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Grassley playing checkers with Avenatti...gonna lose (Original Post) pbmus Oct 2018 OP
K&R... spanone Oct 2018 #1
Yes, let's investigate. Iliyah Oct 2018 #2
He just wants his base to keep thinking of Kavanaugh Alhena Oct 2018 #3
Good point. zentrum Oct 2018 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Oct 2018 #4
Avenatti sez HAB911 Oct 2018 #5
Chuckie going to lose biggly. Wellstone ruled Oct 2018 #8
I concur. shanny Oct 2018 #6
Dumb move, grassley leftynyc Oct 2018 #7
There is no pre-indictment discovery. onenote Oct 2018 #17
So what? leftynyc Oct 2018 #18
Posters are celebrating this as a dumb move by Grassley because it opens the door for discovery onenote Oct 2018 #21
HOW can there be an indictment leftynyc Oct 2018 #22
One of the statutory provisions cited in the letter is 18 USC 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense onenote Oct 2018 #23
I think any judge would leftynyc Oct 2018 #25
As I said, I doubt DOJ would even seek an indictment of Avenatti for conspiracy. onenote Oct 2018 #26
As Sen. Cory Booker would say "BRING IT" MagickMuffin Oct 2018 #9
"Discovery" can be a wonderful thing. yellowcanine Oct 2018 #10
I thought all the moves these zentrum Oct 2018 #12
Caution. triron Oct 2018 #14
Can't fix stupid. Racerdog1 Oct 2018 #13
Please let it happen! hostalover Oct 2018 #15
So that's a crime? gratuitous Oct 2018 #16
And How Many Times Did Kavanaugh Lie To Congress Over The Years Chuckie? PaulX2 Oct 2018 #19
Grassley letter to Sessions and Wray: onenote Oct 2018 #24
Investigations marieo1 Oct 2018 #20

Response to pbmus (Original post)

HAB911

(8,904 posts)
5. Avenatti sez
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:45 PM
Oct 2018

Maybe if Grassley was actually a lawyer that knew something about the law, he would realize what he has done. He just opened up Pandora’s box as it relates to Justice Kavanaugh’s conduct. It is Christmas in October!





 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. So what?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:05 PM
Oct 2018

Do you honestly think Avenatti can be convicted if his client lied to him? And there is PLENTY of discovery once any retarded indictment comes down.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
21. Posters are celebrating this as a dumb move by Grassley because it opens the door for discovery
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:24 PM
Oct 2018

But that's only true if DOJ pursues the matter and indictments are returned, which could happen a long time from now or never.

I've read the letter Grassley sent to DOJ and I don't think it builds a particularly strong case for indictment. But I don't see how its a dumb move by Grassley since even if it doesn't result in any indictment, it lays out a very negative portrayal of Avenatti and Swetnick in terms of their credibility. And if there is an indictment of Avenatti and/or Swetnick, there will be an opportunity to seek discovery of the witnesses upon whose investigative statements DOJ relies. That could include Kavanaugh, but the scope of discovery is going to be very narrow -- limited to whether the specific statements made by Swetnick and Avenatti were misleading or not.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. HOW can there be an indictment
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:37 PM
Oct 2018

of Avenatti? And I disagree that it isn't stupid by Grassley - it keeps the very unpopular supreme court pick and accused attempted racist in the news.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
23. One of the statutory provisions cited in the letter is 18 USC 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:39 PM
Oct 2018

So, in theory, Avenatti could be indicted for conspiring with Swetnick to mislead the Committee.

I don't see such an indictment as likely, but that's at least one way they could go after Avenatti.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
10. "Discovery" can be a wonderful thing.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 02:25 PM
Oct 2018

And I suspect the Justice Dept is going to tell Grassley "no way."

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
12. I thought all the moves these
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 03:30 PM
Oct 2018

Last edited Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:40 PM - Edit history (1)

....guys made were highly coordinated and centralized and choreographed. So I don't quite see Grassley as out there on his own. I can't quite figure out what's going on.

 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
13. Can't fix stupid.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 03:31 PM
Oct 2018

GrASSley gonna get his ass handed to him. This old moron barely remembers his name.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. So that's a crime?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 03:59 PM
Oct 2018

"Potential conspiracy to provide materially false statements" to Congress is a crime? How about directly providing materially false statements to Congress? Or, as it used to be known, lying under oath or perjury. Is that still a crime, Sen. Grassley?

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
19. And How Many Times Did Kavanaugh Lie To Congress Over The Years Chuckie?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:12 PM
Oct 2018

You are the one guilty of conspiracy dude.

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