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Bernie Sanders has a problem as he decides whether to run in 2020: Many of his former staffers are looking elsewhere.
With the Vermont senator kicking off a nine-state tour on Friday with stops in Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada and California, a sizable contingent of the people who helped build his insurgent 2016 campaign is ambivalent about a second run, according to interviews with more than a dozen former staffers. Many of them are looking for a different progressive champion to finish what Sanders started.
Sanders should just declare victory, they said, content in the knowledge that much of his 2016 platform has been adopted by other ambitious Democrats considering White House bids. Plus, hes a white man who would turn 80 in his first year as president, whod be trying to lead a diverse party fueled by the energy of young voters, women and people of color.
I think that if a younger candidate can pick up the mantle and have Bernies support, I think that would be a better option for 2020. I feel like 60 to 70 percent of former staffers are looking around for another Bernie-esque candidate this time around, even if its not him, said Daniel Deriso, a field organizer for Sanders 2016 campaign who went on to help run a successful insurgent mayoral campaign in Birmingham, Ala., last year. But if Bernie called me to have me work on the campaign then Id do it.
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JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)dembotoz
(16,811 posts)If only we were as angry with the gop....
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I just wish Bernie was too. He always seem to have some shade fror Democrats. And his fluffers never call him on it.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)I was a die hard Bernie supporter (eventually a Clinton voter).
I think Bernie's shot is gone. But. What he did to the party, helping it shift left, opening conversations, that is far more important than any presidency.
I fully expect him to run in 2020, but I am not sure if I will support him.
I am not a fan of Biden or Booker. I love Uncle Joe, but I don't want him for a father, and Booker seems a little too opportunistic for me (and there are some issues I have with his past performances). And after Warren's latest stunt, I'm not leaning towards her either.
Harris impressed me greatly during the Kavanaugh hearings, and I do appreciate her shift to the left as well since 2016. The other direction I am looking is Gillibrand. I understand the anger towards her in regards to Franken (RIP), but her voting record is, actually, to the left of Bernie.
So at the moment, I'd love to see any combination of ticket between Bernie, Harris, Gillibrand, and I'd be quite happy with any of them for the nominee.
That being said, WHOMEVER is the nominee will have my vote. I am yellow dog dem till I die.
brush
(53,801 posts)Franken under the bus, along with Bill Clinton. And if you think the Clintons don't have any influence in the party anymore you're kidding yourself.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)like... oh you hated a black man. oh you hated a woman.
Now here's a black woman. deal with that shit.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)we have some great candidates, just need sorted out.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I really thought it might be his transition to joining something larger than himself.
With many of the names being thrown around Sanders doesnt really have the leftist niche carved out anymore. Being a career politician his very late entrance into grand self promotion is also questioned by many. It simply has the appearance of cashing out.
Ive been a bit inconsistent with Sanders. Just like Sanders is a bit inconsistent in his own promotion. I think he has been overall positive for us. I do wish he would have done more for Democrats after he lost the primaries. He waited until after the election to get back at it.
I support Sanders these days. Not with money and I wouldnt vote for him in a primary. I just think he is an overall positive for us. He is not Presidential. Doesnt have the depth to be President. And the only reason he is a national figure is because Warren didnt run and he saw an opening to attract those who bought into the propoganda put forward with the billions Republicans have spent against Clinton over the decades.
Gothmog
(145,415 posts)The new DNC rules will require sanders to join the Democratic Party and run as a Democrat.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)But for me, its not. He turned down the dem nom this year. I wish he wouldnt have. If he does run this is simply shady to me. Not that it matters. He is in my top forty when it comes to Senators. Not like his Vermont counterpart who would rank in my top ten.
Gothmog
(145,415 posts)I was not happy when sanders pulled this stunt
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Cha
(297,405 posts)feelin' it, either.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(297,405 posts)Nice!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and discussed leadership and whither next. I was struck when visiting their websites that they did not mention him at all on their main pages. It's understandable. Sanders took them about as far as he could, but many who agree with much he says are not happy with where he delivered them and all that was lost.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)In fact, many of Bernie's signature positions -- Medicare for All, $15 min. wage, etc. -- have already been embraced by leading Dems like Warren, even those not considered hard-left progressives (e.g., Gillibrand).
