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Looks like the youth is sitting out the midterms.... (Original Post) Takket Oct 2018 OP
I would hope they realize it's their future we're fighting for. Arkansas Granny Oct 2018 #1
As usual, they can't be bothered. Still In Wisconsin Oct 2018 #2
Many of us are bothered. Way more than just "bothered" too. JHan Oct 2018 #16
Good. Take friends and family with you. Appreciated! LBM20 Oct 2018 #20
Worse. They don't care. joshcryer Oct 2018 #39
Many of them go to school, do low paying jobs, and consume media. joshcryer Oct 2018 #45
So, Didn't.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #3
That's awful, but is it better than in the past? OrlandoDem2 Oct 2018 #4
We need to ask for their help. Many don't respond to selfish motives or judgmental disapproval. gulliver Oct 2018 #5
I think you're right renate Oct 2018 #25
I like your approach. And I say that as someone in the older demographic. badhair77 Oct 2018 #30
+1 violetpastille Oct 2018 #44
Why is Anne Rand a Paul Ryan in this tweeter name? pwb Oct 2018 #6
She is mocking them Ruby the Liberal Oct 2018 #12
They need to be "inspired" to vote? muntrv Oct 2018 #7
...So a Cookie or a Participation Trophy Stallion Oct 2018 #9
Rhetoric like this is what really turns millennials away n/t SubjectTrip Oct 2018 #43
No way that will work of course. But "asking" them would. gulliver Oct 2018 #10
Please. Enough of the LAME excuses. They need to get off their devices and go vote. LBM20 Oct 2018 #21
Our generation has little standing to be casting judgment. gulliver Oct 2018 #31
Does individual responsbility even exist anymore? I am sick to death of the excuses. LBM20 Oct 2018 #40
We can use their devices to get them to vote MountCleaners Oct 2018 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #8
Schools have mock elections, etc. But don't blame schools. These kids need to GET OFF THEIR ASSES! LBM20 Oct 2018 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #49
Of course manor321 Oct 2018 #11
Same percentage that voted last time the Dems took over Loki Liesmith Oct 2018 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author John Fante Oct 2018 #14
Remember, roughly half are naturally conservative Hortensis Oct 2018 #15
Sorry but I'm sick and tired of the MEGA-LAME excuses. They need to get off their asses and VOTE. LBM20 Oct 2018 #19
Sure, they should vote, and if I could push a button that Hortensis Oct 2018 #38
Our oldest granddaughter just turned 18. She registered to vote and she will. She's a lefty and Cousin Dupree Oct 2018 #17
Good for her! LBM20 Oct 2018 #23
Plenty of time for XBox and Instagram but can't go vote. PATHETIC! LBM20 Oct 2018 #18
Turns out the opiate of the masses isn't religion but an XBox. grantcart Oct 2018 #34
My son just turned 18, and he will be voting! budkin Oct 2018 #24
They have the most to lose. Turbineguy Oct 2018 #26
But aren't there a lot more of them thegoose Oct 2018 #27
This poll is less than useless Snake Plissken Oct 2018 #28
Tufts estimates that the last off year election 18-29 turnout was 19% grantcart Oct 2018 #33
My premise is this poll is less than useless Snake Plissken Oct 2018 #54
So if the 26% figure number holds, that's a 30% improvement over 2014. John Fante Oct 2018 #55
Well it only appears significant because the base number is so small grantcart Oct 2018 #57
True, but it's enough of an increase in our favor to comfortably take the house. John Fante Oct 2018 #58
The most significant impact on turn out appears to be mail in voting grantcart Oct 2018 #59
What is their criteria for "certain"? RandySF Oct 2018 #29
I think what is disturbing is the lack of voter turn out in this country. We have to change that. YOHABLO Oct 2018 #32
How does Gallup contact 18-29 yo's? NightWatcher Oct 2018 #35
There's been a voter registration surge peggysue2 Oct 2018 #36
We need more commercials with old people (like me-ish :) saying, "Cancel me out!" dawg day Oct 2018 #37
Maybe their parents should kick them out of the house to wake them up nini Oct 2018 #41
My youngest daughter isn't big on politics. grantcart Oct 2018 #42
It's their funeral. alarimer Oct 2018 #46
Anecdotes and adjustments mean nothing Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #47
Looks like turnout's gone down for all ages. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #48
Reach out now. We'll know next month whether it worked. struggle4progress Oct 2018 #50
I don't want to make excuses for them because this is a very dangerous time in our democracy meadowlark5 Oct 2018 #51
My 26 year old is voting kimbutgar Oct 2018 #52
It's always been this way, no? Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #53
This youth (me) is voting; I'm making sure my friends are registered to vote; and I'm encouraging... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #56
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
2. As usual, they can't be bothered.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:45 PM
Oct 2018

Voting gets in the way of things like mid-week keggers, looking beautiful, and keeping current with social media.

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
39. Worse. They don't care.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:19 PM
Oct 2018

They legitimately don't give two cents. Go play some games and hop on Discord and talk to them. It's terrifying the views they hold and their values.

