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brooklynite

(94,641 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:25 AM Oct 2018

Sanders 2020? Many Bernie backers aren't feeling it

Bernie Sanders has a problem as he decides whether to run in 2020: Many of his former staffers are looking elsewhere.

With the Vermont senator kicking off a nine-state tour on Friday with stops in Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada and California, a sizable contingent of the people who helped build his insurgent 2016 campaign is ambivalent about a second run, according to interviews with more than a dozen former staffers. Many of them are looking for a different progressive champion to finish what Sanders started.

Sanders should just declare victory, they said, content in the knowledge that much of his 2016 platform has been adopted by other ambitious Democrats considering White House bids. Plus, he’s a white man who would turn 80 in his first year as president, who’d be trying to lead a diverse party fueled by the energy of young voters, women and people of color.

“I think that if a younger candidate can pick up the mantle and have Bernie’s support, I think that would be a better option for 2020. I feel like 60 to 70 percent of former staffers are looking around for another Bernie-esque candidate this time around, even if it’s not him,” said Daniel Deriso, a field organizer for Sanders’ 2016 campaign who went on to help run a successful insurgent mayoral campaign in Birmingham, Ala., last year. “But if Bernie called me to have me work on the campaign then I’d do it.”

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Sanders 2020? Many Bernie backers aren't feeling it (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2018 OP
This Should Go Over Well JimGinPA Oct 2018 #1
Bernie bashing is quite the sport here dembotoz Oct 2018 #20
Truer words were never spoken! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #29
Oh, I'm way angrier with the GOP.... Adrahil Oct 2018 #61
I love Bernie BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #2
Harris, Castro, Kennedy, Landrieu, yes. Gillebrand, forget it. She threw... brush Oct 2018 #15
I'm tempted to just fully back Harris based on identity politics BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #19
I feel the same way, yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2018 #16
I wish he wouldn't have turned down the Democratic nomination in his most recent primary. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #3
Under the new DNC rules, sanders will not be able to do this if he runs in 2020 Gothmog Oct 2018 #24
I hat to use the phrase not good enough. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #30
I agree with your analysis Gothmog Oct 2018 #44
As it should be if Bernie decides to run for President in 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #31
Yeah, I see a lot of voters who aren't Cha Oct 2018 #4
Mahalo i ke akua NurseJackie Oct 2018 #11
Aloha and Good Morning, Jackie! Cha Oct 2018 #12
Same here Gothmog Oct 2018 #14
We saw this happening as new groups spun off Hortensis Oct 2018 #5
If Warren runs, why would Bernie need to run? JaneQPublic Oct 2018 #6
Excellent question and points. For his issues voters, Hortensis Oct 2018 #52
I love Bernie and don't want him to run. I don't want Biden or Clinton to run either. Nanjeanne Oct 2018 #7
I would support Joe if he ran Gothmog Oct 2018 #25
It'll give me a chance to write in hillary's name Fullduplexxx Oct 2018 #8
That's me ghostsinthemachine Oct 2018 #9
I will support the Democratic nominee. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #10
I agree with you but..... Little Star Oct 2018 #17
Wit cha. Adrahil Oct 2018 #21
Seems pretty evident that there are a lot of us in that position. bullwinkle428 Oct 2018 #13
I'm HUGE Bernie believer, but he'll simply be too old Calculating Oct 2018 #18
100% agree with this. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #22
My feelings are the opposite. I don't care for Bernie but I don't think his age should disqualify StevieM Oct 2018 #37
Many Bernie Alums Not Interested In a Sequel Gothmog Oct 2018 #23
Whatever. Anyone can run. MineralMan Oct 2018 #26
That I agree with. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #28
100% this, MM obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #34
We gave Bernie his shot in 2016, won't happen again. redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #27
Exactly. Cha Oct 2018 #36
There needs to be a coordinated effort... Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #32
I finally have something in common with those "Bernie backers". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #33
I like what he is doing now. MuseRider Oct 2018 #35
I would argue that Tom Steyer is the best at pointing out what is wrong when the GOP is in charge. StevieM Oct 2018 #38
I like him too MuseRider Oct 2018 #42
Well, that sounds like Kamala Harris. So maybe we will both support a candidate from California. StevieM Oct 2018 #45
Too early for me to know. MuseRider Oct 2018 #58
But then again everyone dismissed him in 2014 aikoaiko Oct 2018 #39
With good reason DavidDvorkin Oct 2018 #40
The 2016 primary was essentially over by Super Tuesday. And if not for caucuses: blowout Garrett78 Oct 2018 #50
I'm fine with Bern running or not running. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #55
It's not a matter of being scared. It's a matter of avoiding unnecessary divisiveness. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #60
Do people still see Bernie's criticisms as "bashing" and "divisive"? aikoaiko Oct 2018 #62
I am 100% focused on the election in 3 weeks. GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #41
We have an election in 3 weeks! Why are we focusing on one 2 years from now? Initech Oct 2018 #43
I don't think this thread is going to somehow negatively impact anyone's "focus." Garrett78 Oct 2018 #51
Not feeling Bernie, Hillary or Joe... SMC22307 Oct 2018 #46
"...former staffers are looking around for another Bernie-esque candidate this time around..." Garrett78 Oct 2018 #47
Black voters under 30 also favored Sanders over Clinton in 2016. BlueWI Oct 2018 #48
Those numbers were based on an analysis of 25 states and 3% of the electorate in those states: Garrett78 Oct 2018 #49
Thanks Garrett for setting the record straight. Cha Oct 2018 #54
So you've seen this polling research before. I have too. BlueWI Oct 2018 #56
Also, personally I was a strong Sanders supporter in 2016 BlueWI Oct 2018 #57
Well, it only applies to half the states. And a fraction of the electorate in those states. So... Garrett78 Oct 2018 #59
Exit polling is always based on sampling, i.e. a fraction of voters. BlueWI Oct 2018 #64
I've always been a Bernie guy but he had his chance, he just didn't know it. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2018 #53
... Scurrilous Oct 2018 #63
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
61. Oh, I'm way angrier with the GOP....
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:13 PM
Oct 2018

