The Clintons are going on a world tour (and damn do they look good!)

[TreeStarsForever]

Damn they look good for their worldwide tour!!

Let us remember what they brought our nation during the prosperous 1990s:

—Surplus
—22 million new jobs
—Family and Medical Leave Act
—7 million fewer Americans living in poverty
—4-balanced budgets due to the superb compromising ability of Bill Clinton
—Minimum wage up 20%
—Assault Weapons Ban
—Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
—Campaign Against Teen Pregnancy: all-time low abortion rates
—Office on Violence Against Women
—Violence Against Women Act
—Children’s Health Insurance Program: 8.9 million children insured
—Incomes rising at all income levels

Hold your heads high.

Many Americans still love both of you.

Forever "2-for-the-price-of-1"

[democratisphere]

1. Imagine what it would have been like with the Clintons back in the WH.

[Hoyt]

6. There'd be a lot of criticism, and many'd never know how great she is compared

to trump and his crime family.

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. They do look good!

[TreeStarsForever]

4. Both of them were made for the White House I swear...

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. Agree!

[Glorfindel]

3. I still love both of them! Always will. Only Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt

can be compared with President Bill and Secretary Hillary Clinton.

[TreeStarsForever]

7. History will be kind to the Clintons.

They successfully led us through our last truly great era of peace & prosperity.

[mcar]

5. Love this!

[Scurrilous]

8. K&R

[oberliner]

9. A lot of blue in that photo

Indicative of the blue wave to come?

[TreeStarsForever]

10. I love how strategic they always are.

Sure -- they have made mistakes along the way. You won't get everything right in 40+ years of politics. Hindsight is always 20/20.

But no other couple has accomplished what they have accomplished.

They almost reached the top for a 3rd time. And would have if it hadn't been for Russia and Comey derailing Hillary's campaign.

They are 3-time popular vote winners.

The Clintons are the PEOPLE'S choice!

Political animals that produce RESULTS for the American people.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

62. 💙

[aikoaiko]

11. You had me until you listed the Assault Weapons Ban.

Booo bans.

But otherwise, best wishes to the Clintons.

[zentrum]

12. This makes me nervous.

It kind of puts the #Me Too movement in an awkward position----doesn't it? The Dems never believed all those women and saw it as a right wing hit job. I sure don't want to see all that revived---but it will be.

Whatever all that was, back in the 90's---times have changed. I'm not sure this is the moment for the Clintons as a couple to be so visible. Hope I'm wrong.

[TreeStarsForever]

15. Doesn't change their experience or insight.

Everyone has pro's and con's.

The pro's of the Clintons far outweigh their con's.

[loyalsister]

43. What could have been

What loyalty to functional healthy white male patriarchy was supposed to be. Back to the days where everyone stayed quiet about exploitation and rape because men were gentlemen. Yay

[Tommy_Carcetti]

59. The rhetorical framing regarding the recent wave of sexual misconduct allegations is a bit off.

People raising allegations of sexual misconduct--including from public figures and high profile individuals--don't earn the automatic right to be "believed" simply for having raised them.

In this Twitter/Hashtag friendly world of ours, boiling things down to "#BelieveWomen" oversimplifies the very serious problem, as well intentioned as it might be.

Bottom line: people raising allegations of sexual misconduct have the right to be heard, and heard in a way that is done in good faith, without judgment or preconceived bias.

After sufficient facts come out, and only after sufficient facts come out, should people consider whether or not to believe any given accuser.

As for Bill Clinton himself, the only thing that was ever really sufficiently proven to the point of being believed was that he had a consensual affair with an intern on his staff who was of legal age and consent.

There are a couple of other names bandied about--Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick--who the Rights like to mention having alleged non-consensual sexual misconduct against Clinton and then demanding that we "believe" these women too, lest we be hypocrites.

It doesn't work that way. We don't have to believe these women.

All three have had two decades in the spotlight where they have claimed their story. That's more than enough time to judge whether or not these women are credible.

Juanita Broaddrick--the woman claiming Clinton sexually assaulted her back in 1978--is a partisan hack and a vile individual. If you don't believe me, check out her Twitter page. Her unsworn claim that she was raped by Clinton is directly contradicted by her own sworn claim that she never was. Unlike Christine Blasey Ford, none of the people she claims to have contemporaneously told of the assault have given sworn statements to that extent. She also has viciously attacked people like Dr. Ford and others alleging sexual misconduct against conservative figures even though you would think if she were honest she'd be more sympathetic to their plight. And she happily allowed herself to be used as a prop by Donald Trump in sitting next to her at a press conference just days after the "Grab em by the pussy" Access Hollywood tape came out.