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
45. Many of them go to school, do low paying jobs, and consume media.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:24 PM
Oct 2018

Be it laying on the couch watching YouTube, posting on Instagram, or talking on Discord and playing games.

The idea of the party going frat kid is a myth. They're largely locked in to social media and digital media consumption. It's their "out" in life.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
3. So, Didn't....
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

David Hogg go around the country and register them? And so now, they are registered (in some cases) but won't vote. Interesting...

So fair question: Was this a waste of money, time and resources?

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
5. We need to ask for their help. Many don't respond to selfish motives or judgmental disapproval.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:51 PM
Oct 2018

We need to "ask them to do something right that will help us." Give them something simple and positive that they can do to be helpful: vote. It's not that we shouldn't point out that they are screwing themselves over by letting Republicans run things. A lot of them don't care enough about themselves to respond to that. It's not that we shouldn't disapprove of them being apathetic, but a lot of them are used to disapproval and don't respond to that either.

renate

(13,776 posts)
25. I think you're right
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:55 PM
Oct 2018

They should be sufficiently motivated by what it means for their own futures, but if they aren't, I think many would respond to a respectful acknowledgement of how important they and their votes are for all of us, and for the planet.

They certainly wouldn't respond to disrespect and scorn for how "lazy" they are. A lot of them are just busy working two part-time jobs to cover the rent and figuring out their lives (it's not an easy time of life) and don't realize how important their single vote could end up being.

badhair77

(4,218 posts)
30. I like your approach. And I say that as someone in the older demographic.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:04 PM
Oct 2018

I know I would not respond well to shaming.

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
10. No way that will work of course. But "asking" them would.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:01 PM
Oct 2018

Inspiration can be hard to find these days apparently. A lot of people have a hard time finding it (although we are all soaking in it). One of the biggest sources of inspiration is the opportunity to do good for someone else. We keep asking youth to do good things for themselves or "for the planet." We should be asking them to do good things for us.

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
31. Our generation has little standing to be casting judgment.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:05 PM
Oct 2018

In the past, I felt the same way you do, disappointed by the youth vote and critical of them. There definitely is reason to be frustrated and disappointed by them. But I do believe they will respond to encouragement and a chance to succeed at doing the right thing to help others.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
60. We can use their devices to get them to vote
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:46 PM
Oct 2018

We need celebrities or young people's media to put the message in front of them. The message needs to be on whatever places they spend their time on - Instagram or wherever.

Response to Takket (Original post)

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
22. Schools have mock elections, etc. But don't blame schools. These kids need to GET OFF THEIR ASSES!
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:50 PM
Oct 2018

Response to LBM20 (Reply #22)

Response to Takket (Original post)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Remember, roughly half are naturally conservative
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:10 PM
Oct 2018

from the start. Larger numbers of those sitting out the election would be a good sign.

For the rest who should be marching and voting with us, most have grown up confused and demoralized by all the trash talking about Democrats. Oceans of right-wing Kool-Aid swamping them from the right has always been splashed right back, often in the same words, by hostiles from the left, like the Michael Moores and others wired to dissent who've been telling everyone for decades we're just as corrupt, crooked and uncaring.

So, many in that group have no idea there are good guys. It will take some a very long time to learn there are, and some never will.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
19. Sorry but I'm sick and tired of the MEGA-LAME excuses. They need to get off their asses and VOTE.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:46 PM
Oct 2018

They sit and bitch and whine and moan about the world and how it treats them so badly and their high tuition and high debt and all the rest and then can't pry their faces off their electronic devices long enough to go vote. It is BULLSHIT!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Sure, they should vote, and if I could push a button that
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:17 PM
Oct 2018

would kick the asses of the able-bodied among the 4 out of 5 of them who didn't vote in 2016 around the block until they were dropping and desperate for it to stop, and desperate that it never happen again, I would push the button.

I'd push it for all of us, including them, but notably for all those people who've been persecuted by those who promised evil and for the many more to come if evil is not stopped.

But let's not pretend 100% of the reason they didn't is laziness. They're not too lazy to do many other things all day/week/year long.

Cousin Dupree

(1,866 posts)
17. Our oldest granddaughter just turned 18. She registered to vote and she will. She's a lefty and
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:37 PM
Oct 2018

we are proud of her. She went to her first march with Grandma and Grandpa this summer

 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
27. But aren't there a lot more of them
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:58 PM
Oct 2018

Than the adult diaper brigade? So it'd still be more in total?

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
28. This poll is less than useless
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:00 PM
Oct 2018

Notice how the number increases proportionally with age.

