U.S. Intelligence Knew of Plot to Kidnap Khashoggi

[RandySF]

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[ProudLib72]

1. Complicit with the Rump!

No doubt about it!

[BeckyDem]

2. OMG

[Zoonart]

3. 45 and his criminal cabal are MONSTERS.

[Initech]

17. Yup, they probably popped the champagne.

They want to see this happen to all journalists they don't approve of.

[COLGATE4]

4. This is somewhat misleading.

US Intelligence intercepts heard Saudis discussing plans to arrest Kashoggi when he arrived in Saudi. The plans didn't involve kidnapping.

[watoos]

15. It most certainly was a kidnap plot.

[COLGATE4]

24. Well, if you say so

[gratuitous]

5. Why wouldn't the US warn him? Two reasons

$110 billion and the Washington Post.

[MineralMan]

6. Something, something, "would reveal sources and methods," Something...

That's the usual excuse provided in such cases.

[lagomorph777]

12. Sources of GOP income and methods of stealing it.

[asiliveandbreathe]

7. Journalists need to keep digging..and reporting on this story..everyday -

Front page...Lead story....Thank you Jake....

[Dawson Leery]

8. Why didn't Dubya do anything when warned that a "spectacular" attack was about to occur?

The GOP cannot be trusted with anything.

[SWBTATTReg]

9. So, now rump and cronies (son in law) are possible parties to Saudi Arabia kidnapping one of its'

citizens and killing them. Either the son in law provided valuable intelligence info. to SA or something. It's awful suspicious that something happened to this critic just right after he went for a 3 day trip to SA, isn't it?

[Wellstone ruled]

10. There was a message sent here.

Trump hates Reporters unless they kiss his fat ass. He and his Family of Grifters are on the hook for tens of millions of Saudi Money.

Timing of this story is interesting,weekend coming,mega damage from a Hurricane,and only a couple of Newies beating the brush.

Appears the GOP in down with Assassinations.

[watoos]

16. You nailed it.

Trump and Jared ignored the info and allowed the journalist to be killed to send a message to the Wa. Post.

[Wellstone ruled]

33. NBC's Richard Engels

pretty much said the same hours ago from his vantage in Saudi. There is so much more to come me thinks. Former US Ambassador to Saudi claims Trump and his people knew this was going down. When asked to elaborate,he just said,I said enough.

[matt819]

11. Sources and methods

Warning him would have/could have revealed sources and methods, both to Khashoggi and to the Saudis. Also, what about specifics? Okay, the Saudis had a plan to capture him. When, where, how? Did the plan include killing him? If not this time, might they try again? And, once more, when/where/how, and do you keep warning him? What if they don't do it? What if they try it in the US?

This is not to say that it was right not to warn him, but it might explain the failure to do so. And as despicable as trump is, this is not specifically a trump thing. This has been an issue for decades. What about non-specific threats - but threats nonetheless. A regular threat from wannabe terrorists back in the 1980s was, we will hijack a PanAm jet when we are able? And, whether specific or general, who gets warned, and how? And who is not warned, and why?

All of that said, I would argue that he should have been warned. So now the question is, who made the decision not to warn him? Was the inclination of the intelligence agency(ies) to warn? If so, was he, and did he travel anyway? If not, why not? At what level was the decision made not to warn him. Etc. Etc.

With the event having happened, what is beyond despicable was trump's response. Increasingly, the shit coming out of that vile monster makes me literally sick. My wife tells me to stop reading the news and stay off DU.

[PubliusEnigma]

13. He wasn't warned because Trump didn't approve. So, he died.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. You don't know that. You have no evidence for that. You can't post a credible link to that. . . . nt

[watoos]

28. Then Trump needs to step forward and clear the air.

There are journalists all over the world waiting to see how the United States will respond, journalists working in dangerous environments. I see that Trump is still sending Secretary Mnuchin to an economics conference being held in SA, while other business entities are pulling out.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. Yes, it is too murky. Too much Trump making public politic noises but lots of business as usual. nt

[PubliusEnigma]

31. The CIA new about the plans to kidnap. Trump knew, too. What is the excuse for staying mum?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Just because CIA knew doesn't mean tRump knew. Trump doesn't know much. Post a credible link

... if you can. I looked for any credible link saying Kushner or tRump knew beforehand about a plot to kill or kidnap Khashoggi and I haven't been able to find a link like that.

