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I read an article yesterday that was called, 'How the Democrats Killed the Blue Wave'. I wont link to it, but it was written by a woman that works for The Independent Woman's Voice. One would think, "Oh wow, obviously this is written by a Democrat and things just arent looking good."
However, I did some looking (some may have already known but I sure didnt) and this is what I found.
The Independent Women's Voice describes itself as a "nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that supports women and families by providing women with fact-based evidence showing how conservative free market solutions advance prosperity, freedom, and greater choices." This election cycle, IWV has been suggesting that Clinton's policies are worse than Trump being accused of sexual misconduct and praising Trump's childcare plan.
What you have here is a group that claims to be nonpartisan and independent and focused on womens issues, issues of interest to moderate women that is, in fact, heavily political and spends millions of dollars to elect some pretty extreme Republicans," Arn Pearson, the group's general counsel, told NBC News.
I think the media has a responsibility to show who these people are that they are giving a voice to, and by show. I mean a paragraph or two who are paying their bills and who are actually promoting them. Not just a link to the authors name at the bottom of a page. Whether it's a panel of "experts" on a news segment, or an article linked by them.
Of course this would require honesty from the corporations that sign the checks.
VOX
(22,976 posts)We saw much of this ploy in 2016, and its a good guess that the perps of this disinformation have gotten better at practicing their subterfuge.
Dont be misled always read the fine print, and dig deeper for the truth.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Republicans suck at economic policy. It's been proven by every Republican administration going back half a century.
The economy BOOMED after the New Deal. Don't let anyone lie about Republican economics, Republican family values, Republican traditionalism. They are a lame, superstitious and conflicted party whose only significant talent is corruption and vote suppression. This has never been more true and Trump has helped to reveal the truth.
Do not fear the Republicans. Despise them and pity them.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)of characters and Republicans willing to jump on the Russian blueprint propaganda bandwagon.
Actually consider that encouraging, they do not have any other weapons and we see all the incoming, and now it just seems laughable.
I think voters are far more wary now also.
Putin offed his chief architect of cyber warfare for not coming up with anything more but the same old stuff?
Fired really means fired in Russia.
Wounded Bear
(58,660 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Posters commenting on political articles who were clearly Democrats/progressives, were somehow attracting dismissive responses calling them Russians, Ivan, Boris, etc.
So, either some snotty Republican domestic trolls have adopted this tactic to muddy the waters completely, or actual Russian trolls are doing it.
Either way, the effect is the same. Its a typical Republican/right-wing dirty trick. These people couldnt play fair and above board if their lives depended on it.
All the more reason for Democrats to bear down and move forward.
DFW
(54,387 posts)When I see them, I usually post a quick, snarky reply in Russian, and see if I get any response. If it's a right wing American, I usually a snarky response back. If it's someone who sees a reply in their native language, I get no reply at all.
By the way, if any other Russian speakers want to join in the fun, the WaPo comments site will reject a comment if it starts out in Russian, so make your first word(s) in English and then switch over.
VOX
(22,976 posts)I wade into it whenever I just want to mix it up anonymously.
When I comment in Russian, I always start with English, but I was unaware that reversing the formula wont fly.
Thanks for the tip!
DFW
(54,387 posts)They are let through if the software recognizes the initial symbols, and then it probably doesn't reject anything subsequent to them.
Turbineguy
(37,332 posts)of non-existent women to come forward with allegations against Kavanaugh that are easily disproved and attributed to Democrats.
Ratfucking is the specialty of maison Gop.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)If we win the House, there will be wave after wave after wave of false accusations against Democrats, including female Democrats, it will be non-stop, trust me on this!
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)There will be a flurry of 'woe is me' literature out there; the doom and gloom squads are already out there circulating despair and angst. Check and double-check everything so you know the source and the veracity of the conclusions. And always Keep Your Eyes on the Prize:
A massive, indisputable win on November 6th.
We can do this. Because we must.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)"A concern troll visits sites of an opposing ideology and offers advice on how they could "improve" things, either in their tactical use of rhetoric, site rules, or with more philosophical consistency. The "improvements" are almost exclusively intended to be less effective."
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll
ConstanceCee
(314 posts)This is a very good reminder to check who wrote things. The Blue Wave is still coming.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Nitram
(22,802 posts)dalton99a
(81,512 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Merely titling something Democrat should never be assumed to mean written BY a democrat.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)about the mid-terms.
