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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 12:59 PM Oct 2018

Looking at the latest Beto/Cruz polling, I think the Bredesen swoon is due to

a Kavanaugh bump on the right. The previous Beto/Cruz polling in September had Beto even or down 3 now he's down by 9. How else can you explain that when it seemed like Beto had Big Mo on his side? I think we have underestimated the effect that the SCOTUS battle had on the deplorable base. I don't think it will hold as we get closer to the election. If not these Senatorial races may be tough.

https://poll.qu.edu/texas/release-detail?ReleaseID=2578

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Looking at the latest Beto/Cruz polling, I think the Bredesen swoon is due to (Original Post) redstateblues Oct 2018 OP
Abbott is up by 20 in the governors race. nycbos Oct 2018 #1
My understanding is that the demographics just aren't there yet. Raven123 Oct 2018 #6
Demographics in population are there but demographics in likely voters are not. Hopefully this is a uponit7771 Oct 2018 #9
No, demographics are fine... TX should be Purple..., it's the 30% voter turnout JCMach1 Oct 2018 #14
Is that for Presidential elections? Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #18
Oh. BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #13
Kick grantcart Oct 2018 #2
Hopefully the Kavanaugh bump for conservatives fades by election day andym Oct 2018 #3
Since Cruz won by sixteen last time around. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #4
There has been so much positive about Beto's run that it's hard redstateblues Oct 2018 #5
It's not the deplorable base that cares about the SCOTUS, it's just regular ole Republicans. jpljr77 Oct 2018 #7
Beto just reported $38 Million for this quarter, not known for Carnival CRUZ. Incredible UTUSN Oct 2018 #8
It might not be rallying the base so much... LAS14 Oct 2018 #10
Hmm, this is a likely voter poll in Tx. Hopefully Beto is pulling out population demographics to win uponit7771 Oct 2018 #11
Massive waves of Fascist dark money flooding in to the nail biter... magicarpet Oct 2018 #12
Relax peeps, it was and is always about turning out Dems and Indy's in TX you can pretty much ignore JCMach1 Oct 2018 #15
Simply too many conservatives in Texas and Tennessee Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #16
But look at WV. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #17
For sure. Look at Maryland.Blue State with a R Gov redstateblues Oct 2018 #22
I lived in MD before and just don't understand Hogan's popularity mvd Oct 2018 #23
That Arizona news is dissapointing Blueman13 Oct 2018 #21
Because they are planning on stealing it, and skewed polls help. nt Baltimike Oct 2018 #19
They are stealing the GA governor race right out in the open, before Celerity Oct 2018 #20
Yep...but make sure you "watch your tone" Baltimike Oct 2018 #24

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
1. Abbott is up by 20 in the governors race.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:04 PM
Oct 2018

There aren't enough ticket splitters to give Beto a chance. Republicans were always going to come hone to Cruz.

If Beto loses by single digits I will be surprised.


Before people call me a troll I have worked on Democratic campaigns in six states on races ranging from city council to the presidency.

Donate your money elsewhere.

Raven123

(4,844 posts)
6. My understanding is that the demographics just aren't there yet.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:26 PM
Oct 2018

Even so, Dems got a good look at what kind of candidate energizes blue voters.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
9. Demographics in population are there but demographics in likely voters are not. Hopefully this is a
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:39 PM
Oct 2018

... re-configuring polling year.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
14. No, demographics are fine... TX should be Purple..., it's the 30% voter turnout
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:43 PM
Oct 2018

worst in the whole country

#50

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Turin_C3PO

(13,998 posts)
18. Is that for Presidential elections?
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:20 PM
Oct 2018

If so, that’s terrible. Reasons for this? Low minority turnout? Low white turnout? Both?

andym

(5,443 posts)
3. Hopefully the Kavanaugh bump for conservatives fades by election day
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:07 PM
Oct 2018

Abortion remains a very powerful motivation for social conservatives. Without it, the red states would be purple or even blue.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
4. Since Cruz won by sixteen last time around.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:09 PM
Oct 2018

