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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think I know why conservatives are freaking out over Taylor Swift supporting Democrats.
She started with good old-fashioned Country-music. A caucasian, blond, beautiful girl, who grew up Tennessee and is making white-people music.
And even after she left Country and moved to Pop-music, this scene refused to let her go. Country-music award shows still claimed her as one of their own long after she had moved on.
And I have read that were certain people on the internet (with certain opinions on things like skin-color), which revered her as some sort of symbol, not for her music, but for everything else: For being a pretty white girl making white-people music. Unsullied by the non-white outside-world.
As Taylor Swift did not make political statements, these kinds of followers never received contrary information.
And now imagine their shock when they discovered that the white, pretty girl making white-people music, who had always had the same opinion as you and who has always hated the same people as you, turns out to be nothing at all like in your imagination.
no_hypocrisy
(46,130 posts)1) The youth vote, and
2) Celebrity.
As to the latter, Trump has successfully used his celebrity throughout his administration. TS also has celebrity. She is a challenge.
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)Especially among conservatives with female children that came of age while Taylor Swift was becoming famous. There are milliions of young women out there who grew up with Taylor Swift. Their generation is already increasingly opposed to conservative policies. This will help galvanize them.
Young white women scare old white men almost as much as they turn them on. Old white men are terrified of women who can't be controlled by them.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Men who hate women do so because they are attracted to women and they see that as women having power over them. Those men, the ones who rail the loudest want to reduce women into being powerless out of fear of women.
Mopar151
(9,989 posts)If the wimmins have power over the gunz (like domestic violence restrictions on firearms), it makes the he-men a little cra-cra!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I rest my case.
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)WokeBlackMan
(6 posts)Why do so many GOP senators/reps look like they are part of the Incel community? I think thats where the intense fear and loathing for women comes from!
calimary
(81,332 posts)Well, as a woman, I find NONE of them physically attractive, mentally engaging, or emotionally sound. They're ugly inside AND out. After last week's ugly disgraceful tirade, I have HAD IT with Lindsey Graham. Same thing with Chuck Grassley. Same thing with Orrin Hatch. Same thing with John Cornyn. Same thing with Ted Cruz. Same thing with Miserable Mitch "Yertle" McConnell. Same thing with Rand Paul. Same thing with John Kennedy - who disgraces the name of a revered Democratic president. AND Jeff Flake, who briefly became a semi-sympathetic character - until he decided turncoat-ism fit better. Almost wished I were in the Senate myself, so I could say that to their faces.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)From the dustbin of history.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)dlk
(11,570 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)The majority of Evangelical Christian America, the swamp creatures, all the various White Power & White Nationalists groups & everyone else who is a proud member of the TRUMP CULT & blindly follow & defend their DEAR LEADER TRUMP are NOT Conservatives!
...Theyre extreme adherents of a Right Wing Radical Cult!!!
The true Conservatives have opposed TRUMP since day one...The problem is there are very few true Conservatives.
czarjak
(11,278 posts)Ask em.
blueseas
(11,575 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)very independent. she even dated some kennedy . she was happy about Obama being president.
she might not have been as direct in who she voted for as she is this time in her state. but everything else she did indicated she leaned more democratic and nothing she did showed she leaned republican.
rampartc
(5,420 posts)willie nelson, of course, and the dixie chicks.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)supports a lot of progressive positions. I'll bet that a lot of folks here didn't know that. She's also funny. "Why shouldn't gays get married? They can suffer like the rest of us."
flygal
(3,231 posts)True Blue American
(17,986 posts)A man yelled out, I love you Dolly! Her answer? I told you to stay on the back of the bus!
How she plays guitar is beyond me. Fingernails well over an inch long. But she is great ,also funny.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)K.D. Lang
hurple
(1,306 posts)is also very progressive
gordianot
(15,242 posts)Christie from New Jersey worshiped Springsteen from New Jersey. Springsteen hated the ground that POS occupied.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Ba-dum tsssssh! Thanks folks, I'll be here all week.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)maybe we could get a couple of people over here to help stand him up again.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)also had a big chunk of fans get pissed when he started endorsing Dem candidates. They thought musicians should just play and not be political. How many early and middle Springsteen songs do you have to listen to before you know hes a liberal? Were they deaf or just dense?
Augiedog
(2,548 posts)now Taylor Swift has said the same thing, only in a kinder more civilized manner.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)And I only see the word "conservative" on political signs in very red, racist parts of the state. In the purple region where I live, candidates just put their names, with no party or other affiliation on their signs.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,665 posts)charlyvi
(6,537 posts)On her family'y Christmas tree farm.