Kathleen Willey's claims are no more believable but I will say unlike Broaddrick, I do feel sorry for her. I think she has some deep seated psychological issues. Unfortunately, if you read over her account of her alleged attack by Clinton, it simply makes no sense.

Of the three women, Paula Jones' claims are--on their surface--possibly the most plausible to be believed, but the fact that her claims became so politicized by the Arkansas Project and then the Starr investigation from the very get-go just has me doubting them in their entirety. I think it is potentially possible that there may have been some sort of consensual dalliance--as the American Spectator via pre-converted David Brock had initially reported before the story later shifted towards non-consensual advances by Clinton. But the well was tainted from the very get-go.

So, no, we shouldn't wring our hands and ask whether we need to "believe" these women. They've sold their story for years and the facts aren't there to buy any of it.

[IluvPitties]

82. Great post!

[yardwork]

112. Thank you. Very well done.

[AkFemDem]

13. Tone deaf

In the era of #MeToo.

No thanks.

[TreeStarsForever]

14. All women should be heard. The women who accused Bill Clinton were heard loudly and clearly.

Still -- there has been no convictions. Not even a trial.

Plus -- everything was investigated endlessly by the Republicans.

[AkFemDem]

24. Current demographics btw...

51% of men approve of the job Trump is doing, whereas only 31% of women do. Make no mistake about it, women are going to decide what happens in November. Do we really want Bill Clinton pushed forward as the face of the democratic party?

[Bfd]

29. Hillary has a face and a legacy of women's rights that should never ever be denied her.

The good global works of the Clinton Foundation on human rights for women & girls as well as Hillary's own legacy on her global calls for women's rights are human rights is written in the history books as brave & daring a public stand as one can get when addressing Nations that have been horrendous on women's rights.

She brought a taboo subject before the UN at a time when women were silenced.
If the male heirachy refused to hear Her words, the women did listen.
She has never stopped that forward mission.

She has well earned recognition for her lifelong dedication to raising the worth of women.

She takes her place among the greats, the long line of fighters for women's equality.

And rightfully so, she has well earned the honor of her legacy.

[zentrum]

46. But that's the point.

Hillary is one thing. But Bill is a real problem at this moment.

That's why the issue is about them appearing as a couple. She now can be painted, once again, as the woman who stood by her harassing man and did not demand accountability--- for herself, for all women.

He can't be a #Me Too ally. He simply can't be presented that way. I think it's a very confusing message to be sending to the very women voters we need in November.

[Bfd]

49. Omg. Never mind.

[Hortensis]

64. For MOST the point is spite, Zentrum. Sad to say, but real.

Don't forget, hostility and malice burn far more hot against Hillary than they ever did against Bill.

For that reason, those whose concerns are motivated by the only highest principles need to realize that most Hillary haters really cannot understand that and, seeing these posts, just assume they're being agreed with.

[zentrum]

114. Wasn't talking

.....about how we on DU should think about Bill and Hillary.

Was trying to address how those who are in the middle of the bell curve and not all that politically active will view the tour and the Party because of the accusations against Bill and because even Monica is bitter about him and the non-support of Democratic women, as per her recent article in Vanity Fair. Not saying she should feel that way--but that's how she's talking now.

But the conversation here has gotten really tangled and I think I should just bow out.

Hortensis is a cool name.

[Hortensis]

120. Me too. You may imagine you're spraying reason,

others take it as gasoline on their fire. And they enjoy their fires far too much to care for them to burn out, do they?

Btw, you might want to watch out for our other female leaders, as well. Trump was encouraging a crowd to call for imprisoning Pelosi or Feinstein, don't remember which. Doesn't matter, does it? To the third of the nation that's a mob, all Democratic women are evil Democratic bitches.

We give them NOTHING.

[ehrnst]

113. Right...women are easily "confused" by a woman who is "painted" by her husband's past...

[LanternWaste]

79. What leads you to allege the book tour is the same as "the face of the Democratic party?"

Book tours are standard, and are not part and parcel of an electoral campaign.

