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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:57 AM Oct 2018

I think I know why conservatives are freaking out over Taylor Swift supporting Democrats.

She started with good old-fashioned Country-music. A caucasian, blond, beautiful girl, who grew up Tennessee and is making white-people music.

And even after she left Country and moved to Pop-music, this scene refused to let her go. Country-music award shows still claimed her as one of their own long after she had moved on.

And I have read that were certain people on the internet (with certain opinions on things like skin-color), which revered her as some sort of symbol, not for her music, but for everything else: For being a pretty white girl making white-people music. Unsullied by the non-white outside-world.



As Taylor Swift did not make political statements, these kinds of followers never received contrary information.



And now imagine their shock when they discovered that the white, pretty girl making white-people music, who had always had the same opinion as you and who has always hated the same people as you, turns out to be nothing at all like in your imagination.

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I think I know why conservatives are freaking out over Taylor Swift supporting Democrats. (Original Post) DetlefK Oct 2018 OP
And these two items: no_hypocrisy Oct 2018 #1
This is the right answer. . . . ET Awful Oct 2018 #17
Here's a novel thought lunatica Oct 2018 #30
I dunno "novel", but that certainly describes quite a few! Mopar151 Oct 2018 #36
Exactly. lunatica Oct 2018 #37
Can't argue with that logic. . . . n/t ET Awful Oct 2018 #42
They're ALL part of the same group WokeBlackMan Oct 2018 #69
Welcome to DU, WokeBlackMan! calimary Oct 2018 #73
Gotta stop saying "conservative." They are RADICAL RIGHT WINGERS! LBM20 Oct 2018 #2
Radical Right Whingers! perhaps... nt uriel1972 Oct 2018 #9
Full on fascists OhNo-Really Oct 2018 #13
The pro-stupidity groups DemocracyMouse Oct 2018 #58
They Are Reactionary Radicals dlk Oct 2018 #16
Yes, I agree! SkyDaddy7 Oct 2018 #48
But they make a hell of a team... czarjak Oct 2018 #61
Or Con artist to the nth degree blueseas Oct 2018 #80
but she DID show signs of her leanings . she supported gay rights, she was very pro woman JI7 Oct 2018 #3
country musicians can be as progressive as anyone rampartc Oct 2018 #4
Dolly Parton greymattermom Oct 2018 #6
She also wrote a song about the suffragists! flygal Oct 2018 #8
At a Dolly Concert True Blue American Oct 2018 #20
Also cannabis_flower Oct 2018 #35
Jason Isbell hurple Oct 2018 #51
There is a certain Christie-Springsteen effect going on here gordianot Oct 2018 #5
And that covers a LOT of ground gratuitous Oct 2018 #26
I already tipped the waiter... SeattleVet Oct 2018 #43
Springsteen RobinA Oct 2018 #71
The goobers have taken a double whammy now. Willie Nelson told them to go fuck themselves and Augiedog Oct 2018 #7
They win every time someone confers the respect of "conservative" upon them. Trust Buster Oct 2018 #10
I live in Georgia. greymattermom Oct 2018 #14
They want to be called conservative. Yet, they act like animals. They do not deserve such respect. Trust Buster Oct 2018 #15
I think the use of the C-word on DU should be considered a right wing talking point. Trust Buster Oct 2018 #11
K&R! Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #12
She grew up in Pennsylvania charlyvi Oct 2018 #18
Near Reading PA Freddie Oct 2018 #31
Thanks. I was pretty sure it was in PA, Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2018 #50
Swift will be Difficult for the Radical Right to Demonize dlk Oct 2018 #19
Trump is having Kanye True Blue American Oct 2018 #21
Taylor took the microphone away from Kanye this time. Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #53
Kanya True Blue American Oct 2018 #76
They are freaking out because watoos Oct 2018 #22
She's always been a great businesswoman. violetpastille Oct 2018 #23
This post is a perfectly concise explanation of the whole Swift dust-up. rogue emissary Oct 2018 #24
Neo Nazis have a creepy lust over her and view her as an "Ayran Goddess". Initech Oct 2018 #25
+1 dalton99a Oct 2018 #29
It's the Dixie Chicks All Over kennetha Oct 2018 #27
It actually makes me sad that people are rushing to register in response to her statement catrose Oct 2018 #28
Good change lunatica Oct 2018 #33
It makes me exceedingly happy. Iggo Oct 2018 #59
They're scared duforsure Oct 2018 #32
My low-life Republican (but I repeat myself) sister once posted a pic of Swift in a MAGAt hat on FB. deurbano Oct 2018 #34
I Believe Something Happened To Her This Year Me. Oct 2018 #38
That would be the ass-grab, I assume, though that was last year Tarc Oct 2018 #44
We saw her show a few weeks ago in Tampa OriginalGeek Oct 2018 #45
She influences Millenials. Sneederbunk Oct 2018 #39
In the nethernets of the alt right she was the go-to meme for white female identity politics Anon-C Oct 2018 #40
They're freaking out because her views are "social justice." joshcryer Oct 2018 #41
That's what happens when you leave the basement RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #54
it always amazes me BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #46
SJW? hurple Oct 2018 #52
Social Justice Warrior RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #55
Social Justice Warrior Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #56
Right there with you. GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #70
i like to tailor my insults BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #79
Ironically Kanye is more like them politically speaking TNLib Oct 2018 #47
Kanye is a fucking moron who thinks Trump is "successful" RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #57
Did any of these disgruntled 'fans' actually listen to her music? Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #49
I'm sure they're more visually stimulated , if you get my meaning. Iggo Oct 2018 #60
Yes, I get it. Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #62
And that's the thing, isn't it? Iggo Oct 2018 #67
Kind of like Willie Nelson... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #63
Funny thing is True Blue American Oct 2018 #77
Well, this baby boomer hasn't voted for an R since Nixon... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #81
The smart ones True Blue American Oct 2018 #83
They must've ignored all of the "cease & desist" orders from her lawyers when they tried to catbyte Oct 2018 #64
The Dixie Chicks, Willie Nelson and Taylor Swift left white country prejudice a long time ago. ancianita Oct 2018 #65
Have the kooks The Wizard Oct 2018 #66
There's always death threats. Iggo Oct 2018 #68
Taylor has a security army. Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #78
I like your term "white people music." pangaia Oct 2018 #72
We have a similar name for Taco Bell. Iggo Oct 2018 #74
Ha ha.. pangaia Oct 2018 #75
She Is Supporting Democrats erpowers Oct 2018 #82

