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niyad

(113,533 posts)
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:47 PM Oct 2018

A Woman Can Never Be Likable Enough From an early age, we're taught to please men. What if we got an

A Woman Can Never Be Likable Enough
From an early age, we’re taught to please men. What if we got angry instead?
By Katha PollittTwitter

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Activist Ana Maria Archila protests outside Senator Jeff Flake's office, September 24, 2018. (AP Photo / Andrew Harnik)


I really thought we had come farther. Even Barbie says it: Girls can do anything. After all, we now hold the majority of bachelors’ degrees, occupy half the seats in medical schools and law schools, run businesses and universities, and sit in Congress. There are even three of us on the Supreme Court. But if you ask why men still run the world, the answer you’ll get back isn’t sexual harassment, male violence, or discrimination—the mere mention of which is deeply unfair, to men. The explanation instead is still some variation of the one Lisa Belkin gave in The New York Times Magazine in 2003, when she profiled a bunch of Yale alumnae who had given up their big-time jobs to become stay-at-home wives: because we don’t want to. We’d rather be moms and have work-life balance and do yoga and make cookies. Remember how outraged people pretended to be when Hillary Clinton said she would rather practice her profession, which was law, than bake cookies? Those damn cookies. It’s not the baking that matters, it’s that you feel you have to do it: to be a good woman, to prove that even if you’re a brain surgeon you’re still just a mom at heart.

These are the rules of The Patriarchy that the #MeToo movement has exposed: the education, extracurriculars, service projects, credentials—they were never what being a girl was all about. Being a girl is about pleasing men: What they think of you and want from you and how you negotiate that in a world that does not want to hear about the darker side of what that can mean. You can be a world-class athlete, like those Olympic gymnasts, and still be molested by your doctor—and nothing will be done about it for years. You can be fantastically talented and lose your career if you don’t play along with Harvey Weinstein or Les Moonves. You can get a unionized factory job with decent pay and still be groped and insulted by both your boss and your fellow workers. You can get straight As and a great job and still feel you have to give your date a blow job because he expects it, and it just seems simpler that way—and maybe safer, too. You wouldn’t want him to think you were a tease or a bitch. Because from the moment you were born, you were told in a thousand ways that men liking you was the real measure of your value in the world. And without even realizing you were doing it, you learned to make yourself likable. To attract men, to disarm them, to manage them, to comfort them.

This for me is the meaning of the Senate Judiciary Committee testimony by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford. Whatever else a woman is—a PhD, a mother, a victim of a sex crime—the most important thing is that she be likable: attractive, relatable, unthreatening, nice. And Dr. Ford was so nice! Pretty—but not too pretty—educated, upper middle class, white, with glasses and a husband and kids and a house. She was just emotional enough—not detached, not “hysterical”—to conform to expectations about what a woman should look like when she tells the truth about being assaulted. She tried so hard to put those old reptiles on the committee at ease: joking in a self-deprecating way about her craving for caffeine, explaining the brain science behind her memories, as if they were all in the classroom together trying to figure out why a woman might remember that the two men assaulting her had laughed, but not remember how she got home that day.

Imagine if Dr. Ford were poor or fat or a woman of color. Imagine if she had had a rough divorce followed by numerous boyfriends. Imagine if she had written an article in Elle about her sexual fantasies, or her addiction to prescription meds, or her abortion. Others have said this, but it’s worth repeating that if Dr. Ford had behaved like Judge Brett Kavanaugh, she would have been dismissed as a liar and a crazy lady. Imagine if she had talked about how much she liked beer some 30 times. Imagine if she had displayed anger, hostility, arrogance, boasted about having gone to Yale, cried self-pitying tears, and thrown questions back in the senators’ faces, asking them if they ever had blackouts. Imagine if her high-school yearbook page were full of sexual slang and drinking innuendoes obvious to anyone who had ever been a teenager, and she had explained them away with obvious falsehoods. We would have said, well, that is exactly the kind of girl who was asking for it then and is lying now.