[R B Garr]

87. This is a tired distraction. Clinton was and still popular after that little impeachment

ditty and we all know that was supposedly about lying under oath, but we just had a Supreme Court Justice confirmed who lied under oath, so why do only demand purity of Democrats.

Everything about him in regards to that is old news, so why keep bringing it up when there is an accused sexual assaulter in the White House and no one bothers holding him accountable in any fashion compared to how Bill C was treated, and that was decades before "MeToo."

Women like Bill Clinton just fine. He remains a very popular ex-President, so why borrow trouble and keep up this false narrative.

[TreeStarsForever]

25. Bill Clinton's legacy has been tainted by his infidelities. He was investigated.

He paid a price.

Most men never pay a price.

Bill has. That's the difference.

[Bfd]

30. And working on behalf of Ken Starr was Roger Stone & Brett Kavanaugh.

Go figure.

[JI7]

28. AND it was investigated and fucking Ken Starr only proved Gennifer Flowers and Lewinsky

which were both consensual .

[zentrum]

44. The problem is that

.....as a collective, public stance, Democratic voters did not believe the women. The only cries for investigation and "justice" were coming from FOX and the RW----not us.

This is awkward in the extreme at this moment in Kavanaugh/Trump history.

It makes the anger over Kavanaugh appear to be purely partisan, instead of what it is----a demand for true recogniztion and justice.

[JHan]

56. I think you're reaching a bit...

Why isn't the take away that the allegations by Kavanaugh's accusers should have been treated by Republicans as seriously as they took the allegations against Bill Clinton? Do you not remember the Starr report and its conclusions?

When Bill Clinton was on tour for his book with James Patterson, was he the "face of the Democratic Party" ?

[JHan]

58. And where is the collective responsibility...

For the treatment of Monica?

It was columnists like Maureen Dowd ( and others) who wrote disgusting op-eds making fun of her.

Comedians made her the punch line of jokes. She was pilloried on SNL. She couldn't depend on the support of people calling themselves "friend" - Linda Tripp for example. And she was treated terribly by Starr and his investigators ( including Kavanaugh).

These things happened, not as a result of the affair itself, but the aftermath after the affair once it became known. And Monica herself has noted her affair with the President was wrong, and Clinton has paid a price.

Just in case you have forgotten the Starr Report and the context of the 90's maybe you should read this:

During the months leading up to Clinton’s impeachment in 1999, the Office of Independent Counsel deployed its full forensic authority to investigate every salacious claim or rumor about him. Included in that expansion of Starr’s probe were the cases of Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick.

Keen as Starr was to compile a thoroughly damning impeachment dossier against Clinton, both of those cases presented factual and legal problems that proved impossible for him to overcome. (Oddly, the New York Times noted this week that the Broaddrick and Willey cases were omitted from Starr’s impeachment referral, but neglects to reveal that he investigated them thoroughly.)

http://www.nationalmemo.com/reckoning-bill-clinton-dont-forget-starrs-70-million-probe

[Tommy_Carcetti]

60. Do Democratic voters need to "believe the women"?

Are we under an obligation to believe those women lest we be hypocrites?

Or are we under an obligation to consider all allegations of misconduct in good faith and without bias and then and only then determine if we believe the accuser?

[Drunken Irishman]

26. Yes. How dare Bill and Hillary Clinton exist. They should just not exist anymore.

[Bfd]

27. Tone deaf!??

Not at all.

[RandiFan1290]

47. We support Hillary and Bill

Welcome back to DU



1/10

[ffr]

17. My favorite opening to a SOTU address ever @8:00 minutes in

https://www.c-span.org/video/?154326-1/2000-state-union-address

This is why he's a rock star and he gets standing ovations. To those who lived through the 90's, Bill Clinton was THE MAN!

[TreeStarsForever]

18. To this day, no one can beat Bill in his prime!!

[Bfd]

19. 1996 AIDS Memorial Quilt & the enormous role Pres Bill & Hillary played in AIDS/HIV funding

Hillary Clinton Speaking about the AIds Memorial Quilt at the 2012 International Conference

"What staunch allies Bill and Hillary Clinton have been to the LGBT community, how hard they fought during their White House years (and today) for funding for HIV/AIDS.

Clinton was steadfast in fighting for money for finding a cure for this horrible disease and just like today, he had to battle a hostile Republican Congress to get funding for these programs.

