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Yavin4

(35,439 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:11 AM Oct 2018

Why do some Democratic candidates focus on winning over marginal Republicans instead of building up

a strong base of support from their own supporters? I get that in some states Republicans out-number Democrats in registration and in turn out. So, why not focus on registering more Democrats and turning them out? It's folly to ever expect some Republicans to break ranks and support you. That simply does not happen. Please cite evidence where that has worked ANY WHERE.

My hypothesis is that building up the Democratic base in so-called red states takes time, organization, and more importantly money to do, and some Democratic campaign consultants would much rather have candidates spend limited money on TV ads and polls which puts more money in their pockets. That's why they always stress that these candidates strip away Republican support.

Maybe I am wrong. If I am, please disabuse me of my theory. Thank you

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Why do some Democratic candidates focus on winning over marginal Republicans instead of building up (Original Post) Yavin4 Oct 2018 OP
Well, maybe that will build up our base there? we can do it Oct 2018 #1
Yeah, the strategy should depend on the district. Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #17
You are not wrong Gothmog Oct 2018 #2
I think that there are White working class voters that will support a progressive candidate Yavin4 Oct 2018 #5
Yes but they are already members of the Democratic Party Gothmog Oct 2018 #7
Some think it is easier to win over people who always vote instead of people who seldom/never vote. LonePirate Oct 2018 #3
Potato potatoe....pol scientists debate this one quite a bit. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #4
Democratic candidates span of campaigning is limited. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #6
Beto is losing..... brooklynite Oct 2018 #12
I don't expect Beto to win. I didn't think I put that assumption out there. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #13
The topic was the choice between attracting more base voters vs appealing to marginal Republicans brooklynite Oct 2018 #14
"My hypothesis is that building up the Democratic base in so-called red states takes time, " WeekiWater Oct 2018 #15
You cannot expect one candidate in one election to change everything over night. Yavin4 Oct 2018 #18
Because that has been the media narrative for years NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #8
It's difficult for an individual candidate to motivate a lot of MineralMan Oct 2018 #9
"Please cite evidence where that has worked ANY WHERE. " brooklynite Oct 2018 #10
Partly because our base refuses to vote manor321 Oct 2018 #11
Because that's what "consultants" and/or cable news tells them they need to do.... vi5 Oct 2018 #16
Which also explains why Republicans have gotten crazier and crazier. Yavin4 Oct 2018 #19
there aren't enough of "our" supporters in some states JI7 Oct 2018 #20
How do you know that? Yavin4 Oct 2018 #21
they aren't "our" voters in that case. JI7 Oct 2018 #23
You've hit upon our central problem as Democrats Yavin4 Oct 2018 #24
Because the dominant narrative says the Democratic Party has moved way left. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #22
Good question. ck4829 Oct 2018 #25

Gothmog

(145,263 posts)
2. You are not wrong
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:15 AM
Oct 2018

I do not understand this approach other than some candidates want to rely only on white working class voters who are not likely to change their voting patterns

Yavin4

(35,439 posts)
5. I think that there are White working class voters that will support a progressive candidate
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:20 AM
Oct 2018

esp. on healthcare and the min. wage.

Gothmog

(145,263 posts)
7. Yes but they are already members of the Democratic Party
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:23 AM
Oct 2018

The candidate who wants to focus only on white working class voters is also the candidate who cannot attract voters who are African American, Latino or Jewish.

I prefer focusing on base voters.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
6. Democratic candidates span of campaigning is limited.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:21 AM
Oct 2018

We often rely on national or local organizations to generate the grassroots movements you reference.

Still, people like Beto are showing how much can be accomplished in such a short amount of time. But that is really Beto's only way so it also makes sense for him as an individual candidate.