no_hypocrisy

(46,130 posts)
1. And these two items:
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:03 AM
Oct 2018

1) The youth vote, and
2) Celebrity.

As to the latter, Trump has successfully used his celebrity throughout his administration. TS also has celebrity. She is a challenge.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
17. This is the right answer. . . .
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:10 AM
Oct 2018

Especially among conservatives with female children that came of age while Taylor Swift was becoming famous. There are milliions of young women out there who grew up with Taylor Swift. Their generation is already increasingly opposed to conservative policies. This will help galvanize them.

Young white women scare old white men almost as much as they turn them on. Old white men are terrified of women who can't be controlled by them.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
30. Here's a novel thought
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:30 PM
Oct 2018

Men who hate women do so because they are attracted to women and they see that as women having power over them. Those men, the ones who rail the loudest want to reduce women into being powerless out of fear of women.

Mopar151

(9,989 posts)
36. I dunno "novel", but that certainly describes quite a few!
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:52 PM
Oct 2018

If the wimmins have power over the gunz (like domestic violence restrictions on firearms), it makes the he-men a little cra-cra!

WokeBlackMan

(6 posts)
69. They're ALL part of the same group
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:53 PM
Oct 2018

Why do so many GOP senators/reps look like they are part of the “Incel” community? I think that’s where the intense fear and loathing for women comes from!

calimary

(81,332 posts)
73. Welcome to DU, WokeBlackMan!
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:26 PM
Oct 2018

Well, as a woman, I find NONE of them physically attractive, mentally engaging, or emotionally sound. They're ugly inside AND out. After last week's ugly disgraceful tirade, I have HAD IT with Lindsey Graham. Same thing with Chuck Grassley. Same thing with Orrin Hatch. Same thing with John Cornyn. Same thing with Ted Cruz. Same thing with Miserable Mitch "Yertle" McConnell. Same thing with Rand Paul. Same thing with John Kennedy - who disgraces the name of a revered Democratic president. AND Jeff Flake, who briefly became a semi-sympathetic character - until he decided turncoat-ism fit better. Almost wished I were in the Senate myself, so I could say that to their faces.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
48. Yes, I agree!
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:02 PM
Oct 2018

The majority of Evangelical Christian America, the swamp creatures, all the various White Power & White Nationalists groups & everyone else who is a proud member of the TRUMP CULT & blindly follow & defend their DEAR LEADER TRUMP are NOT “Conservatives”!