Without Bill and Hillary Clinton’s leadership in the 1990’s, there are likely millions of people who would not be alive today.

Bill Clinton’s administration increased funding for AIDS programs by 358% for one department and 150% for another. They initiated a multitude a programs to provide drugs and housing and against discrimination. They did this despite a hostile Republican Congress."

Hillary Clinton has been a leader on LGBT issues in both the Senate and in the State Department.
Some folks seem to focus on marriage equality as if that was the only item on the LGBT agenda.
What about Hate Crimes? Hillary was there fighting to get LGBT included. What about ENDA? She was there fighting for this long overdue bill to prohibit LGBT discrimination in all federal employment and contracting.

“Gay Rights Are Human Rights.” Hillary Clinton

As Secretary of State, Clinton became the first in her position to robustly advocate for LGBT equality throughout the world, making a historic and forceful speech to the United Nations declaring that “gay rights are human rights.” In the Senate, she helped lead on bills to protect LGBT workers from employment discrimination, and had a strong record on key votes and legislation that mattered to LGBT Americans.”

Before President Clinton, no US President gave a damn about gay rights or the mounting death toll in the LGBT community from AIDS. This changed dramatically in 1992 upon the election of Bill Clinton.

Clinton set the tone for his presidency by inviting the N.A.M.E.S. Project to include sections of the AIDS Memorial Quilt in his 1993 inaugural parade.
In his two terms in office, Bill Clinton never wavered in wrangling money in his budgets for programs caring for the sick or to preserve vital research funding for effective treatments and to find a cure.

When the AIDS Memorial Quilt was displayed in the National Mall in 1992 it contained 40,000 panels and covered 24 football fields.


Here's the photo and story from that moment


 Keith Molter shares his story of being at the Quilt in Washington DC in 1996 when by chance he witnessed Bill and Hillary Clinton visit the Quilt seeking out a specific quilt made in honor of a longtime friend of hers. Keith recalls:

It was stone silent on the vast Washington Mall. No fanfare. No hoopla. They simply went and we had stumbled upon it.

Silence. Stillness. They got out of their motorcade hand in hand and walked through the Quilt.

It was THE first time it was ever acknowledged by anyone of any higher level in government.
They stood. They prayed. They looked at a few other panels. They wiped tears.
We were 100 feet away. As they turned to leave, the still silence was broken by a squelching sound, like an animal in deep pain. It was me screaming “Thank you!” through my sobs, my voice cracking. They both turned. He put his hand up in a still wave and nodded his head -his mouth doing that mouth/chin thing he does. They turned and left.

I was there. They were there – maybe too late for some that we lost. But they were there as soon as they could – once the country elected two people who actually cared.


johnsmithchicago.com

[TreeStarsForever]

23. Why isn't this information commonly known to the public and younger gays?

Ugh...

[Bfd]

38. Hillary's 2016 campaign was endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign

for the very reasons in my above post.
If not for the Clinton's the AIDS/HIV funding would have been a very long time coming.
Millions more would have died

It is just one more of the many reasons the MEDIA and Messaging refused to speak of the Clinton's legacy.

Media was only allowed to speak in the negative, because if the truth were told, opponant's legacys would pale in comparison to what the Clintons have accomplished.

There's the very reason why only negative propaganda was allowed to be spoken & flooded the messaging of 2016.

They had to be re-imaged as something completely opposite of 'Who They Really Were'.

We all watched it happen. Some believed the lie & those who knew the accomplishments of this couple, also knew they were being swiftboated.

We'd all seen that dirty game played before.

The Human Rights Campaign wholly endorsed Hillary & Bill Clinton because they began the fight against AIDS/HIV & embraced the LGBT Community when no other public servant would dare speak about the urgency of that human tragedy.

Media drove the message & the lgbt youth just believed what media told them.

They perhaps never knew.

[DURHAM D]

37. I was there.

It was a moment I will never forget.

Tipper and Al Gore also came later.

[Bfd]

40. Wow. You represented a moment in history that altered the direction of that human tragedy

Yes, VP Al & Tipper also arrived.

Did you see the Clintons that day?

The entire story of the AIDS Quilt is so sacred.

How it came to lie stretched across the Capitol grounds that day, and how it moved the nation & to finally be given recognition at a federal level.

What an experience it must have been for you ~

[DURHAM D]

54. Saw the Clintons but did not talk with them, too much security.

I did however have a conversation with Judith Light, an amazing woman.