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
12. Beto is losing.....
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:32 AM
Oct 2018

...by an average of 7 points in the last five polls. Yes, he'll focus on turnout, but remember that in a State like Texas, each 1% you have to overcome represents 43,000 votes.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
13. I don't expect Beto to win. I didn't think I put that assumption out there.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:35 AM
Oct 2018

The topic was about slow change from red to blue. As I said, I think Beto is having a strong impact in that area.

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
14. The topic was the choice between attracting more base voters vs appealing to marginal Republicans
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:37 AM
Oct 2018

Beto's performance suggests that, in non-Blue States and districts, base voters can't be relied upon to provide the margin needed.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
15. "My hypothesis is that building up the Democratic base in so-called red states takes time, "
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:40 AM
Oct 2018

That is what I was referencing.

Yavin4

(35,439 posts)
18. You cannot expect one candidate in one election to change everything over night.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:48 PM
Oct 2018

I've said that what the party needs is to register and turnout more Democratic voters. That takes state organization, time, and resources. Resources that would be diverted away from the consultants and put into the hands of state organizations.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. Because that has been the media narrative for years
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:25 AM
Oct 2018

Democrats need to reach towards the voters in the middle while Republicans need to appeal to their base

MineralMan

(146,311 posts)
9. It's difficult for an individual candidate to motivate a lot of
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:27 AM
Oct 2018

voters who frequently skip elections. So, they try to flip more centrist Republicans to their side.

Does it work? Sometimes. If an unpopular President or Governor tops the ballot, it can bring infrequent voters to the polling place.

The "base" is made up of politically-interested voters. The assumption is that they will vote for the candidate of whichever party is closest to their individual points of view. In mid-term elections, though, that doesn't always work. Turnout is lower, always, than in presidential-year elections.

That's why party-based GOTV efforts are so important. With the exception of extremely popular individual candidates, candidate campaigns aren't big on GOTV effectiveness, frankly. GOTV is a party-wide function in most places.

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
10. "Please cite evidence where that has worked ANY WHERE. "
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:28 AM
Oct 2018

The 2006 election. We won the House by electing Blue Dogs is districts that don't have tens of thousands of unregistered progressive voters.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
11. Partly because our base refuses to vote
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:28 AM
Oct 2018

The people that our policies help don't fucking vote, ever.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
16. Because that's what "consultants" and/or cable news tells them they need to do....
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:48 AM
Oct 2018

.....Too many of our politicians and/or candidates view those two things as at best, their connection to the voters and at worst their primary constituents.

And both of those groups get paid big money to sell that lie to Democrats. The massive centrist victory and uprising is always just around the corner and it can never fail, it can only be failed by the dirty stinking hippies.

Yavin4

(35,439 posts)
19. Which also explains why Republicans have gotten crazier and crazier.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:50 PM
Oct 2018

Moderate Republicans always vote Republican no matter how repugnant the Republican candidate may be. See Donald Trump. You will never peel off enough of them to make any difference.

Yavin4

(35,439 posts)
21. How do you know that?
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:55 PM
Oct 2018

If your only metric is turnout, then yes, you are correct. However, non-voters always out-number the total turnout. So, maybe our voters are there, but there's not enough being offered to them to motivate them to vote.

Yavin4

(35,439 posts)
24. You've hit upon our central problem as Democrats
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oct 2018

What may motivate you to vote is different from other people. The vast majority of Americans don't watch cable news. They don't follow politics. They have no idea what Trump said at a rally.

They're trying to make the rent, take care of their kids, their elderly parents, working two or three jobs, dealing with a health crisis, etc. They're not on DU. They don't watch Rachel. They are in a daily struggle, and they need someone who can help them.

They need more motivation than "we're not as bad as the Republicans".

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. Because the dominant narrative says the Democratic Party has moved way left.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 03:00 PM
Oct 2018

In reality, the Democratic Party has slowly inched leftward, while the Republican Party has gone off the deep end. But reality and dominant media narratives don't get along with one another. Republicans capitalize on that and have been able to move the Overton Window pretty drastically.

Anyway, your OP is spot-on.

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