Unfortunately, Trump has an easy-out on his $1 mil Warren bet.

[Atman]

He said he'd give a million dollars if Warren could prove she was a native American. But the DNA test only proves she has a native American heritage, 10 generations ago, not that she is a native American. It's not the same thing. I'm of German/Irish heritage, it doesn't mean I'm actually German OR Irish. Semantics, I know...but Trump is a crook and a con-man who always finds a way out of paying his debts or keeping his word.

[jcgoldie]

1. Baloney

Everyone knows what he meant.

[fescuerescue]

24. I dunno. 95% I have no idea what Trump really means.

I don't think he does either.

[former9thward]

45. The Cherokee Nation said the test was worthless.

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/cherokee-nation-issues-statement-on-sen-elizabeth-warren-s-dna-test-results

[SWBTATTReg]

2. rump never intended to pay this or any other bills or debt or obligations. Never did, never will.

Just ask all of his former contractors.

[malaise]

5. He doesn't even remember saying it

or he's beyond brazen for this morning's denial.

[marylandblue]

3. Doesn't matter, he never proved he's not the son of an orangutan

He did not provide a DNA test, a long-form birth certificate , or veterinarian exam.

[JHan]

37. ...

[Kali]

38. !

[TheBlackAdder]

40. Yet, every day he supports that claim, being that all he does is throw feces around.

[lark]

4. He wouldn't pay up no matter what.

Now he's saying he has to administer the test. Such bullshit! Does he also do the reading and reporting.

There is no decency, no honor. no humanity anywhere in that bald, bulging, soft, pile of ugly orange wrinkles & bad skin.

[Achilleaze]

6. If Dirty Donny* tried that kind of sick 'republican weasel values' shit at any decent poker game

they would give him a 10-minute swirly in his sick freaking solid-gold republican toilet. It is so unAmerican. So lacking in honor.



* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[stonecutter357]

7. Cool Story, Bro !

[marybourg]

8. She proved exactly what she claimed.

[Atman]

20. Yes, I agree.

But listen to what Trump bet on...his bet wasn't that she had some native American heritage. He said she had to prove she was a native American. Big difference.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

9. Splitting hairs.

Why the fox news thing atman? No one I know would be associated w that. Why here? Even if it's a joke.

[Atman]

21. You have to look closely at it.

It says "The Fox News Presidency."

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

22. The big emblem overcomes the tiny byline. I've seen it before.

Cannot stand to look at it. Sorry.

[Atman]

42. Where did you see it?

Just curious, because I made it myself.

[madaboutharry]

10. It is 6 to 10 generations, not 10.

Don't let them dictate the narrative, it can be anywhere between 6 and 10 generations.

[fescuerescue]

25. Even 6 gens is pretty tenuous

My 6th Generation Grandfather is a Revolutionary war veteran.

Ancestry is fun, but generally speaking at 6 to 10 generations back, we are more related to a random stranger than a 6th or 10th generation grand parent.

[gratuitous]

11. Just call him Deadbeat Donny and have done with it

The man chisels on his taxes, cheats his employees and contractors, defrauds people (Trump University, anyone?) and welshes on bets. Why any decent person would get mixed up with this deadbeat is beyond me.

[hlthe2b]

12. most tribes require at least 1/16th Native heritage, which is one great-great grandparent.

With six generations back on the DNA, it is unlikely, but slightly possible she could meet that if she knew what tribe. She could then petition for tribal membership, which, if granted means the US Government has not a GD thing they could say about it. She would BE Native American.

Just sayin... She, of course, is not likely interested in doing so.

[world wide wally]

13. He doesn't even pay his house painters!

His word is as good as an overcooked noodle at Taco Bell.

[Raven123]

14. If I follow the logic here, Trump makes a claim about Warren that he demands she disproves.

But Kavanaugh ....

[ProudLib72]

15. I thought you were going to say they didn't shake on it

Or maybe he promised to pay her a million doll hairs. That's more his speed. Classic fifth grade.

[DVRacer]

16. Not going over well here in Oklahoma

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, who ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

- Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr.

[kentuck]

19. Does anyone know...?

If the different tribes put some weight behind the words that are passed down from one generation to the next by word of mouth?

