Let's be clear: Iran hasn't done shit.

[superpatriotman]

I'm sick of hearing unsubstantiated talking points about Iran being this or that...

Innocent until proven guilty, I say

They don't start wars.

They haven't attacked the U.S.

Hell, they didn't even kill anyone in the 1979 hostage crisis.

Persians are a wonderful, smart people who will take care of their country in ther own time.

Let the Iranians deal with the Mullahs how and when they want to.

Beyond that, all the wrongly-assumed propaganda is war-mongering Grade A horseshit.

[WeekiWater]

1. One seriously corrupt government with enormous amounts of blood on its hands.

Not sure I get your point in whitewashing that.

Innocent until proven guilty is a foolish concept outside of the court system. It’s not the way humans work and isn’t the way we should work.

[superpatriotman]

2. One seriously corrupt government with enormous amounts of blood...

Could describe many governments, couldn't it?

I don't want another useless war. Period.

[WeekiWater]

4. Lots and lots of governments.

Persians too.

[bahrbearian]

12. LOL are you going to be here all week? Hypocrisy Much

[WeekiWater]

13. Please point me to the hypocrisy in my post.

There isn’t any hypocrisy there. Not sure what the rest of your comment has to do with anything.

[bahrbearian]

14. Iraq has WMD's everyone knows it.

[WeekiWater]

19. I didn't think you could.

Thank you for not even attempting to back up your flawed and dishonest personal attack against me.

Sorry you bought into the garbage Bush tried to sell to the world. Didn’t even pass my sniff test.

[bahrbearian]

20. "One seriously corrupt government with enormous amounts of blood on its hands".

You were talking the U.S right. . We attacked a country because of lies and murdered its Citizen's . That wasn't G.W. that was the U.S. We as a country did it. but Iran "One seriously corrupt government with enormous amounts of blood on its hands."

[WeekiWater]

22. No, I was talking about the country being discussed in the op.

You have made your point. I think it makes little sense but I’m not the one making it. No sweat off my back. You feel Iran isn’t corrupt and doesn’t have blood on its hands. I think that is an extremely flawed position to hold. Actually, it’s more than “I think.” It’s factual that your position is inaccurate.

[bahrbearian]

26. "One seriously corrupt government with enormous amounts of blood on its hands".

[WeekiWater]

27. True. N/T

[malaise]

3. Never forget who tried to start war between Iraq and Iran

My way or die is the mantra of imperialism and Iran has resisted for decades.

[JI7]

5. the ones hurt most by Iran's religious rulers are the Iranian people themselves

[oberliner]

6. Iran - World Report 2018: Human Rights Watch

President Hassan Rouhani secured a second four-year term in office in May 2017, in an election marked by debate over the state of civil and political rights in Iran. Executions, especially for drug-related offenses, continued at a high rate. Authorities in the security apparatus and Iran’s judiciary continued to target journalists, online media activists, and human rights defenders in an ongoing crackdown, in blatant disregard of international and domestic legal standards.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/iran

[safeinOhio]

8. To be fair, here is their report on Saudi Arabia..Iran's enemy.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/saudi-arabia

[ck4829]

9. You see though, they're the *good* torturers and executioners

[oberliner]

16. Yes, both countries have awful human rights records

[atreides1]

29. But the US is only an ally of one!

The one whose citizens flew planes into three buildings and a field in Pennsylvania!

It's fortunate that the attacks didn't come from Colombia...because the US probably would have attacked American Samoa!!

[oberliner]

34. It's been an awkward alliance for a while

Not sure what it is about the Saudis that the US has found appealing.

[malaise]

10. Post the US's n/t

[oberliner]

17. OK

The strong civil society and democratic institutions of the United States were tested in the first year of the administration of President Donald Trump. Across a range of issues in 2017, the US moved backward on human rights at home and abroad.