...They’re extreme adherents of a Right Wing Radical Cult!!!

The true “Conservatives” have opposed TRUMP since day one...The problem is there are very few true Conservatives.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
3. but she DID show signs of her leanings . she supported gay rights, she was very pro woman
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:11 AM
Oct 2018

very independent. she even dated some kennedy . she was happy about Obama being president.

she might not have been as direct in who she voted for as she is this time in her state. but everything else she did indicated she leaned more democratic and nothing she did showed she leaned republican.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
6. Dolly Parton
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:35 AM
Oct 2018

supports a lot of progressive positions. I'll bet that a lot of folks here didn't know that. She's also funny. "Why shouldn't gays get married? They can suffer like the rest of us."

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
20. At a Dolly Concert
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:27 AM
Oct 2018

A man yelled out,” I love you Dolly!” Her answer? ” I told you to stay on the back of the bus!”

How she plays guitar is beyond me. Fingernails well over an inch long. But she is great ,also funny.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
5. There is a certain Christie-Springsteen effect going on here
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:27 AM
Oct 2018

Christie from New Jersey worshiped Springsteen from New Jersey. Springsteen hated the ground that POS occupied.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
43. I already tipped the waiter...
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:26 PM
Oct 2018

maybe we could get a couple of people over here to help stand him up again.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
71. Springsteen
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:56 PM
Oct 2018

also had a big chunk of fans get pissed when he started endorsing Dem candidates. They thought musicians should just play and not be political. How many early and middle Springsteen songs do you have to listen to before you know he’s a liberal? Were they deaf or just dense?

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
7. The goobers have taken a double whammy now. Willie Nelson told them to go fuck themselves and
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:50 AM
Oct 2018

now Taylor Swift has said the same thing, only in a kinder more civilized manner.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
14. I live in Georgia.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:00 AM
Oct 2018

And I only see the word "conservative" on political signs in very red, racist parts of the state. In the purple region where I live, candidates just put their names, with no party or other affiliation on their signs.

Freddie

(9,268 posts)
31. Near Reading PA
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:31 PM
Oct 2018

Moved to Nashville with her family as a young teen trying to get into country music.

dlk

(11,570 posts)
19. Swift will be Difficult for the Radical Right to Demonize
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:20 AM
Oct 2018

The usual epithets and mischaracterizations don't apply in this case.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
53. Taylor took the microphone away from Kanye this time.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:05 PM
Oct 2018

Someone tweeted that out yesterday. I wish I knew who it was, because it's brilliant.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
76. Kanya
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:19 AM
Oct 2018

Found a way to gain a little more notoriety.

He is as nutty as Trump when he does not take his meds. They make a fine pair.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
23. She's always been a great businesswoman.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:41 AM
Oct 2018

(Her music is a sticky by-product.)

I find it heartening that she's done the research and decided she gets richer with us, and poorer with them.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
27. It's the Dixie Chicks All Over
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:21 PM
Oct 2018

Some country musicians may skew progressive, but country fans .. that's another story. Recall how the country fans reacted to the Dixie Chicks and their dissing of Bush.

catrose

(5,068 posts)
28. It actually makes me sad that people are rushing to register in response to her statement
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:26 PM
Oct 2018

I mean, seriously, THAT's what it took to motivate them?

I just read that the polio vaccination rate in the US was .6% in 1956. On Oct 28, a photo of Elvis Presley getting his shot hit the papers/air waves. Vaccination rate soared to 80%. I'm old enough to have absorbed the terror of polio. I thought everyone was so scared that they naturally rushed to vaccinate, but NOPE. Took a celebrity showing the way. Alrighty then.

Maybe I should change my attitude to "Whatever it takes."

