oct 2018 #8
He lied to you, Caitlin. You were the only person who didn't know it. nt Hekate Oct 2018 #9
Hey, Caitlyn! PJMcK Oct 2018 #10
That's what happens when you care more about your money than your human rights mucifer Oct 2018 #12
Anyone who thought that is an idiot. jcgoldie Oct 2018 #14
"Gosh he seemed like such a WONDERFUL person" durablend Oct 2018 #17
Facepalm Wednesdays Oct 2018 #18
"gosh, I'm so surprised that what everyone else warned me about turned out to be true" anarch Oct 2018 #19
Foolish beyond measure was my first thought. But Hortensis Oct 2018 #22
So everything was 100% peachy for her until Donnie started to come for the intersex? Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #23
This tweet never gets old... namahage Oct 2018 #24
Hahaha somehow I missed it...until now. VOX Oct 2018 #43
Better than HRC? How fucking stupid ARE you? Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #25
Being an adult carries with it certain responsibilities hatrack Oct 2018 #26
You don't mind if I start quoting you elsewhere, do you? Vogon_Glory Oct 2018 #60
Oh, have at it - hope it proves useful! hatrack Oct 2018 #61
Thanks n/t Vogon_Glory Oct 2018 #62
Meh. I think it was always about the tax cuts for Jenner. Kittycow Oct 2018 #28
She has always been a republican. She is a "bootstraps" person. AJT Oct 2018 #29
DUH and what was he going to do for the working poor and homeless? BeckyDem Oct 2018 #30
Dumb ass. tavernier Oct 2018 #31
I'll get banned if I post how I feel about this person awesomerwb1 Oct 2018 #32
Has Jenner never heard of Mike Pence??? MagickMuffin Oct 2018 #33
I'm Not Buying the "Sadder but Wiser Girl" Routine dlk Oct 2018 #34
She got her tax cuts mercuryblues Oct 2018 #35
So naive.. LW1977 Oct 2018 #36
Still a dumb jock who nobody should pay attention to. milestogo Oct 2018 #37
I remember those DUers who thought Caitlyn was just WONDERFUL. cwydro Oct 2018 #38
The fable of the frog and the scorpion seems apropos in this case. Different Drummer Oct 2018 #39
I'll leave forgiveness to the LGBTQ community but if she really changes I'm happy. nolabear Oct 2018 #40
I've always thought of Caitlyn Jenner as a privileged, ignorant person. Oneironaut Oct 2018 #41
Can't say you weren't warned, sweetie. DinahMoeHum Oct 2018 #42
Duh. Took her long enough to see the light. nancy1942 Oct 2018 #44
Have a nice steaming bowl of go fuck yourself, Cait Takket Oct 2018 #45
I have no sympathy for her. StarryNite Oct 2018 #46
Stupid asshole EricMaundry Oct 2018 #47
Totally apt description. oasis Oct 2018 #48
gmafb! nt ecstatic Oct 2018 #49
I actually thought (initially) Sgent Oct 2018 #50
You "thought"? Hah! It's called being asleep at the wheel. Sheesh! Eyeball_Kid Oct 2018 #51
Duh... diane in sf Oct 2018 #52
A little slow on the uptake there Caitlin, but good for you. smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #53
drumpf et al only cares about one thing and one thing only!. democratisphere Oct 2018 #54
NOW it's "our" community. JarOCats Oct 2018 #55
AWW SHE'S LEARNDING Terminally_Chill Oct 2018 #56
Perfect illustration of the Repuke mindset. LibDemAlways Oct 2018 #57
Seriously? tymorial Oct 2018 #58
if you vote for a racists pos you are a racists pos ! stonecutter357 Oct 2018 #59

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. She was warned, repeatedly, by her friends, on her own TV show.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:02 PM
Oct 2018

I watched the show and they were all just flabbergasted at her stupidity for supporting Turd.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
4. I really dislike Jenner....
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:44 PM
Oct 2018

But so much of what she says here is very human. Based in self-reflection with the ability to not only admit error, but admit one must change.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
16. Thank you for the correction.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:56 PM
Oct 2018

Jenner still conjures up images in my mind of her time at the Olympics. I never paid much attention to that family or her life after the Olympics.

Again, thanks for the appropriate correction.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. Tired of pieces like this
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:44 PM
Oct 2018

"I thought two plus two was five. I realize now I was mistaken."

Well, no shit. If you'd bothered to have paid attention in the first place, you wouldn't have made that "mistake".

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
11. Somehow, I doubt you expected more from Ms. Jenner
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:49 PM
Oct 2018

Caitlyn is a self-centered media whore. I agree with you that she cannot do simple addition. That's why she, like far too many voters, backed the idiot.