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)surely no reason at all? Warren is a proven progressive achiever and on her way to the top leadership of America's giant progressive legislative engine, the Democratic Party.
But, of course, one of his factions is all about dissenting from the large alliance of mainstream Democrats, and those would reject Warren even if they knew ahead of time that she would be the greatest progressive achiever since FDR's magnificent Frances Perkins. Fortunately, most people have a lot better sense.
Nanjeanne
(4,969 posts)Gothmog
(145,415 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,866 posts)ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Age is huge for me. I have to imagine it is for millennials as well.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That being said 'it's time for a new generation of leadership'.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)if Biden drops his hat in the ring as is rumored I just might vote for him and hope he picks a female VP.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Time for some new leadership.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)I also believe that any relics of the cursed 2016 election are best left in the past. Bernie running again would just open the same old wounds with Hillary supporters who blame him for her loss. No Bernie, no Hillary, and PLEASE no Biden. Let's get somebody new with fresh blood and ideas.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)him from consideration.
I also suspect that a lot of people who loved Bernie in 2016 will ultimately get past their concerns about his age.
The candidate I plan on supporting, Tom Steyer, will be 63 in 2020. And I would still be a supporter of his if he was in his late 70s.
Gothmog
(145,415 posts)I doubt that sanders will actually run in 2020 https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/18/many-bernie-alums-not-interested-in-a-sequel/
With the Vermont senator kicking off a nine-state tour on Friday with stops in Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada and California, a sizable contingent of the people who helped build his insurgent 2016 campaign is ambivalent about a second run, according to interviews with more than a dozen former staffers. Many of them are looking for a different progressive champion to finish what Sanders started.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)Meanwhile, we have an election in less than three weeks. I'm going to think about 2020 sometime after that election.
I'm tired of hearing about potential 2020 presidential candidates, frankly. They'll sort themselves out soon enough.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)obamanut2012
(26,087 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)We are slow but we aren't stupid. No way we give our party over to a non member again. So much to lose, he isn't worth it.
Cha
(297,405 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)To get the current crazy, demented, dangerous shitgibbon out of office. I don't care who the candidate is. It just needs to be the Antitrump, someone who represents everything that he isn't but who can still use all of his own weapons against him.
I leave it up to all of us Democrats to decide who the best person is for that. Whoever it is, I will be voting for them in 2020. Just as I did in 2016.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)MuseRider
(34,112 posts)He is headed back out to tour around because of the importance of this midterm. He is solid and has good ideas that can be used (would be nice) or partly used (not my choice but...) but whatever they are they are constantly pointing solidly to the left. Bernie is very good at this, he is exciting and inspiring and that is what we need. He is great about speaking about the differences in parties and in policy that would move the country for all people and once we have a nominee he will do it again. We NEED people out there doing this, the more the merrier. In Kansas we rarely see or hear from anyone and it was almost always an R that came when someone did. It is so much more fired up here now since Bernie has come here a lot and talked to so many people.
I do not care if you like him or not, this is what we need in some of these states like Kansas. As a candidate he would have lost to the R's here just like Hillary did but as an idea man and someone to point out where things are wrong with the R's in charge there is no one better than Bernie. There are others that would be fantastic too but they are not doing this. **EDIT**Obama was great lately when out speaking. I should have remembered that.
I want someone younger. If he ran and ended up being the nominee I would certainly vote for him easily but I really think someone younger would be better at this time.
Younger, not white and female would be my choice.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And he will absolutely be getting my vote in 2020.
I suspect a lot of the Bernie faithful will ultimately filter back to him once he announces for 2020.
MuseRider
(34,112 posts)but I did not know he was travelling. If there is someone else running who is progressive, not male, younger and not white they have a good chance of capturing my vote.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)MuseRider
(34,112 posts)I like a lot of people but am not focused on that just yet. I pay attention but won't be able to know until this midterm is over. I do like Kamala.
aikoaiko
(34,177 posts)And we saw what happened much to the chagrin of many.