I just wish Bernie was too. He always seem to have some shade fror Democrats. And his fluffers never call him on it.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
2. I love Bernie
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:31 AM
Oct 2018

I was a die hard Bernie supporter (eventually a Clinton voter).

I think Bernie's shot is gone. But. What he did to the party, helping it shift left, opening conversations, that is far more important than any presidency.

I fully expect him to run in 2020, but I am not sure if I will support him.

I am not a fan of Biden or Booker. I love Uncle Joe, but I don't want him for a father, and Booker seems a little too opportunistic for me (and there are some issues I have with his past performances). And after Warren's latest stunt, I'm not leaning towards her either.

Harris impressed me greatly during the Kavanaugh hearings, and I do appreciate her shift to the left as well since 2016. The other direction I am looking is Gillibrand. I understand the anger towards her in regards to Franken (RIP), but her voting record is, actually, to the left of Bernie.

So at the moment, I'd love to see any combination of ticket between Bernie, Harris, Gillibrand, and I'd be quite happy with any of them for the nominee.

That being said, WHOMEVER is the nominee will have my vote. I am yellow dog dem till I die.

brush

(53,801 posts)
15. Harris, Castro, Kennedy, Landrieu, yes. Gillebrand, forget it. She threw...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:23 AM
Oct 2018

Franken under the bus, along with Bill Clinton. And if you think the Clintons don't have any influence in the party anymore you're kidding yourself.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
19. I'm tempted to just fully back Harris based on identity politics
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 11:01 AM
Oct 2018

like... oh you hated a black man. oh you hated a woman.

Now here's a black woman. deal with that shit.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
3. I wish he wouldn't have turned down the Democratic nomination in his most recent primary.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:38 AM
Oct 2018

I really thought it might be his transition to joining something larger than himself.

With many of the names being thrown around Sanders doesn’t really have the leftist niche carved out anymore. Being a career politician his very late entrance into grand self promotion is also questioned by many. It simply has the appearance of cashing out.

I’ve been a bit inconsistent with Sanders. Just like Sanders is a bit inconsistent in his own promotion. I think he has been overall positive for us. I do wish he would have done more for Democrats after he lost the primaries. He waited until after the election to get back at it.

I support Sanders these days. Not with money and I wouldn’t vote for him in a primary. I just think he is an overall positive for us. He is not Presidential. Doesn’t have the depth to be President. And the only reason he is a national figure is because Warren didn’t run and he saw an opening to attract those who bought into the propoganda put forward with the billions Republicans have spent against Clinton over the decades.