She should simply shut up and live her life quietly since few of us care what she thinks.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
15. agreed
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:56 PM
Oct 2018

I tried watching her reality show, her show, not the Kardashians....and it was so sad..she is so superficial...the real folks she had on who need help did not get any from her, she was too busy talking about designer bags and her boobs...Her wealth protects her, the other LGBT folks are not so fortunate...she DOES not represent them.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
6. What a goddamned idiot
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:44 PM
Oct 2018

Millions, perhaps billions of people will be adversely affected (and worse) because of jackasses like Jenner.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
10. Hey, Caitlyn!
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:46 PM
Oct 2018

Kindly shut up. You keep exposing yourself as a foolish non-thinking person who is only interested in media attention. Sadly, you are just like Trump.

You have nothing to offer our country or society.

Just shut up.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
19. "gosh, I'm so surprised that what everyone else warned me about turned out to be true"
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:01 PM
Oct 2018

Hopefully that means she'll stop voting for goddamn Republicans...but I'd be reluctant to bet any significant amount of money that that's the case....

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Foolish beyond measure was my first thought. But
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:08 PM
Oct 2018

perhaps if she'd taken even one political science class in college that discussed populism she'd have been less easily fooled. Not being so intensely personally involved, watching and listening from outside instead of speaking with many Republican politicians who shined her on, might well have helped also.

Trump's authoritarian populist base seethes and boils with the typical social conservative hates, which he has always fed. Even he, not just Bannon and other clever, fascistic advisers, understood that to be successful his populist movement must sacrifice other Americans to his "red in tooth and claw" base.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
23. So everything was 100% peachy for her until Donnie started to come for the intersex?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:21 PM
Oct 2018

Jenner had no problems with the Nazism and the Latino kids being snatched from their parents and rounded up like cattle??

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
26. Being an adult carries with it certain responsibilities
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:38 PM
Oct 2018

As an adult, you're responsible for developing and maintaining a certain set of skills.

These include:

Knowing the difference between lies and truth

Knowing the difference between bullshit and reality

Knowing when someone is trying to rip you off or use you


And it's not just having the skills. You're also required to deploy and use them, and to do so:

In favor of truth, not lies

In favor of reality, not bullshit

So as not to get ripped off or used

Ms. Jenner is barking up the wrong tree if she's expecting a pat on the head or an "Oh, you poor thing!" She's pleading that she was deceived. No, she couldn't be bothered to look or learn or listen or think in the first place, because it was "too hard", or it was how she "felt", or she got more attention endorsing Shitstain.

My advice? Stop feeling, start thinking and start acting like a fucking adult.




Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
60. You don't mind if I start quoting you elsewhere, do you?
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 09:57 AM
Oct 2018

What you say is the sort of truism that parents ought to tell themselves and their older children when they reach that age when they can drive, vote, and become legally responsible.

It’s not said often enough, at least not down here in the Bible Belt.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
28. Meh. I think it was always about the tax cuts for Jenner.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:41 PM
Oct 2018

Initially, I mean. And then maybe followed by being a media whore with a popular issue.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
29. She has always been a republican. She is a "bootstraps" person.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:47 PM
Oct 2018

Her bend is a toward libertarianism. I got mine, tough for you. Money outweighs morality

dlk

(11,569 posts)
34. I'm Not Buying the "Sadder but Wiser Girl" Routine
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:08 PM
Oct 2018

Jenner knew what Trump was about. She chose greed.

Different Drummer

(7,621 posts)
39. The fable of the frog and the scorpion seems apropos in this case.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:17 PM
Oct 2018

So how is it so many people don't realize Trump is the scorpion?

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
40. I'll leave forgiveness to the LGBTQ community but if she really changes I'm happy.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:20 PM
Oct 2018

I’m tired of the “fuck you forever” attitude toward people who screw up and apologize. I’m also aware some apologies are hollow and always wait to see how actions bear out. But I have no desire to heap abuse on someone who is at that moment offering an apology unless it’s an old, false pattern.

Truly she doesn’t affect my life at all but I’ll sit back and watch, wishing her no ill.

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
41. I've always thought of Caitlyn Jenner as a privileged, ignorant person.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:24 PM
Oct 2018

She’s the type of person who asks why people who have crappy jobs don’t just “get better jobs.”

Now that she’s seen the light, can she help the rest of us? Trump and Pence are a hair away from advocating that we be shipped away in cattle cars to death camps. Pence especially would have no problem murdering us all.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
50. I actually thought (initially)
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 02:37 AM
Oct 2018

that he would be ok (not great) with LGBTQ issues, until he nominated Mike Pence. That signal, along with the rest of his campaign between the nomination and election day, should have told you all you need to know if your a one issue voter.

I still doubt he gives a fuck personally, but is using the issue to drive his base.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
51. You "thought"? Hah! It's called being asleep at the wheel. Sheesh!
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 02:46 AM
Oct 2018

Jenner missed the bus to "Intuition School."

JarOCats

(119 posts)
55. NOW it's "our" community.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 03:16 AM
Oct 2018

Only when it comes down on her head is it "our" community.

Fuck you, Caitlyn.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
57. Perfect illustration of the Repuke mindset.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 04:57 AM
Oct 2018

They never care who's being hurt by Republicon policies until it affects them personally. What a selfish moron.

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