It was hard to believe then that he would do better than 40% in the primaries and its hard to believe now. Not that the context is equivalant, but I learned not to underestimate Bernie.
YMMV
DavidDvorkin
(19,480 posts)As the results showed.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Sanders capitalized on being *the* Clinton alternative, but 2020 won't be a 1-on-1 race (like 2016 was after Iowa). And there will be fewer caucuses in 2020, though there will still be some unfortunately.
If Sanders is smart and cares about more than just himself, he'll stay out of the 2020 contest.
aikoaiko
(34,177 posts)He either wins or loses. There is no reason to be scared of Bernie.
As far as I can tell every politician cares most about their own ambitions.
:Shrug:
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Sanders has no chance, and bashing the Democratic Party does a disservice.
aikoaiko
(34,177 posts)I would have thought people would have learned to not take his criticisms personally and realize that there are a lot of Democrats and Democratic voters who agree with him.
But, as you say, maybe not.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Dont much care about 2020 at this point
Initech
(100,088 posts)Oh and - DO NOT WANT.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Nor will it have any bearing on the upcoming election results. People are free to ignore any thread they don't wish to participate in.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)their time is past.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)They won't find what they're looking for then. The circumstances are completely different and there may be 20+ candidates running in 2020 with no clear favorite at the outset. Sanders drew appeal (mostly from young white folks) because of his persona and because he was running as anti-establishment against one of the biggest names in establishment politics (in what was basically a 2-person race with a clear favorite right from the start).
Edit: Sanders was *the* Clinton alternative. That niche wasn't going to be filled by O'Malley, who was done after Iowa. 2016 vs. 2020 isn't apples and oranges; it's more like apples and airplanes.
Sanders knew that if he was going to run, he had to run in 2016. In no other year would he have had nearly as much success...and he still got his ass kicked (Clinton had the nomination wrapped up by mid-March). Anyone who thinks Sanders will ever be POTUS is delusional.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)I think it was 52-48, but it's still a majority. It's a misnomer to imply that he had no significant black support, though clearly, he did not attain Clinton's popularity among black voters over 30.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)However, blacks under 30 were only 3 percent of the Democratic electorate in these states. In contrast, blacks over 60 were 7 percent of the electorate in these states. Clinton won 89 percent of their votes, Sanders 9 percent. (The Washington Post completed a similar analysis last week and also found low turnout among young black voters.)
Among blacks ages 45-59, Clinton was ahead 85 percent to 14 percent. Among blacks ages 30-44, Clinton won 70 percent, Sanders 29 percent.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/huge-split-between-older-younger-blacks-democratic-primary-n580996
Another good article on this topic: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-democrats-race-racial-divide-213948
Cha
(297,405 posts)BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Is there something wrong with the sampling that would lead to dismissing the findings? As I mentioned in my previous post, Clinton clearly polled stronger among other age groups. But there is a difference in the under 30 black voters. Yes, they represented a smaller sample of the total amount primary voters. But should they be dismissed and erased by broad brush assumptions about whose votes matter?
I don't think so, and we're going to need to maximize support, no matter who the candidate is.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)but agree with the general tenor of the article that I am also unlikely to support him in 2020. So there's that. But the marginalization of black Sanders supporters was obnoxious in 2016, and it continues.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...it's misleading to simply say Sanders won 52% of the under 30 Black vote.
And I never said all of his supporters were white.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Not sure if it's the common standard that every exit poll samples voters from 50 states. I did not look into the methodology to see why these particular states were chosen, but there may be a sampling principle operating in those choices.
In any case, it would be accurate to lead with "According to exit polling which sampled black voters in 25 states..." and to state the results of the polling. A numerical trend among black voters is indicated that, as you implied, would need to be verified with added findings before a conclusion could be drawn. However, there is a clear numeric trend indicated among younger black voters in this poll.
The habit which I find counterproductive is that this fraction of voters is dismissed as insignificant, a habit that continues.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,496 posts)He ran in the primary with the intention of pulling Hillary to the left, he never thought he could actually win. By the time he realized he could, it was too late to register voters in the major states that would have made a difference.
The moment has passed, itll forever be a what could have been lament.