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realmirage

(2,117 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:33 PM Oct 2018

What the fuck is all this depression? You do realize we're doing really well right?

I’m surprised at the warped perspectives of many people here. You do realize all of this was expected after election night two years ago, and yet it’s been a nightmare for the GOP right?

And that in the very few elections that have occurred since then, democrats have done really well? And after this confirmation we’re probably going to do even better?

People here keep saying trump is winning... winning what? He hasn’t competed at anything. His poll numbers are abysmal as are Kavanaughs. Last time this happened with Clarence Thomas there was a huge blue wave. At this point reality points to the GOP losing big time. Cruz is on the ropes in Texas, women are furious... have you seen the polling on how the GOP is losing a shitload of support from women?

How would we know who is winning if there hasn’t been a fucking election yet?

Kavanaughs confirmation was a given 2 years ago. What’s the big meltdown over something we knew was coming 2 years ago? And we even got a strange gift- they confirmed someone who has pissed off women even more! He had the lowest number of votes in history and a female republican senator voted against him! Does that sound like winning when normally they are EASILY confirmed with bipartisan support?

And Trump is being investigated for 500 million in taxes he never paid? And Mueller is still out there? You need more proof that republicans should be scared shitless? You think some of these old ass conservatives on the court are going to live another 20 years? And who will be president when they die off? Not a republican. Not after all this.

Tell me who the fuck is winning again? On election night we’ll see who the fuck is winning. Until then have some god damned dignity and keep your head on straight.