Can't his run to three or so be considered big mo and his position down nine is a more settled place? Texas is moving and it's a good thing. The state has now been saturated with Beto. I think stabilizing forces are at play.

jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
7. It's not the deplorable base that cares about the SCOTUS, it's just regular ole Republicans.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:34 PM
Oct 2018

The deplorables know only what they're told about the SCOTUS. But Republicans know. It's why Trump won in 2016. And it's why R prospects are rising right now. Fortunately, it might be too long to hold on to that kind of anger and it might lead to a deficit of the only thing that works for Republicans, in the words of Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-Hissyfit), "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

UTUSN

(70,700 posts)
8. Beto just reported $38 Million for this quarter, not known for Carnival CRUZ. Incredible
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:36 PM
Oct 2018

Incredible that he has worked so hard, raised more than the Carnival, and nothing matters.





LAS14

(13,783 posts)
10. It might not be rallying the base so much...
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:39 PM
Oct 2018

... as raising the fear level of "innocent men being convicted" on the part of independents. I think that is an issue that blurs the lines, and runs pretty deep. It was at the heart of Collins speech.

magicarpet

(14,154 posts)
12. Massive waves of Fascist dark money flooding in to the nail biter...
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:48 PM
Oct 2018

... elections to stop the blue wave and save Rethug loss of face. They do not want under any circumstances to see Beto crush Cruz,.. that would be real bad optics. Big bucks allocated for TV ads could pull Cruz over the winning line.

Beto is the next Oval office threat for the Fascists to soon be coming down the road. Expect Beto to be trashed to shut his chances of getting near the White House down. This guy is dangerously charismatic and gives a good public speech. The Rethug radar screen must have Beto marked as a real up coming political threat.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
15. Relax peeps, it was and is always about turning out Dems and Indy's in TX you can pretty much ignore
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:44 PM
Oct 2018

any poll that doesn't have Cruz up by 15.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
16. Simply too many conservatives in Texas and Tennessee
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:13 PM
Oct 2018

That's the only category I look at, the liberal/conservative split. It provides far more clarity than polling. I never get fooled by polling that doesn't match the ideology of the state.

Those numbers of liberals and conservatives are like immovable stacks in a federal race.

The disappointing race is Arizona because that one is winnable but now the polling and odds have shifted against us. Apparently Sinema has many comments she made in past years that have been dug up by opposition research and now are being used effectively against her.

Turin_C3PO

(13,998 posts)
17. But look at WV.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:17 PM
Oct 2018

They are ideologically very conservative yet voted Manchin in over the Republican. Also there has, historically, been some very liberal states that have elected Republicans over Democrats. So sometimes the liberal/conservative federal divide can be turned upside down at the state level.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
22. For sure. Look at Maryland.Blue State with a R Gov
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:14 PM
Oct 2018

who is ahead by big double digits. Chapelle couldn't even help.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
23. I lived in MD before and just don't understand Hogan's popularity
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 12:35 AM
Oct 2018

I know he did away with some taxes that hurt the middle class. But I think surely he's been on the conservative side? I always thought MD voters were smarter than to think about a few taxes.

And I think Beto has a decent chance. This poll could be an outlier. We'll see how things look closer in.

 

Blueman13

(34 posts)
21. That Arizona news is dissapointing
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:44 PM
Oct 2018

I have wrestled between Nevada/Arizona being our best pickup up opportunity. We may very well not pickup a single seat.

Celerity

(43,396 posts)
20. They are stealing the GA governor race right out in the open, before
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:29 PM
Oct 2018

the eyes of the nation. It is insane to have one of the candidates also overseeing the election. If that isn't literally the archetypal example of a conflict of interest, I do not, and never will know the definition of a COI.

Baltimike

(4,146 posts)
24. Yep...but make sure you "watch your tone"
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 11:03 PM
Oct 2018

which reminds me of the early 2000's when the word "liar" was somehow off limits.

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