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
32. They're scared
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:31 PM
Oct 2018

Many others in the music business will also join in , and get the younger people out to vote. And more will.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
34. My low-life Republican (but I repeat myself) sister once posted a pic of Swift in a MAGAt hat on FB.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:47 PM
Oct 2018

She and the rest of the MAGAts were SO excited to have a musical celebrity (beyond the esteemed Ted Nugent and Kid Rock) on their "side," so they were all gleefully sharing a picture that anyone with two brain cells to rub together could immediately see was photoshopped.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
38. I Believe Something Happened To Her This Year
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

she said as much...'after the year I've had' was how she put it.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
45. We saw her show a few weeks ago in Tampa
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:55 PM
Oct 2018

and she talked, with no little bit of emotion, about winning that case - I think she said it was the 1 year anniversary - and she begged everyone listening to report if something like that or worse ever happens to them. Quite a few tears in the audience and on stage at the time.

I can't remember anything else specifically she said but I got the impression throughout the show that she was a left-leaning entertainer. I'm glad my wife made me take her to the show.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
40. In the nethernets of the alt right she was the go-to meme for white female identity politics
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

They were just so certain she was their kind of bigot.

No more Ms. Nice Girl!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
41. They're freaking out because her views are "social justice."
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:04 PM
Oct 2018

See, the thing about "social justice" is that it's been maligned as something that "crazy far left wing snowflakes" have been "driving down our throats." The Republicans have created a caricature of this "type" as a college educated, high and mighty, snotty know nothing. The stereotype is very fucking strong.

Of course "social justice" has never been about these college educated "snowflakes." It's always been about justice. When they marched in Selma no one could rationally attribute their actions to their caricature of crazy college kids who want to force an ideology on people. Gay marriage, social justice, suffrage, social justice, choice, social justice. These are issues that the left has owned and pushed for decades, but the Republicans want to separate out these issues and make it about something else.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
54. That's what happens when you leave the basement
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:09 PM
Oct 2018

Meeting people of different cultures and lifestyles, suddenly you aren't fucking scared of them anymore. The assholes down in their dungeon can't stand "normies".

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
46. it always amazes me
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:42 PM
Oct 2018

as a white male, how many other white people make comments to me (political, racial, etc) and expect me to nod right along. they get even more confused when I put them in their place.

occasionally i'll get called a SJW, to which I respond "yes, guilty of being a good human being, you are damn right I will stand up for others."

it's about this time they realize the 6'4" 300 lbs guy in front of them is about to beat their ass, so they shut up pretty damn quick.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
55. Social Justice Warrior
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:11 PM
Oct 2018

It is used as a pejorative by right wingers. They might as well say "Ewww, you like minorities?"

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
56. Social Justice Warrior
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:12 PM
Oct 2018

It's a term popular with, and thrown around by, Rush Limbaugh acolytes.

I've never had anyone call me a Social Justice Warrior, and I'm probably the most liberal/progressive guy anyone could ever meet.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
70. Right there with you.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:46 PM
Oct 2018

I am the stereotypical version of someone who is a republican. Southern, white, upper-middle class. Drive a truck and wear boots when the weather in Florida allows it.

I wish I had on film all the times I told someone talking to me that I am a Social Democrat.

But because I am a somewhat big guy they just start mumbling. I normally tell them to watch something other than Fox News.

The conversation abruptly ends.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
79. i like to tailor my insults
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:53 AM
Oct 2018

when a woman at an event I did started complaining about the dirty Mexican custodial crew, I said "soy blanco, no mexicano, pero eres racista.


when she asked what it meant, I said I am part mexican. what I really said was "I am white, not Mexican, but you are racist."

whether she understood me or not, she shut the fuck up pdq.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
57. Kanye is a fucking moron who thinks Trump is "successful"
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:12 PM
Oct 2018

Unfortunately there is a small segment of the hip hop community that reveres Shitstain because he's rich and has his name on everything.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
49. Did any of these disgruntled 'fans' actually listen to her music?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:04 PM
Oct 2018

I wouldn't call myself a full-blown Taylor Swift fan, but I have listened to enough of her work to know that she wouldn't support the ideals of Trump America. This is no surprise to me or anyone else who is somewhat familiar with the songs that she writes and performs.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
62. Yes, I get it.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:24 PM
Oct 2018

It must really suck for them that she's now officially outed herself as NOT being an Aryan Barbie doll. But everyone who liked her or her music already knew that.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
67. And that's the thing, isn't it?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:46 PM
Oct 2018

Just like with Willie Nelson, they're in love with some idea of the artist they've got stuck in their brains.

If they were paying any attention at all, they'd realize that, once again, this person is not a nazi. (They almost never are.)