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What the fuck is all this depression? You do realize we're doing really well right? (Original Post) realmirage Oct 2018 OP
Thank you, realmirage MaryMagdaline Oct 2018 #1
The Senate is slipping away manor321 Oct 2018 #2
And when was it ever in play? realmirage Oct 2018 #4
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #104
STOP!! It was ALWAYS likely they would retain the Senate by a few seats. END THIS DEFEATIST SHIT!! LBM20 Oct 2018 #6
At what point do you become too apathetic Cirque du So-What Oct 2018 #7
Everybody talking about stop this defeatist crap is just cleaning up their butter knives. lancelyons Oct 2018 #13
Congrats you missed the whole point of the thread realmirage Oct 2018 #21
And what is REAL is winning tons of elections at all levels next month. End the defeatist SHIT! LBM20 Oct 2018 #26
No it's not, it was never in play this go around uponit7771 Oct 2018 #11
Fuck that! In It to Win It Oct 2018 #17
Possible but not very likely. VERY tough because we have SO many more seats to defend. BUT we CAN LBM20 Oct 2018 #29
"...many more seats to defend." Tell me about it! In It to Win It Oct 2018 #40
huh? Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #20
Again I argue for the creation of a new 'Election Time Gloom and Doom' subgroup! Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #32
no its not...I voted in my first election in 1968..(voting age was 21 then) INdemo Oct 2018 #85
There's more than one way to defur a feline Amishman Oct 2018 #96
Of the three Senate classes this is the worst for us grantcart Oct 2018 #103
Not a republican. Not after all this. CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #3
And when have we had a president like this asshole? realmirage Oct 2018 #8
You the type of person that likes to lay down and die at the slightest discomfort? CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #98
we need to dust ourselves off bdamomma Oct 2018 #5
Yes. This. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #18
Few are buying the Doom and Gloom postings and comments many are suddenly posting around election Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #36
I'm not concerned, either. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #48
Yep. orangecrush Oct 2018 #93
I like your optimism but sadly you are blind lancelyons Oct 2018 #9
Keep this defeatist shit out of here realmirage Oct 2018 #14
Stop requesting censorship. you have your opinion I have mine. lancelyons Oct 2018 #30
That Line Is Not As Clever As You Seem To Think ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #97
Can't keep it out, but can be useful to point out the negativity being carried for Republicans. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #38
Hee-Haw returns Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #24
Facts.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #51
What pisses me off is how they humiliated, disrespected and broadbrushed the FBI investigation. Initech Oct 2018 #10
Don't you see this is a gift for democrats? realmirage Oct 2018 #15
I hope it energizes people more than ever to GOTV. Initech Oct 2018 #31
Give us a day or so to process Bettie Oct 2018 #12
You do realize there are 9 judges? realmirage Oct 2018 #16
Yep, I do and five of them Bettie Oct 2018 #28
And how is anything different today realmirage Oct 2018 #35
I personally believe Roberts will Not agree the President is immune from criminal prosecution for Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #39
I wish I believed that Bettie Oct 2018 #43
Just remember that there will be another Democratic President at some point. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #49
Yeah, give me until tomorrow morning and Bettie Oct 2018 #52
Whatver it takes. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #54
You sell doom and gloom well. John Fante Oct 2018 #53
I've been alive and watching Bettie Oct 2018 #56
She's not SELLING anything. Demit Oct 2018 #60
Lets be serious... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #34
Win the US HOUSE to shut down Trump. Win STATE seats to take over STATE courts. LBM20 Oct 2018 #47
Clarence Thomas is 70. And he certainly won't retire during a Democratic presidency. Demit Oct 2018 #58
But he is overweight! Heart attack could happen! Lucky Luciano Oct 2018 #64
I hear you, but we may measure in days the end of the Mueller Investigation. libdem4life Oct 2018 #19
You do realize he's up for election in two years realmirage Oct 2018 #25
SCOTUS decisions are not temporary and are unaffected by elections. libdem4life Oct 2018 #42
We can't cry in our soup for the next 20 years. We need to VOTE and take over STATE courts? LBM20 Oct 2018 #46
I'm a realist...not "crying in my soup" libdem4life Oct 2018 #61
Thanks for the rah-rah, realmirage. Hugin Oct 2018 #22
Exactly my friend realmirage Oct 2018 #27
Thanks for this msdogi Oct 2018 #23
What's this lying around shit? Loki Liesmith Oct 2018 #33
We're depressed because Republicans are usually well-rewarded for lying and swift boating. StevieM Oct 2018 #37
Don't like it? Then GO VOTE and take friends with you. Bemoaning solves NOTHING. LBM20 Oct 2018 #44
Telling people to go vote who are already going to vote doesn't solve anything either. Demit Oct 2018 #71
There can be no real democracy under a capitalistic system elmac Oct 2018 #74
We can take back Congress in a month Ruby the Liberal Oct 2018 #41
So go win elections next month and then we can take over the STATE courts. LBM20 Oct 2018 #45
None of what you said is going to happen. John Fante Oct 2018 #57
Bookmarked Ruby the Liberal Oct 2018 #69
Depression is from living in REALITY. "We're doing really well" is living in BamaRefugee Oct 2018 #50
They got what they wanted RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #55
And Had No Problem... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #59
Not depressed, more realistic. Freethinker65 Oct 2018 #62
I agree things are looking up Buckeyeblue Oct 2018 #63
The reality is we were doing really well a couple weeks ago. Still In Wisconsin Oct 2018 #65
This isn't the reality. The Dems are still on track to easily take the house. John Fante Oct 2018 #68
Not trying to be argumentative here (really) but... Still In Wisconsin Oct 2018 #72
Basing this on one or two polls, huh? John Fante Oct 2018 #75
Two most recent polls are great for the MAGAs. Still In Wisconsin Oct 2018 #77
Your concern is noted. John Fante Oct 2018 #78
Your dismissiveness is also noted. Still In Wisconsin Oct 2018 #79
My god your defeatism is terrible. realmirage Oct 2018 #102
I posted this before LostinRed Oct 2018 #66
Thank you thank thank you Chicagogrl1 Oct 2018 #67
well, to be frank, the fascists have the media, the money, the power all on their side elmac Oct 2018 #70
Yep... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #73
Thanks for this real. :) K&R JHan Oct 2018 #76
Send your money! Mosshead Oct 2018 #80
The GOP had the votes to confirm anyone to the open seat Gothmog Oct 2018 #81
I presume you are well-intentioned. malthaussen Oct 2018 #82
Predicted? I'm just pointing out reality realmirage Oct 2018 #100
You must not understand how a lifetime appointment can impact the laws. Read about it. Jesus. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #83
Read the original post again. realmirage Oct 2018 #101
Preach It! peggysue2 Oct 2018 #84
Maybe i'm being a little defeatist Calista241 Oct 2018 #86
No depression here at casa Politicub Politicub Oct 2018 #87
Thanks! BadgerMom Oct 2018 #88
No shenmue Oct 2018 #89
Yes, don't worry, be happy. elocs Oct 2018 #90
Thank you. You make many good points. Ohioboy Oct 2018 #91
The country is coming apart at the seams. But you say not to worry? YOHABLO Oct 2018 #92
A gift from heaven mattiusr Oct 2018 #94
I may be defeatist, but you're delusional. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #95
Your paranoia needs a reality check realmirage Oct 2018 #99
It's not paranoia. The damage done to the judiciary will be with us for decades. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #106
Even if we take back congress nini Oct 2018 #105
2 years of being assaulted with Trump's face and words on tv everyday is depressing. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #107
 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
2. The Senate is slipping away
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:36 PM
Oct 2018