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https://www.thenation.com/article/a-woman-can-never-be-likable-enough/

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A Woman Can Never Be Likable Enough From an early age, we're taught to please men. What if we got an (Original Post) niyad Oct 2018 OP
Wow. Ohiogal Oct 2018 #1
So disheartening because it's true Johnny2X2X Oct 2018 #2
And if Hillary Clinton was a man she would be president right now. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #4
so very true. niyad Oct 2018 #15
. . . niyad Oct 2018 #3
I fought--I got some bruises to show for it. librechik Oct 2018 #5
K&R so everyone can see this. hunter Oct 2018 #6
if kava-not were an honourable man, he would not have accepted bloato's nomination, nor niyad Oct 2018 #7
A long time ago during a domestic abuse self defense trial Solly Mack Oct 2018 #8
there are no words for that kind of woman-hating stupidity and cluelessness. niyad Oct 2018 #9
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't - because of those warped standards invented by the Solly Mack Oct 2018 #10
I am reading a novel right now that takes place in the 60's in Great Britain. the rampant, blatant niyad Oct 2018 #11
The treatment of Anita Hill and Dr Ford shows how little things have changed. Solly Mack Oct 2018 #13
so very true. niyad Oct 2018 #16
So damn disheartening that we still have to have this fight. Kick and Rec. nt Hekate Oct 2018 #12
so very true. niyad Oct 2018 #18
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #14
you are most welcome. niyad Oct 2018 #19
Don't be too polite, girls! struggle4progress Oct 2018 #17
great group niyad Oct 2018 #20

Ohiogal

(32,047 posts)
1. Wow.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:58 PM
Oct 2018

This is SO spot-on! EXCELLENT piece.

Everything here written is true. And I was wondering to myself, after the Kav hearing was over ....... those old goats won't even believe a woman like Dr. Ford, who is white, educated, sincere, and intelligent .... what if she were a woman of color .... or fat ....or liked to drink ..... or had a lot of boyfriends? It's all so true. We're screwed no matter what.

Hopefully this will change if we continue to educate our sons the right way. I have faith in the younger generations coming along.

Johnny2X2X

(19,108 posts)
2. So disheartening because it's true
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 03:25 PM
Oct 2018

Compare Hillary's testimony to Congress to Kavanaugh's. She was calm, cool, and collected for 10 hours, and when she so much as flashed a little bit of terseness it was analyzed literally for years after. Compare it to Kavanaugh who was yelling, screaming, and accusing people. He was crying and half hysterical while he talked about his love for beer over and over. Hillary didn't flinch as Republican senators implied or flat out called her a murderer. No women would have gotten away with what Kavanaugh did without being literally hauled off. No Senate would have treated a man the way they did Hillary.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
5. I fought--I got some bruises to show for it.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:13 PM
Oct 2018

not much else.

Don't fight anymore. Stuffed that shit. I don't get anywhere, but hey, no bruises! Victory!

Maybe I'm just in process....But I am very very angry. Beyond any hope angry.

niyad

(113,533 posts)
7. if kava-not were an honourable man, he would not have accepted bloato's nomination, nor
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:35 PM
Oct 2018

would he have subjected his family to the publicity.

Solly Mack

(90,780 posts)
8. A long time ago during a domestic abuse self defense trial
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:48 PM
Oct 2018

where the victim of years of domestic abuse - who finally defended herself - was charged with the murder of her constant abuser, the jury voted to convict.

One juror (a man) said - the feel of the jury was the woman, who was taller & weighed more than her abuser, was simply too big for a man to have abused. This juror commented on the domestic abuse victims looks, saying she wasn't an attractive victim at all. Said that was the thinking of all the jury. Too tall, too ugly to be a victim of domestic abuse. Most on the jury were men, btw.

The years of abuse was documented in hospital records and police reports.

Still - she simply didn't meet the standard of what a victim should look like to the jury.





Solly Mack

(90,780 posts)
10. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't - because of those warped standards invented by the
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

patriarchy.

Standards intended to keep women down. To oppress them and to control them.

niyad

(113,533 posts)
11. I am reading a novel right now that takes place in the 60's in Great Britain. the rampant, blatant
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:58 PM
Oct 2018

sexism and patriarchal bs of some of the characters reminds me how little progress has actually been made since then.

Solly Mack

(90,780 posts)
13. The treatment of Anita Hill and Dr Ford shows how little things have changed.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 01:03 PM
Oct 2018

Members of Congress learned to hide behind one woman to attack another woman.

That was it.

niyad

(113,533 posts)
20. great group
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 01:44 PM
Oct 2018

ASUnational
Published on Aug 25, 2010
The Combined Unions Choir of Queensland singing "Don't be too polite girls"

Words by Glen Tomasetti

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