Freddie
(9,268 posts)Moved to Nashville with her family as a young teen trying to get into country music.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)but was going to have to look it up.
dlk
(11,570 posts)The usual epithets and mischaracterizations don't apply in this case.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)To the WH next week.
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Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Someone tweeted that out yesterday. I wish I knew who it was, because it's brilliant.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Found a way to gain a little more notoriety.
He is as nutty as Trump when he does not take his meds. They make a fine pair.
watoos
(7,142 posts)she is getting a lot of young people to register to vote.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)(Her music is a sticky by-product.)
I find it heartening that she's done the research and decided she gets richer with us, and poorer with them.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)Initech
(100,083 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)Some country musicians may skew progressive, but country fans .. that's another story. Recall how the country fans reacted to the Dixie Chicks and their dissing of Bush.
catrose
(5,068 posts)I mean, seriously, THAT's what it took to motivate them?
I just read that the polio vaccination rate in the US was .6% in 1956. On Oct 28, a photo of Elvis Presley getting his shot hit the papers/air waves. Vaccination rate soared to 80%. I'm old enough to have absorbed the terror of polio. I thought everyone was so scared that they naturally rushed to vaccinate, but NOPE. Took a celebrity showing the way. Alrighty then.
Maybe I should change my attitude to "Whatever it takes."
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It works.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)It takes what it takes.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Many others in the music business will also join in , and get the younger people out to vote. And more will.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)She and the rest of the MAGAts were SO excited to have a musical celebrity (beyond the esteemed Ted Nugent and Kid Rock) on their "side," so they were all gleefully sharing a picture that anyone with two brain cells to rub together could immediately see was photoshopped.
Me.
(35,454 posts)she said as much...'after the year I've had' was how she put it.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and she talked, with no little bit of emotion, about winning that case - I think she said it was the 1 year anniversary - and she begged everyone listening to report if something like that or worse ever happens to them. Quite a few tears in the audience and on stage at the time.
I can't remember anything else specifically she said but I got the impression throughout the show that she was a left-leaning entertainer. I'm glad my wife made me take her to the show.
Sneederbunk
(14,292 posts)The last thing Repugs want are Millenials voting.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)They were just so certain she was their kind of bigot.
No more Ms. Nice Girl!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)See, the thing about "social justice" is that it's been maligned as something that "crazy far left wing snowflakes" have been "driving down our throats." The Republicans have created a caricature of this "type" as a college educated, high and mighty, snotty know nothing. The stereotype is very fucking strong.
Of course "social justice" has never been about these college educated "snowflakes." It's always been about justice. When they marched in Selma no one could rationally attribute their actions to their caricature of crazy college kids who want to force an ideology on people. Gay marriage, social justice, suffrage, social justice, choice, social justice. These are issues that the left has owned and pushed for decades, but the Republicans want to separate out these issues and make it about something else.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Meeting people of different cultures and lifestyles, suddenly you aren't fucking scared of them anymore. The assholes down in their dungeon can't stand "normies".
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)as a white male, how many other white people make comments to me (political, racial, etc) and expect me to nod right along. they get even more confused when I put them in their place.
occasionally i'll get called a SJW, to which I respond "yes, guilty of being a good human being, you are damn right I will stand up for others."
it's about this time they realize the 6'4" 300 lbs guy in front of them is about to beat their ass, so they shut up pretty damn quick.
???
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)It is used as a pejorative by right wingers. They might as well say "Ewww, you like minorities?"
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)It's a term popular with, and thrown around by, Rush Limbaugh acolytes.
I've never had anyone call me a Social Justice Warrior, and I'm probably the most liberal/progressive guy anyone could ever meet.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I am the stereotypical version of someone who is a republican. Southern, white, upper-middle class. Drive a truck and wear boots when the weather in Florida allows it.
I wish I had on film all the times I told someone talking to me that I am a Social Democrat.
But because I am a somewhat big guy they just start mumbling. I normally tell them to watch something other than Fox News.
The conversation abruptly ends.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)when a woman at an event I did started complaining about the dirty Mexican custodial crew, I said "soy blanco, no mexicano, pero eres racista.
when she asked what it meant, I said I am part mexican. what I really said was "I am white, not Mexican, but you are racist."
whether she understood me or not, she shut the fuck up pdq.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)nt
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Unfortunately there is a small segment of the hip hop community that reveres Shitstain because he's rich and has his name on everything.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I wouldn't call myself a full-blown Taylor Swift fan, but I have listened to enough of her work to know that she wouldn't support the ideals of Trump America. This is no surprise to me or anyone else who is somewhat familiar with the songs that she writes and performs.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)It must really suck for them that she's now officially outed herself as NOT being an Aryan Barbie doll. But everyone who liked her or her music already knew that.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Just like with Willie Nelson, they're in love with some idea of the artist they've got stuck in their brains.