Nobody really knows--as with the last Presidential election--and there are any number of factions who want to suppress turnout.
Just go vote.
JHan
(10,173 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Good sleuthing!
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,748 posts)Who have been around at least since the Clinton impeachment days, probably longer. They are an anti-feminist group of women who masquerade as a pro women. Just another right wing propaganda organization
[link:http://iwf.org|
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)They're about as independent as a robot--and programmed as such to rattle off far right talking points on command!!
elmac
(4,642 posts)than in 2016. GOP money and backing is helping putin do the job of destroying what little democracy we have left.
Roadside Attraction
(238 posts). . . but . . . these rightwing muthaufkahs will stop at nothing. They pose as non-partisan groups, just like the one you point out.
They generate lies that they pass around word-of-mouth, Facebook, Twitter, and blogs, then, they cite their own Facebook, blogs, etc. as the source.
I live in rural Virginia. After the 2016 election, my county and the surrounding six counties all formed Indivisible groups. We are registering voters; writing letters to editors of our local papers (in fact, we all but control the letters pages now); holding meetings open to the public that are recruiting new members; registering voters; and, threatening the incumbent Republican.
A couple of months ago, KKK recruitment flyers showed up in two of our local communities.
Now, the local Tea Party groups and one of the County Republican Committees is spreading the claim that it was Indivisible spreading the KKK flyers as a false flag operation. We have confronted these assholes about this but all they do is laugh and say, "We know you would deny it."
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,491 posts)Repugs have used, abused and adulterated our common dialog until one doesn't know what to believe these days.
Back in the late 90s/early aughts here in KY, they ran a woman for Congress and used the typical Repug lies and deception in the campaign, probably supported by McConnell's lie machine. One of the most devious tactics of her campaign was soliciting contributions to her creation called something like "Grandmothers for Freedom" (off the cuff, LOL), knowing full well she would work hard to marginalize Social Security and Medicare.
Republicans have absolutely no shame or regrets of their corrupt actions, ever......
Thanks for the good post, Separation!.......
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)The propaganda is going to be full blast for the next 3 weeks.
Wounded Bear
(58,660 posts)Thanks for the heads up!
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Grasswire2
(13,570 posts)Independent Womens Forum was funded originally by Richard Mellon Scaife.
Some women who were groomed and deployed: Laura Ingraham. Kellyanne Conway. Ann Coulter. Barbara Cochran. Barbara Olsen.
They were deployed first to take down Bill Clinton. They have been a scourge on America.
All part of the Federalist Society - Scaife bunch.
KNOWN SINCE THE LATE '80s.
Separation
(1,975 posts)But I sure do now.
Cha
(297,248 posts)brush
(53,778 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Cha
(297,248 posts)Thank You.. there's Gaslighting RF out there Everywhere determined to bring down the Democratic Party that is fighting hard to get our Democracy BACK
ancianita
(36,058 posts)independent voices.
hostalover
(447 posts)ooky
(8,923 posts)non-stop coverage of how the democrats have lost their "energy" advantage bullshit and just watch some regular TV for a while until they find a different hyper talking point to lock onto.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)As 538 points out, it depends on what you are looking at, when you try to determine who came ahead after the Kavanaugh confirmation. Or which side is more enthused at this point, or whether the Democratic Party has lost enthusiasm among its voters lately.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The source doesn't necessarily mean it's true or false, but you can tell the slant or cherry picking of information, if you know the source.
I try to stick with known news organizations and neutral entities (like 538.com) for facts & info & reporting.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)I've seen several pieces claiming women, minorities, and young people are leaving the Democratic party and boycotting the elections or supporting Trump/GOP. There are some claiming liberals should give up, not vote, not donate, not canvas or anything else for Dem candidates. Of course there is disappointment with our party leadership and candidates. They're trying to turn a mole hill into a mountain to divide us and benefit the GOP.
DUers should be wary of falling for it and shouldn't share it.
Separation
(1,975 posts)AFTER EDIT: I still dont know why anytime I embed something from twitter it looks all weird here.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You and others like you that suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome remind me of Baghdad Bob, as Abram Tanks were rolling through the city behind him. This is laughable, you citing opinion articles from other victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome, prove nothing.</p> MjG (@hmh461) <a href="
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