Also spoke at length with Elizabeth Birch. She was with her partner Hillary Rosen.

[Bfd]

55. Wow. You spent moments of your life with the top eschelon of all that is good in humanity.

Why people chose the most corrupt & evil with stunning blindness, over the most open & provable good is unforgivable & beyond comprehension.

Judith Light, Elizabeth Birch, Hillary Rosen.
Now that is the pinnacle of what is good & just.

There's a reason why committed fighters for all that is good, as these three are, stand next to Bill & Hillary Clinton.

You stood with the heros of human good.

And now it is a pleasure to stand with you, DURHAM D

Thanks for your stories from the Oktoberfest
🍻

[sheshe2]

118. Thank you for this, Bfd.

[Bfd]

121. Your welcome

[Upthevibe]

20. They look wonderful...I heard they're going

on a speaking tour. I'd love to see them. Years ago, I saw him somewhere here in L.A. through some kind of speaker group that a friend of mine had tickets for and it was excellent. I also stood in line for Bill's book and shook his hand and I stood in line for Hillary's book and shook her hand. Once again, this was quite a long time ago. I'm thinking in the early 2000's.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. 2 for 1....what a great thing that was...yet we let

The other side take the narrative away. Yikes...been a long time ago. Guess we, as a party, will never change . Wonder why?

[TreeStarsForever]

33. Ever since Hillary burst onto the scene...

The Repubs have suspected she would one day run for President herself.

Their 25-year smear didn't work.

They still needed help from Russia and the FBI to prevent Hillary from becoming President.

And yet... Hillary still got 3 million more votes. Remarkable.

[BigmanPigman]

31. Hillary tried to give us health care in the 90s

and the old GOP men wouldn't let her since she didn't know what she was talking about...she was a woman so she should bake cookies and serve tea like real first ladies do so sweetly and stay out of politics.

[TreeStarsForever]

34. People forget Hillary's first national fight after Bill became President

was to provide us with universal healthcare.

Sad how soon people forget.

[BigmanPigman]

36. Americans have a political memory of a gnat.

Not only are most Americans ignorant politically but the believe whatever you tell them if you repeat it often enough. After Reagan died everyone was saying such wonderful things about him. My family couldn't believe how he was treated like he walked on water even by Dems.

[llmart]

66. I sure haven't forgotten.

I was working at a large corporate headquarters at the time, and the men at the top of that corporation pulled out all the stops, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a campaign to vilify Hillary for wanting to give everyone universal healthcare. At the time I was a compensation analyst for executives - all white men of course - and they pulled people off their regular tasks to fight the initiative tooth and nail. Made me sick.

I quit after one year and vowed I'd never work in a corporation again and I didn't. I chose public entities after that.

[lunamagica]

32. Those were the days...I miss the Clinton years so much.

It was nice not living in fear

[Gothmog]

35. The clintons will be near me on Dec 4

I may go to watch them

[TreeStarsForever]

39. I want to go as well.

Their first tour date is very soon after the midterms.

I'm going to love to hear what they have to say.

Sling it to Trump, Bill and Hill!!

[iluvtennis]

41. Another good pic - you can tell Hill and Bill respect each other. With respect there is love.

...there is no respect between the current occupants of the white house.

[TreeStarsForever]

42. God they look good!!

[brer cat]

45. K&R

[DFW]

48. They came here to Germany for Oktoberfest

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2018/10/08/bill-clinton-lederhosen-oktoberfest-hillary/1567317002/

[Bfd]

51. They are respected & loved in Germany, a country who well knows the threat of

Fascism.
They know what it did to their people & their history in the world.

Some Americans seem to not have learned much from that. And some wholly embrace it.

Then there are those who fought like hell to keep it contained, only to watch as it now sits in the highest court in the land.
Who didn't see it heading straight at us like a freight train?
Who ignorantly gave fascism an inch of movement at a time when we had 2 paths to follow?
Two choices, good or evil.

The petty selfish voter promoted & chose evil before keeping sacred all the good of our country.
They gave power to exactly what Germany warned of.


I saw the pics of Bill & Hillary in Germany. They were happy, beautiful, respected & believed.

The lederhosen was an added treat.
Oktoberfest in Germany must be an absolute blast!