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
63. Kind of like Willie Nelson...
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:30 PM
Oct 2018

after all those years of assuming they knew what the entertainer stood for, they get blindsided.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
77. Funny thing is
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:25 AM
Oct 2018

Willie has always been a Democrat. Many of the hard scrabble fans are too because they Remember FDR and the TVA.

The ignorant baby boomers who grew up nice middle class forgot how their Fathers fought for decent wage standards and Benefits. They squandered it all by voting Republican. Now the young have to turn it around again

catbyte

(34,408 posts)
64. They must've ignored all of the "cease & desist" orders from her lawyers when they tried to
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:49 PM
Oct 2018

co-opt her image:

Can't Shake It Off: How Taylor Swift Became a Nazi Idol

Nazis and members of the "alt-right" consider Taylor Swift an Aryan pop queen who is “red pilling” America into a race war through her pop hits.

snip

"Firstly, Taylor Swift is a pure Aryan goddess, like something out of classical Greek poetry. Athena reborn. That's the most important thing," explains Andre Anglin, the writer of the white supremacist blog the Daily Stormer. "It is also an established fact that Taylor Swift is secretly a Nazi and is simply waiting for the time when Donald Trump makes it safe for her to come out and announce her Aryan agenda to the world. Probably, she will be betrothed to Trump's son, and they will be crowned American royalty." (Swift is notoriously private about her political leanings, although, after Obama was elected, she told Rolling Stone, "I've never seen this country so happy about a political decision in my entire time of being alive. I'm so glad this was my first election.&quot

It's unclear when the white supremacists started writing blog posts about their Taylor Swift fandom. Anglin believes Swift Nazi memes may have existed since her "Teardrops on My Guitar" days. "Some believe it was meme magic that made her famous—though no one can be certain," he says. "We are certain that as soon as Nazis saw her, they were magnetically drawn to her sculpted Aryan form and angelic demeanor."

Breitbart columnist Milo Yiannopoulos believes the memes may have originated with a Pinterest user named @poopcutie, which was helmed by a teenage girl named Emily Pattinson. In 2013, she started pining memes attributing Adolf Hitler quotes to Swift to spoof memes that falsely attributed inspiring quotes to Marilyn Monroe. Pattinson emblazoned an image of Swift in a ball gown walking past trees with the Hitler quote: "As in everything, NATURE is the best instruction." BuzzFeed aggregated her posts without asking Pattinson for comment, and then Pattinson went viral. "Everyone wants to go viral," she says. She soon learned that short-lived Internet fame isn't what it's cracked up to be, when Swift's lawyer, J Douglas Baldridge, sent Pinterest a threatening letter, which Pattinson provided to Broadly. Part of the letter read as follows:

The association of Ms. Swift with Adolf Hitler undisputedly is 'harmful,' 'abusive,' 'ethnically offensive,' 'humiliating to other people,' 'libelous,' and no doubt 'otherwise objectionable.' It is of no import that Ms. Swift may be a public figure or that Pinterest conveniently now argues that the Offending Material is mere satire or parody. Public figures have rights. And, there are certain historical figures, such as Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson and the like, who are universally identified in the case law and popular culture as lightning rods for emotional and negative reaction.

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ae5x8a/cant-shake-it-off-how-taylor-swift-became-a-nazi-idol

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Here's an example of them attempting to attribute Hitler quotes to her. (As if she'd be babbling about the League of Nations 80 years after its dissolution.) 😂

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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
72. I like your term "white people music."
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:13 PM
Oct 2018

Not too far from "Chinese food for white people," which is what my ex-wife, who is Chinese, calls P F CHANG'S.


erpowers

(9,350 posts)
82. She Is Supporting Democrats
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:41 AM
Oct 2018

They are angry because she is supporting Democrats. They like Kanye West because he supports Republicans. The same people who are freaking out about Taylor Swift are the same people who freaked out in the past about LeBron James supporting Democrats. Republicans support anyone who supports Republican ideas and Republican politicians, but hate anyone who supports Democratic ideas and Democratic politicians. This has been going on for years. Republicans at FOX News and Republicans in general have praised foreigners who supported Republican ideas while opposing foreigners who support Democratic ideas. They have praised celebrities who support Republican ideas while opposing celebrities who support Democratic ideas. Laura Ingraham and FOX News hosts have told liberal celebrities to shut up and do their jobs while applauding conservative celebrities for speaking their minds.

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