Gothmog

(145,415 posts)
24. Under the new DNC rules, sanders will not be able to do this if he runs in 2020
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:29 PM
Oct 2018

The new DNC rules will require sanders to join the Democratic Party and run as a Democrat.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
30. I hat to use the phrase not good enough.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:40 PM
Oct 2018

But for me, it’s not. He turned down the dem nom this year. I wish he wouldn’t have. If he does run this is simply shady to me. Not that it matters. He is in my top forty when it comes to Senators. Not like his Vermont counterpart who would rank in my top ten.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. We saw this happening as new groups spun off
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:43 AM
Oct 2018

and discussed leadership and whither next. I was struck when visiting their websites that they did not mention him at all on their main pages. It's understandable. Sanders took them about as far as he could, but many who agree with much he says are not happy with where he delivered them and all that was lost.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
6. If Warren runs, why would Bernie need to run?
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:49 AM
Oct 2018

In fact, many of Bernie's signature positions -- Medicare for All, $15 min. wage, etc. -- have already been embraced by leading Dems like Warren, even those not considered hard-left progressives (e.g., Gillibrand).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Excellent question and points. For his issues voters,
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 06:08 AM
Oct 2018

surely no reason at all? Warren is a proven progressive achiever and on her way to the top leadership of America's giant progressive legislative engine, the Democratic Party.

But, of course, one of his factions is all about dissenting from the large alliance of mainstream Democrats, and those would reject Warren even if they knew ahead of time that she would be the greatest progressive achiever since FDR's magnificent Frances Perkins. Fortunately, most people have a lot better sense.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
17. I agree with you but.....
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:53 AM
Oct 2018

if Biden drops his hat in the ring as is rumored I just might vote for him and hope he picks a female VP.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
18. I'm HUGE Bernie believer, but he'll simply be too old
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:57 AM
Oct 2018

I also believe that any relics of the cursed 2016 election are best left in the past. Bernie running again would just open the same old wounds with Hillary supporters who blame him for her loss. No Bernie, no Hillary, and PLEASE no Biden. Let's get somebody new with fresh blood and ideas.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
37. My feelings are the opposite. I don't care for Bernie but I don't think his age should disqualify
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 07:09 PM
Oct 2018

him from consideration.

I also suspect that a lot of people who loved Bernie in 2016 will ultimately get past their concerns about his age.

The candidate I plan on supporting, Tom Steyer, will be 63 in 2020. And I would still be a supporter of his if he was in his late 70s.

Gothmog

(145,415 posts)
23. Many Bernie Alums Not Interested In a Sequel
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:27 PM
Oct 2018

I doubt that sanders will actually run in 2020 https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/18/many-bernie-alums-not-interested-in-a-sequel/

“Bernie Sanders has a problem as he decides whether to run in 2020: Many of his former staffers are looking elsewhere,” Politico reports.

“With the Vermont senator kicking off a nine-state tour on Friday with stops in Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada and California, a sizable contingent of the people who helped build his insurgent 2016 campaign is ambivalent about a second run, according to interviews with more than a dozen former staffers. Many of them are looking for a different progressive champion to finish what Sanders started.”

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
26. Whatever. Anyone can run.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:32 PM
Oct 2018

Meanwhile, we have an election in less than three weeks. I'm going to think about 2020 sometime after that election.

I'm tired of hearing about potential 2020 presidential candidates, frankly. They'll sort themselves out soon enough.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
27. We gave Bernie his shot in 2016, won't happen again.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oct 2018

We are slow but we aren't stupid. No way we give our party over to a non member again. So much to lose, he isn't worth it.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
32. There needs to be a coordinated effort...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:47 PM
Oct 2018

To get the current crazy, demented, dangerous shitgibbon out of office. I don't care who the candidate is. It just needs to be the Antitrump, someone who represents everything that he isn't but who can still use all of his own weapons against him.

I leave it up to all of us Democrats to decide who the best person is for that. Whoever it is, I will be voting for them in 2020. Just as I did in 2016.

MuseRider

(34,112 posts)
35. I like what he is doing now.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:02 PM
Oct 2018

He is headed back out to tour around because of the importance of this midterm. He is solid and has good ideas that can be used (would be nice) or partly used (not my choice but...) but whatever they are they are constantly pointing solidly to the left. Bernie is very good at this, he is exciting and inspiring and that is what we need. He is great about speaking about the differences in parties and in policy that would move the country for all people and once we have a nominee he will do it again. We NEED people out there doing this, the more the merrier. In Kansas we rarely see or hear from anyone and it was almost always an R that came when someone did. It is so much more fired up here now since Bernie has come here a lot and talked to so many people.

I do not care if you like him or not, this is what we need in some of these states like Kansas. As a candidate he would have lost to the R's here just like Hillary did but as an idea man and someone to point out where things are wrong with the R's in charge there is no one better than Bernie. There are others that would be fantastic too but they are not doing this. **EDIT**Obama was great lately when out speaking. I should have remembered that.