Trump has targeted refugees and immigrants, calling them criminals and security threats; emboldened racist politics by equivocating on white nationalism; and consistently championed anti-Muslim ideas and policies. His administration has embraced policies that will roll back access to reproductive health care for women; championed health insurance changes that would leave many more Americans without access to affordable health care; and undermined police accountability for abuse. Trump has also expressed disdain for independent media and for federal courts that have blocked some of his actions. And he has repeatedly coddled autocratic leaders and showed little interest or leadership in pressing for the respect of human rights abroad.

The individuals most likely to suffer abuse in the United States—including members of racial and ethnic minorities, immigrants, children, the poor, and prisoners—are often least able to defend their rights in court or via the political process. Many vulnerable groups endured renewed attacks on their rights during the year. Other longstanding US laws and practices—particularly related to criminal and juvenile justice, immigration, and national security—continued to violate internationally recognized human rights.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/united-states

[JonLP24]

7. Republicans act like they are Saudi Arabia

They were peaceful democratic government (they have one of the more democratic countries in Southwest Asia) that had the nerve to kick BP out.

[malaise]

21. +1,000

Imagine Rubio or Cruz telling Venezuela about free and fair elections

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. And, Ahmedinejad is a Wolverine fan, so all is forgiven.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/10/17/michigan-football-iran-president-mahmoud-ahmadinejad/1668260002/

[bahrbearian]

15. We must never forgive Iran, Never , they started Middle East Fire when they Nationalized their Oil.

[malaise]

23. Huh? n/t

[bahrbearian]

24. I'm trying to figure out why we must hate Iran, that's all I can come up with.

[malaise]

25. Got yah!

LOL.

[kwassa]

18. Let's be clear: Iran supports terrorists and assasinates dissidents.

from a 2006 Brookings report.

After the 1979 Islamic revolution, Tehran used a wide range of terrorist organizations to export its revolution and to assassinate Iranian dissidents around the globe. Tehran played a major role in forming Hezbollah and helping it conduct attacks in Lebanon, including such devastating strikes as the 1983 bombings of the U.S. Marine barracks and embassy, which together killed more than 300 people. Indeed, before 9/11, Hezbollah had killed more Americans than any other international terrorist organization. Iranian-backed groups also regularly attacked dissidents in Europe, countries that backed Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, and the governments of pro-Western Arab states. Ten years ago, on June 26, 1996, Iranian-backed terrorists exploded a massive truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military housing project in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 Americans and one Saudi and wounding almost 400.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/proxy-power-understanding-irans-use-of-terrorism/


and here is a long list of things they've been involved with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

and they are actively supporting Assad in Syria.

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the Syrian Arab Republic are close strategic allies, and Iran has provided significant support for the Syrian Government in the Syrian Civil War, including logistical, technical and financial support, as well as training and some combat troops.

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Iranian security and intelligence services are advising and assisting the Syrian military in order to preserve Bashar al-Assad's hold on power.[33] Those efforts include training, technical support, combat troops.[33][37] By December 2013 Iran was thought to have approximately 10,000 operatives in Syria.[34] But according to Jubin Goodarzi, assistant professor and researcher of Webster University, Iran aided the Assad regime with a limited number of deployed units and personnel, "at most in the hundreds ... and not in the thousands as opposition sources claimed".[38] Lebanese Hezbollah fighters backed by Iran's government have taken direct combat roles since 2012.[34][39] In the summer of 2013, Iran and Hezbollah provided important battlefield support for Assad, allowing it to make advances on the opposition.[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

[democratisphere]

28. Aren't they the ones with weapons of mass destruction?!

[Aristus]

30. For me, it's all about the women.

There are beautiful women of every color in every culture on Earth. But Iranian women can be so staggeringly beautiful, they just take your breath away.

Make love, not war...

[Mr.Bill]

32. For me, it's all about the women, too.

And the religious leadership in may middle eastern countries treats their women like dogshit.

[Aristus]

33. Even after the Islamic Revolution, Iran is still slightly ahead of other Middle Eastern countries

with regard to women.

Slightly.

It's a low bar to clear, but it's better than nothing.

[KG]

31. A recycled fake enemy

[Calculating]

35. Saudi Arabia is the REAL enemy in the middle east

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