If you polled 1,000 18-29 to ask them if they are voting ... oh wait a minute, I forgot ...

that chances of anyone finding 1,000 people between the ages of 18-29 willing to answer a phone call from a phone number they do not recognize is exactly 0% ... nevermind.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
33. Tufts estimates that the last off year election 18-29 turnout was 19%
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:08 PM
Oct 2018

Your premise doesn't support your conclusion

They didn't call 1000 18-29 year olds and talked with x number, they called x number and talked with 1000.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
54. My premise is this poll is less than useless
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:42 PM
Oct 2018

it's only a guess, sure it could be a close estimate based on past history, but it is not even close being being scientific

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
55. So if the 26% figure number holds, that's a 30% improvement over 2014.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:47 PM
Oct 2018

That is a sizeable difference, and it favors the Democrats.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
57. Well it only appears significant because the base number is so small
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:55 PM
Oct 2018

In other words a 30% increase on 19% is less than 15% increase on 60%.

It is a very low number.

Most effective counter measure IMO is mail in ballots.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
58. True, but it's enough of an increase in our favor to comfortably take the house.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:35 PM
Oct 2018

An increase in percentage for younger voters = a decrease in older voters.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
59. The most significant impact on turn out appears to be mail in voting
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:40 PM
Oct 2018

It radically increases likelihood of turnout in all ages.


That's why I volunteer for mail in vote canvassing the most.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
32. I think what is disturbing is the lack of voter turn out in this country. We have to change that.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:06 PM
Oct 2018

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
36. There's been a voter registration surge
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:12 PM
Oct 2018

in this age group across the country. We all remember Parkland. These kids have been working their tails off. So when I see a poll like this? I seriously question its veracity, just another way to depress the vote by declaring:

Oh noes! All is lost.

Expect more doom and gloom polls and articles to sweep through the landscape. And remember, the opposition doesn't care about the truth. Only the results.

Heidi Heitcamp, for instance, was said to be 12 points down. The internals show her 4 points off. This is going to be a slug fest the closer we get. We need to keep the pressure on.

Eyes on the Prize!

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
37. We need more commercials with old people (like me-ish :) saying, "Cancel me out!"
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:16 PM
Oct 2018

They need to realize that those of us closest to death are voting, and the ones who have to live with that the longest need to vote too.

nini

(16,672 posts)
41. Maybe their parents should kick them out of the house to wake them up
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:20 PM
Oct 2018

I am over ANYONE who can't be bothered.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
42. My youngest daughter isn't big on politics.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:20 PM
Oct 2018

This year I tried a new tactic.

I told her that I would tell her mother some rumor and she would call her every 5 minutes with worry and she would then be forced to explain (in Thai) that everything is OK.

First it was waves of rats invading apartment buildings around the hurricane (she lives in South Carolina).

Then it was rabid bats attacking pets in her neighborhood.

She finally gave up on the Simese twin gator in the stream behind their house and registered.

Thais are susceptible to these outlandish rumors and my wife loses track of time differences.

Not only is she registered she got the mail in ballot option, which actually made her quite happy.

I think that if young people got the mail in ballot they would vote in much higher numbers.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
47. Anecdotes and adjustments mean nothing
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oct 2018

Young voters don't vote and young single women in particular don't show up in midterms.

Big picture truth always wins

However, registering new college-aged voters needs to remain our top priority because that block is heavily pro-blue right now and eventually they will be a dominant force.

The mistake is pretending it will make a major difference in 2018.

The midterms will still be flooded with Silent Generation voters born 1928-1945. That block is the most heavily Republican of all. We gain among senior citizen voters every two years as that generation faces mortality and is replaced by younger seniors who lean Democratic.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
48. Looks like turnout's gone down for all ages.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oct 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_vote_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Voting_Trends_by_Race_and_Age.jpg



My parents weren't voters, but in 5th grade my social studies teacher pounded it into our heads that government impacts every aspect of your life & she told us when we were old enough we had to vote. "It's your duty." Maybe this is why they don't want to teach social studies & civics anymore.

As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing. Karl Rove

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
51. I don't want to make excuses for them because this is a very dangerous time in our democracy
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:35 PM
Oct 2018

But, really, think back to when you were 18-20rys old. I surprisingly can. I was graduating from high school, I was trying to figure out how to go to and pay for college or should I get married to my hog farmer boyfriend. Then I was working two jobs, part time school, moving to a new town and apartment, making friends and enjoying my step into adulthood.

I don't know if politics were as pivotal or volatile then as they are now. But, I didn't think about it. I was blissfully unaware. I voted several times but not every election. Especially as I moved from state to states.

Shaming them, belittling them and reducing them down to stupid, mindless partying derelicts is no way to get them to engage and vote.

And they tend to have requirements for the candidates they support. Not a whole lot different than the purity tests adults have.

Turin_C3PO

(13,996 posts)
53. It's always been this way, no?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:42 PM
Oct 2018

I think young people have, historically, never voted in large numbers. This isn’t new. I wish it weren’t so but I don’t know what to do to change it. Blaming Xbox and keggers might feel good but certainly isn’t productive. If anything, it’s off putting to younger voters to hear people scolding them about their free time habits.

In It to Win It

(8,252 posts)
56. This youth (me) is voting; I'm making sure my friends are registered to vote; and I'm encouraging...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:50 PM
Oct 2018

them to vote BECAUSE TRUMP IS A FUCKING IDIOT!

"Covfefe"
"They want to raid medicare to pay for socialism"

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