I want someone younger. If he ran and ended up being the nominee I would certainly vote for him easily but I really think someone younger would be better at this time.

Younger, not white and female would be my choice.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
38. I would argue that Tom Steyer is the best at pointing out what is wrong when the GOP is in charge.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 07:13 PM
Oct 2018

And he will absolutely be getting my vote in 2020.

I suspect a lot of the Bernie faithful will ultimately filter back to him once he announces for 2020.


MuseRider

(34,112 posts)
42. I like him too
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 07:56 PM
Oct 2018

but I did not know he was travelling. If there is someone else running who is progressive, not male, younger and not white they have a good chance of capturing my vote.

MuseRider

(34,112 posts)
58. Too early for me to know.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:00 AM
Oct 2018

I like a lot of people but am not focused on that just yet. I pay attention but won't be able to know until this midterm is over. I do like Kamala.

aikoaiko

(34,177 posts)
39. But then again everyone dismissed him in 2014
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 07:27 PM
Oct 2018

And we saw what happened much to the chagrin of many.

It was hard to believe then that he would do better than 40% in the primaries and it’s hard to believe now. Not that the context is equivalant, but I learned not to underestimate Bernie.

YMMV

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
50. The 2016 primary was essentially over by Super Tuesday. And if not for caucuses: blowout
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 05:56 AM
Oct 2018

Sanders capitalized on being *the* Clinton alternative, but 2020 won't be a 1-on-1 race (like 2016 was after Iowa). And there will be fewer caucuses in 2020, though there will still be some unfortunately.

If Sanders is smart and cares about more than just himself, he'll stay out of the 2020 contest.

aikoaiko

(34,177 posts)
55. I'm fine with Bern running or not running.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 07:36 AM
Oct 2018


He either wins or loses. There is no reason to be scared of Bernie.

As far as I can tell every politician cares most about their own ambitions.

:Shrug:


Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
60. It's not a matter of being scared. It's a matter of avoiding unnecessary divisiveness.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:04 PM
Oct 2018

Sanders has no chance, and bashing the Democratic Party does a disservice.

aikoaiko

(34,177 posts)
62. Do people still see Bernie's criticisms as "bashing" and "divisive"?
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 06:12 PM
Oct 2018

I would have thought people would have learned to not take his criticisms personally and realize that there are a lot of Democrats and Democratic voters who agree with him.

But, as you say, maybe not.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
51. I don't think this thread is going to somehow negatively impact anyone's "focus."
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 06:03 AM
Oct 2018

Nor will it have any bearing on the upcoming election results. People are free to ignore any thread they don't wish to participate in.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
47. "...former staffers are looking around for another Bernie-esque candidate this time around..."
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:40 AM
Oct 2018

They won't find what they're looking for then. The circumstances are completely different and there may be 20+ candidates running in 2020 with no clear favorite at the outset. Sanders drew appeal (mostly from young white folks) because of his persona and because he was running as anti-establishment against one of the biggest names in establishment politics (in what was basically a 2-person race with a clear favorite right from the start).

Edit: Sanders was *the* Clinton alternative. That niche wasn't going to be filled by O'Malley, who was done after Iowa. 2016 vs. 2020 isn't apples and oranges; it's more like apples and airplanes.

Sanders knew that if he was going to run, he had to run in 2016. In no other year would he have had nearly as much success...and he still got his ass kicked (Clinton had the nomination wrapped up by mid-March). Anyone who thinks Sanders will ever be POTUS is delusional.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
48. Black voters under 30 also favored Sanders over Clinton in 2016.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 01:43 AM
Oct 2018

I think it was 52-48, but it's still a majority. It's a misnomer to imply that he had no significant black support, though clearly, he did not attain Clinton's popularity among black voters over 30.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
49. Those numbers were based on an analysis of 25 states and 3% of the electorate in those states:
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 05:43 AM
Oct 2018
But an analysis of 25 states that held primaries and where exit polls were conducted by NBC News showed that one of Sanders’ challenges is that younger blacks are not voting in large numbers. Sanders, according to the exit polls in these states, received 52 percent of the votes of African-Americans under 30, compared to 47 percent for Clinton.

However, blacks under 30 were only 3 percent of the Democratic electorate in these states. In contrast, blacks over 60 were 7 percent of the electorate in these states. Clinton won 89 percent of their votes, Sanders 9 percent. (The Washington Post completed a similar analysis last week and also found low turnout among young black voters.)