[Grasswire2]

14. That's probably what good Germans were told.

Stop reading the news.

But a woke populace is critical right now.

Handling the stress of it is important. I've been in the ER twice with blood pressure out of control. Listen to music, observe beauty, take a walk every day, play with a cat or dog. Laugh about something silly. Take care of yourself, Matt.

[watoos]

20. Exactly,

they want to demoralize us, make us apathetic, use fake polls, screw with the voting process. Screw them, all of this treasonous bs energizes me more and more. I can't wait until we take over Congress. I can't wait until Jerry Nadler exposes Trump's taxes. I can't wait until the NRA is investigated for funneling Russian money to most of the Republican candidates. Jail all of the traitorous bastards. I can't wait to vote.

[NewJeffCT]

21. In World War 2

The US and Britain let some of their own ships get sunk in order to keep the secret that they had broken the Nazi's supposedly unbreakable Enigma code in the late 1930s - the Germans made improvements to Enigma, but never realized that it had been broken until either 1945 or after the war was over.

[watoos]

18. He wasn't warned because Trump and Jared approved,

Jared and MBS are BFF. He wasn't warned because Trump wanted to send a message to the Wa.Post.

How about we start at the beginning, ask the CIA and NIA who they told about this threat. Was this a part of the daily briefing? Did anyone tell the CIA and NIA to sit on the threat?

These are questions that can be easily answered if someone chooses to ask the question.

[zipplewrath]

19. Exactly it

Typically, the US intelligence agencies are loath to take action on intelligence that would reveal that in fact they are gathering information from various covert sources (electronic or otherwise). Exceptions abound, and of course if it is in protection of certain US based interests, that is an obvious one. But they are also willing to "risk" damage to the US if the information isn't specific enough, or credible enough. This is nothing new. During WWII, intelligence was often hidden that would have otherwise aided military or civil forces to be prepared, or counteract enemy plans. They might try to influence the situation, but they would often give false reasons for advice to commanders hoping they'd take the necessary action. It didn't always work.

[watoos]

22. Not what I heard yesterday

from former intelligence officials. I heard from former officials that it is the law that they must inform individuals of credible threats against them.

Why wasn't the journalist informed?

[zipplewrath]

25. Foreign individuals?

And the other caveat there is "credible".

[watoos]

27. You are 100% wrong about your claim of foreign individual.

The man was a permanent resident of the U.S. but even if he wasn't our intelligence agencies are bound by law to notify people of threats against them.

I guess there is little argument to be made today whether the threat was credible, ehh?

Hey, he worked for the Wa.Post, an enemy of the people. Did you listen to what the president said when asked about the journalist? Our president said "it" was not a US citizen. He called a murdered man, "it."

[zipplewrath]

30. Not 100%

Intelligence Agencies Have a “Duty to Warn” Endangered Persons
Posted on Aug.24, 2015 in Intelligence by Steven Aftergood
Intelligence agencies that discover a threat to a person’s life or safety are obliged to alert the intended target in most cases as long as they can do so without compromising intelligence sources and methods, a new intelligence community directive instructs.

A U.S. intelligence agency “that collects or acquires credible and specific information indicating an impending threat of intentional killing, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping directed at a person or group of people shall have a duty to warn the intended victim or those responsible for protecting the intended victim, as appropriate,” the new directive states. “This includes threats where the target is an institution, place of business, structure, or location.”

Remarkably, “the term intended victim includes both U.S. persons… and non-U.S. persons.”

The “duty to warn” obligation, which in principle dates back at least several decades, was formally established last month by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper in Intelligence Community Directive 191, July 21, 2015.

It is not binding in all circumstances, however. Notification of the target would be waived if it “would unduly endanger U.S. government personnel, sources, methods, intelligence operations, or defense operations.”

https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2015/08/duty-to-warn/

[duforsure]

23. Trump knew

And did nothing . The prince probably asked him for his approval. trump will lie until he's exposed he was told before it happened.

[Gothmog]

29. Pulitzer-winning reporter explains how Saudis are keeping Trump's failing hotels open

trump is not taking any actions due to the fact that the Saudis are keeping his hotels alive

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