[DVRacer]

26. I live here in Oklahoma

Everyone claims some relationship to a tribe but you are obligated to prove it for benefits. You more or less have to show a direct lineage to a person on the Dawes rolls. DNA tests are not something that is acceptable due to not being able to differentiate between North and South America or something. Sen Warren is being chewed up on local news today for her claims keep in mind we are home to the five major tribes. I feel that she would have been better off not saying anything. I have not wanted to look at my social media I glimpsed earlier and it’s bad here even among Democratic Party members which the tribes consist mainly of.

[marybourg]

31. She didn't claim tribal affiliation.

She only claimed a native ancestor, based on family lore.

[0rganism]

35. i don't recall her claiming "tribal affiliation" or asking for benefits

> "DNA tests can be used to determine lineage"
iirc, all she said was that she had a Native American ancestor many generations back, which, apparently, is exactly what the results of the DNA test suggest

[d_r]

43. I have problems with the western band of Cherokee

their basic point is that if you are not on the Dawes roll then you are not a Cherokee. That means if your ancestors were assimilated enough to pass for white or black by 1898 and 1914 to not be on the reservation to be listed on that roll you are not Cherokee. On the one hand, I totally get that if you didn't grow up Cherokee but grew up as white or black then you are not are not a part of that community, on the other hand, there are a lot of white and black folks in the south east who had Cherokee ancestors. I know that it is a joke that every one in the south has a Cherokee "princess" in their family line, and I get that, but at the same time there was a ton of confusion between the five south eastern nations, slaves, white folks. The Cherokee were so assimilated in north Georgia and SE Tennessee. The Dawes rolls only has those people who were in North Georgia on Cherokee tribal land and were sent on trail of tears. That got shrunk several times, so land that was Cherokee at one time point wasn't by then. For that matter, the Choctaw and Chickasaw were also so interwovan with white and black folks. I get that is why the trail of tears and the land grab was even more horrible than horrible, and I get why there was resentment of cousins who weren't living in the Cherokee territory and didn't get put on the trail of tears. I do get that. And I again, I understand that anyone not raised in the culture shouldn't appropriate it. But there should be some sort of other ground for the folks who have ancestors who were assimilated.

In her video she was pretty clear that she wasn't trying to appropriate the culture and that what really bothered her was the mocking of the culture.

I agree with him about the problems with the DNA tests, though. The Cherokee leaders are scared to death that wannabe cousins are going to start coming out of the wood pile waving DNA test results.

[spanone]

17. she could have been 200% Cherokee and he wouldn't have paid a penny.

FUCK HIM

[The Wielding Truth]

36. Pathological gambler.

[kentuck]

18. What a chickenshit he is !

..to back down his $1 million dollar bet.

She should keep on his ass until he pays up.

What a weasel!!

[Atman]

29. You're missing my point.

She didn't claim to be "a native American," she only claimed ancestry. Trump's bet was that she was a native American. Yes, of course he'll try to weasel out of it, but he is on video making a very different bet than "she has native American ancestors several generations in her past."

[fescuerescue]

23. Yea I noticed the same thing.

10 Gens back isn't the same as being a native American.

I have a grandmother that is native America, so my DNA test should show a very strong connection. But that's not enough for me to declare myself Cherokee.

[badhair77]

27. Always an angle. Always changing the rules.

Everything he does is a gimmick.

[C_U_L8R]

28. Nobody likes a welsher.

What a weak pathetic baby. Pay up, you deadbeat.

[malaise]

30. That makes no sense because one look at her and even the stupid Con would know that she's not

pure Native American.

[Atman]

32. It's TRUMP...who said it had to make sense?

Read the sub line of my OP again...I said Trump has an out, not that he isn't a lying weasel. He is on video making his bet, which is not the same as Warren's claim.

[malaise]

34. Bwaaaaaah

[Alwaysna]

33. Trump hasn't yet proved that he wasn't sired by an orange orangutan.

[tblue37]

39. 6-10 generations ago. Big difference between 6 generations and 10. nt

[Baltimike]

41. For that matter, he said, "Indian". nt

[flotsam]

44. Take him to court

Can you prove your a native American?
Yes, you honor-If he means by blood, here are my DNA results and if that's not enough here is my Oklahoma birth certificate and being born here means I'm a native American...