Among blacks ages 45-59, Clinton was ahead 85 percent to 14 percent. Among blacks ages 30-44, Clinton won 70 percent, Sanders 29 percent.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/huge-split-between-older-younger-blacks-democratic-primary-n580996

Another good article on this topic: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-democrats-race-racial-divide-213948

Though it might offend his uber-progressive supporters to hear this, the Sanders insurgency is largely a white revolution. All the talk about Sanders representing the future of the Democratic Party because of his overwhelming popularity among young people leaves out an important caveat: He couldn’t persuade minority voters to sign on. In many ways a Sanders victory, propelled by the least diverse states in the nation, would have been a step backward in American race relations. Now that Hillary Clinton has laid claim convincingly to the nomination with decisive wins in California and New Jersey, the party—and Bernie’s supporters—are at a crossroads. If they insist on maintaining their purist divide from Clinton, they will create a rift in the party that’s not just ideological, but racial.


“That refusal to accept the necessity of compromise in a winner-take-all two-party system (and an electorate in which conservatives still outnumber liberals) is characteristic of a certain idealistic style of left-wing politics. Its conception of voting as an act of performative virtue has largely confined itself to white left-wing politics, because it is at odds with the political tradition of a community that has always viewed political compromise as a practical necessity. The expectation that a politician should agree with you on everything is the ultimate expression of privilege.”


Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com has shown that Clinton’s victories look much more like the Democratic Party—which, with a projected 54 percent white vote this year, will be majority-minority long before the country is—than do Sanders’ wins. Even in Sanders’ upset in Michigan, pundits were claiming he had made a breakthrough with black voters because he lost them only by 35 percent points. And exit polling data in Nevada that showed him edging Clinton among Hispanics is widely suspected to be wrong, given where Clinton racked up votes in that state.


...many white Democratic voters missed the sentiment shared among black Obama voters in 2008 that, once again, the “first black” was being handed a seemingly impossible task—two ground wars, a collapsing economy, a record deficit—and if he wasn’t able to perform a miracle, it would not only be his failure, but that of black people in general. To downplay what he has been able to achieve despite the obstacles, which also included an unprecedented level of obstruction from the GOP, confirms a fear shared by many people of color—Democratic or otherwise—that no matter what they achieve, it will never be enough. Sanders and Susan Sarandon may sincerely believe things are so awful only a revolution can heal the country’s ills. But their overwrought rhetoric, and no more than lukewarm support of Obama’s accomplishments, taps into that deeply-held frustration among minorities.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
56. So you've seen this polling research before. I have too.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:22 AM
Oct 2018

Is there something wrong with the sampling that would lead to dismissing the findings? As I mentioned in my previous post, Clinton clearly polled stronger among other age groups. But there is a difference in the under 30 black voters. Yes, they represented a smaller sample of the total amount primary voters. But should they be dismissed and erased by broad brush assumptions about whose votes matter?

I don't think so, and we're going to need to maximize support, no matter who the candidate is.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
57. Also, personally I was a strong Sanders supporter in 2016
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:25 AM
Oct 2018

but agree with the general tenor of the article that I am also unlikely to support him in 2020. So there's that. But the marginalization of black Sanders supporters was obnoxious in 2016, and it continues.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
59. Well, it only applies to half the states. And a fraction of the electorate in those states. So...
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:02 PM
Oct 2018

...it's misleading to simply say Sanders won 52% of the under 30 Black vote.

And I never said all of his supporters were white.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
64. Exit polling is always based on sampling, i.e. a fraction of voters.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:37 PM
Oct 2018

Not sure if it's the common standard that every exit poll samples voters from 50 states. I did not look into the methodology to see why these particular states were chosen, but there may be a sampling principle operating in those choices.

In any case, it would be accurate to lead with "According to exit polling which sampled black voters in 25 states..." and to state the results of the polling. A numerical trend among black voters is indicated that, as you implied, would need to be verified with added findings before a conclusion could be drawn. However, there is a clear numeric trend indicated among younger black voters in this poll.

The habit which I find counterproductive is that this fraction of voters is dismissed as insignificant, a habit that continues.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,496 posts)
53. I've always been a Bernie guy but he had his chance, he just didn't know it.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 06:15 AM
Oct 2018

He ran in the primary with the intention of pulling Hillary to the left, he never thought he could actually win. By the time he realized he could, it was too late to register voters in the major states that would have made a difference.

The moment has passed, it’ll forever be a “what could have been” lament.

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