[DFW]

53. Oktoberfest is very regional

My daughters usually go, but just for fun, as they are Rheinländer, not Bavarian by any means. This year, my younger daughter couldn't make it, with the twin burdens of her job and her new baby. The elder one lives in the USA, and doesn't come over if her sister can't join her. I hate beer, so I've never been, even though München is just an hour's flight from here. I sometimes have work there during Oktoberfest, and it's a royal pain in the ass, because you can never get a room in München during Oktoberfest unless you book it about two years in advance.

I'd love to run into the Clintons again, but on a tour like the one they're on, even if I did, they'd probably have all of three minutes to chat, so it would hardly have been worth the effort.

[DFW]

123. The Clintons and the Obamas are always welcome in Germany

They are always feted here as the heads of an America that Europe (especially Germany) looked up to and respected for its policies and goals--and as the political opposites of the detested regimes that both preceded and succeeded the Obama administration--regimes whose propaganda more resembled/resembles the worst period of modern German history--one of which Germans are reminded by almost weekly documentaries on German TV, and which always show how horrible those periods were for the German people as a whole.

[bdamomma]

50. they do look good.

grandparents too.

[TreeStarsForever]

117. Aging like fine wine!!!!

[livetohike]

52. I loved that purple gown (my favorite color). I remember how I felt on Inauguration night. We need

have some sanity brought back to the Presidency and our government.

[pangaia]

57. The USA is about to turn into a totalitarian police state and...

I dunna know.
I do not dislike or love the Clintons.
They were/are both very, very good at their chosen profession and have done an immense amount of good.

But, jeeze, maybe this is a time to stay here and help.

I live on SS, like $21,000/year plus a very modest IRA and I donated about $400 to a local congressional candidate and small amounts to a couple others. That is a LOT LOT LOT of $$$ on such a small income.........plus I am working for the local guy as I can. I ain't no hero just pissed off and scared.

Couldn't they help save our Democracy for a few more weeks? Imagine the great draw they would be...
They could pitch in $500,000 for Nate McMurray in the NY 27th. That just might be enough to win this deep red district... just for example, of course...

And don't jump on me... (God I can feel it coming already..)

I feel the same way about other very high profile people as well..... not just them.

[Bfd]

105. Stay here and help!!! That is all they have been doing.

Why would anyone have no idea of the enormous & generous work they have been doing for 2018 elections?

Unbelievable.
I actually am shocked by this accusation.

Wow.

[NastyRiffraff]

61. Beautiful pic in blue

So glad to see both of them looking well and happy.

[onetexan]

63. Loveeeeeeeeee ittttttttttt!!

We went to visit the Clinton library in Little Rock a couple years ago and had lunch at the restaurant inside. Fabulous.

[Mr.Bill]

65. Best arguement for no term limits. n/t

[lillypaddle]

67. Morning Joe Scumbag

can suck it. Sick & tired of hearing him and Mika putting down the Clintons.

[JHan]

70. ??????

[JHan]

73. There are new people, I am perplexed.

Where have you been? Are the Clintons running for something?

[JHan]

76. So there are new people, so again, what was your point?

[JHan]

84. Oh so you just hate them. Okay.

[JHan]

92. You're incapable of bringing a balanced view about them given your replies in this thread.

so yeah I'll go with hate or intense dislike.

I mean if you hate the idea of two private citizens doing their thing, you could have scrolled on by this thread but you didn't - but hey your choice.

[R B Garr]

75. What a tired and uninformed trope. Feel free to discuss any of the "issues"

Clinton handled as a 2-term President and ruminate on that instead of this backhanded not-so-subtle smear. Welcome.


—Surplus
—22 million new jobs
—Family and Medical Leave Act
—7 million fewer Americans living in poverty
—4-balanced budgets due to the superb compromising ability of Bill Clinton
—Minimum wage up 20%
—Assault Weapons Ban
—Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
—Campaign Against Teen Pregnancy: all-time low abortion rates
—Office on Violence Against Women
—Violence Against Women Act
—Children’s Health Insurance Program: 8.9 million children insured
—Incomes rising at all income levels

[JHan]

89. The GOP were in control of Congress.

look up line-item vetoes and Clinton and how he used them to kill the craziest shit Gingrich threw at him.

[JHan]

94. You tell me.

Let's go down Memory lane.

What brought about Newt Gingrich's "Revolution". What was the fight that brought it on, who were involved in whipping public sentiment against healthcare reform. Yeah you go ahead and make these arguments.