If they were paying any attention at all, they'd realize that, once again, this person is not a nazi. (They almost never are.)
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)after all those years of assuming they knew what the entertainer stood for, they get blindsided.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Willie has always been a Democrat. Many of the hard scrabble fans are too because they Remember FDR and the TVA.
The ignorant baby boomers who grew up nice middle class forgot how their Fathers fought for decent wage standards and Benefits. They squandered it all by voting Republican. Now the young have to turn it around again
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)don't blame me.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Like in my family do not either, but you have to admit millions did and do.
catbyte
(34,408 posts)co-opt her image:
Can't Shake It Off: How Taylor Swift Became a Nazi Idol
Nazis and members of the "alt-right" consider Taylor Swift an Aryan pop queen who is red pilling America into a race war through her pop hits.
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"Firstly, Taylor Swift is a pure Aryan goddess, like something out of classical Greek poetry. Athena reborn. That's the most important thing," explains Andre Anglin, the writer of the white supremacist blog the Daily Stormer. "It is also an established fact that Taylor Swift is secretly a Nazi and is simply waiting for the time when Donald Trump makes it safe for her to come out and announce her Aryan agenda to the world. Probably, she will be betrothed to Trump's son, and they will be crowned American royalty." (Swift is notoriously private about her political leanings, although, after Obama was elected, she told Rolling Stone, "I've never seen this country so happy about a political decision in my entire time of being alive. I'm so glad this was my first election."
It's unclear when the white supremacists started writing blog posts about their Taylor Swift fandom. Anglin believes Swift Nazi memes may have existed since her "Teardrops on My Guitar" days. "Some believe it was meme magic that made her famousthough no one can be certain," he says. "We are certain that as soon as Nazis saw her, they were magnetically drawn to her sculpted Aryan form and angelic demeanor."
Breitbart columnist Milo Yiannopoulos believes the memes may have originated with a Pinterest user named @poopcutie, which was helmed by a teenage girl named Emily Pattinson. In 2013, she started pining memes attributing Adolf Hitler quotes to Swift to spoof memes that falsely attributed inspiring quotes to Marilyn Monroe. Pattinson emblazoned an image of Swift in a ball gown walking past trees with the Hitler quote: "As in everything, NATURE is the best instruction." BuzzFeed aggregated her posts without asking Pattinson for comment, and then Pattinson went viral. "Everyone wants to go viral," she says. She soon learned that short-lived Internet fame isn't what it's cracked up to be, when Swift's lawyer, J Douglas Baldridge, sent Pinterest a threatening letter, which Pattinson provided to Broadly. Part of the letter read as follows:
The association of Ms. Swift with Adolf Hitler undisputedly is 'harmful,' 'abusive,' 'ethnically offensive,' 'humiliating to other people,' 'libelous,' and no doubt 'otherwise objectionable.' It is of no import that Ms. Swift may be a public figure or that Pinterest conveniently now argues that the Offending Material is mere satire or parody. Public figures have rights. And, there are certain historical figures, such as Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson and the like, who are universally identified in the case law and popular culture as lightning rods for emotional and negative reaction.
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ae5x8a/cant-shake-it-off-how-taylor-swift-became-a-nazi-idol
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Here's an example of them attempting to attribute Hitler quotes to her. (As if she'd be babbling about the League of Nations 80 years after its dissolution.) 😂
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ancianita
(36,109 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)started with the death threats yet?
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)As one would expect of an entertainer with her wealth and stature.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Not too far from "Chinese food for white people," which is what my ex-wife, who is Chinese, calls P F CHANG'S.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)They are angry because she is supporting Democrats. They like Kanye West because he supports Republicans. The same people who are freaking out about Taylor Swift are the same people who freaked out in the past about LeBron James supporting Democrats. Republicans support anyone who supports Republican ideas and Republican politicians, but hate anyone who supports Democratic ideas and Democratic politicians. This has been going on for years. Republicans at FOX News and Republicans in general have praised foreigners who supported Republican ideas while opposing foreigners who support Democratic ideas. They have praised celebrities who support Republican ideas while opposing celebrities who support Democratic ideas. Laura Ingraham and FOX News hosts have told liberal celebrities to shut up and do their jobs while applauding conservative celebrities for speaking their minds.