I can't wait.

[JHan]

96. Nah I want you to tell me what you think happened, contextualize 90's politics for me..

I'm all ears.

[JHan]

101. NAFTA was not a decisive factor in 1994, sorry.

Yes not getting congress on board with their plan - and why was that..... go on. Which lobbying groups were instrumental in congress not getting on board with their plan?

[JHan]

103. dude you are the one positing an anti-clinton position here.

I am not arguing what you arguing, what do you mean "my turn"? You are the one saying that the reason healthcare reform failed is because of the clintons alone.

you then raise tax increases for high income earners as a reason they lost 1994, you're arguing like a Republican!

[NurseJackie]

106. Ha! The troll has left the building.

[JHan]

107. LOL and I was just asking questions.

[NurseJackie]

108. ...

[R B Garr]

109. You were awesome! Great questions and they completely

dismantle his old and “new” foes. Anyone willing to smear the Clintons’ and Bill’s record in office at this nasty time has some obvious agenda going on...

[JHan]

111. The 90's were wild... because how is this real:

Socks hounded by paparazzi!

Bill had serious challenges, made mistakes - some of them he's owned, some not so much, some not to the satisfaction of his most persistent critics. I just wish the majority of these harsh critiques factored in what 90's politics were like, what was the effect of 2 strong Reagan terms ( which were still felt by 1992) what lessons did Democrats take away post Reagan. In some respects Dems were myopic, in others, their hands were tied to change much but their approach in other areas was correct. Clinton did have his successes.

In any case, How many years did Dems control Congress to enact the kind of changes many say they would have liked to see?. There's so much to factor in when assessing a Presidency. Instead, we get simplistic narratives, or the cherry-picking facts, and disinformation.. etc. Not as much attention paid to the players behind Gingrich's Revolution - an assortment of deranged Clinton critics and ideologues determined to take us back 70 years - and how they poisoned the well.

[R B Garr]

98. No, it hasn't been "washed away." Those are the facts of his tenure and they are not

"washed away." Seriously, this sounds like the recycled 2016 campaign of someone from Vermont. All of this was destructive and quite frankly, completely untrue and we don't need to nurture this kind of disinformation/distraction anymore.

Clinton was President going on 25 years ago now. SIGH. It was a completely different time. What about the way he beat the GOP at their own game of leaving a balanced budget and depriving them of their standard "tax and spend" liberal trope?? What about that surplus anyway?? Wouldn't that surplus have been great to hand off to Gore??

LOL, now trot out the impeachment -- as if lying under oath matters except if you are a Democratic President, a standard you seem more than willing to impose. We just saw a Supreme Court justice confirmed who lied under oath about substantial things, not a big huge gotcha only meant to embarrass Clinton.

Spare me the recycled distortions....

[Tommy_Carcetti]

77. Umm....they're not running for anything.

They do have considerable experience in politics, so I'm sure they have input in areas many don't.

[LanternWaste]

85. Absolutely irreverent.

Additionally, the bandwagon bumper-sticker of 'new blood' is wholly without meaning-- it's a sound bite, but holds nothing of substance.

Welcome back.

[R B Garr]

78. Awesome! This is great news. Both must be enjoying the spectacle of how

--Kavanaugh was exposed after all the years he spent chasing Bill C.

--Trump's are exposed as a crime family.

--Hillary has the last laugh after it turns out that her two male campaign opponents both got help from Russia to defeat her.

There is lots the Clintons still have to offer, and they must be feeling pretty vindicated. I'm glad to see them.

[TreeStarsForever]

116. History will say Bill was one of the best Presidents in American history

and that Hillary was robbed of the Presidency.

Both will be political icons and legends forever.

Trump will be viewed as a nightmare fluke that stole the Presidency, ruined our country, lost the popular vote, and was (hopefully) finally held responsible for a lifetime of corruption.

[Bonx]

104. They should have 'Pink Martini' as the tour band!

[mattiusr]

110. AWESOME!

What's important is to maintain a sense of humor and maintain your dignity, both of you, I wish you could run for President again!! We need sanity in the WH

[ismnotwasm]

115. K&R

[Cha]

119. Kick!!!

[elocs]

122. I voted for both of them but never loved either one.

It would have been nice though if the Left had been so gushing about Hillary Clinton in 2016 and perhaps she would be president now.