I don't know what universe you're living in. Look at the Texas and Tennessee polls. They're likely gone. Any hope of taking the Senate is very unlikely. That means two more years of court packing with extremist radicals (even if Trump gets impeached!).

They have the Supreme Court and the Senate. Things are going to get worse.

Response to realmirage (Reply #4)

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
6. STOP!! It was ALWAYS likely they would retain the Senate by a few seats. END THIS DEFEATIST SHIT!!
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:40 PM
Oct 2018
 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
13. Everybody talking about stop this defeatist crap is just cleaning up their butter knives.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:44 PM
Oct 2018

Everybody talking about stop this defeatist crap is just cleaning up their butter knives.

You guys need to wake up. We have alot of work to do but its time you all accept what is real.

In It to Win It

(8,252 posts)
17. Fuck that!
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:46 PM
Oct 2018

They have a razor thin margin in the senate. It's a tough map for us. It's not likely but its possible. We have good candidates running in red state that are actually giving the GOP a run for their money. We can't get scared and discourage now.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
29. Possible but not very likely. VERY tough because we have SO many more seats to defend. BUT we CAN
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:50 PM
Oct 2018

take the HOUSE which is very likely and CAN win MANY state and local races all over the place.

In It to Win It

(8,252 posts)
40. "...many more seats to defend." Tell me about it!
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

Retaking the House is is the #1 goal. As far as the Senate goes, we just need to, at least, keep the current amount of seats that we have as that will make the next round (when it's in our favor) less of a hurdle.

I'm hoping my state flips and I've been keeping a watchful eye on the Georgia gubernatorial and Texas senate races.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,347 posts)
20. huh?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:47 PM
Oct 2018

The Senate is not ours. It cannot be "slipping away" from _us_. Instead, it is mathematically within our reach. This is a good thing. This wasn't even considered a reasonable hope, not too long ago.

It is possible that the "Senate is slipping away" from the Repugnant Party. All it takes is to keep helping to GOTV.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
85. no its not...I voted in my first election in 1968..(voting age was 21 then)
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:43 PM
Oct 2018

Losing those seats is what the Corporate media would have you believe.

and as long as I can remember Republicans will stage this fight because that is all they have got.
Its been like that going back to the 1960 Kennedy vs Nixon.
Think about it . Republicans have always had to run on negative ads and negative issues against the Democrats
Now the big negative is " the rejection of Kavanagh was a gift to the Republicans"? What? did you happen to see the voters in the streets in Washington rejecting the confirmation, the women rejecting the actions of the Senate?
We Democrats have the wind at our back and yes we can win back both houses.
We cannot do that by setting on the side lines ringing our hands with worry.We have to do more that just hope
We have to phone bank, we have to get those flyers out and we need to do whatever our local and Senate and House candidates would have us do.
We cannot wish taking the Congress back we have to work at it..just our vote is not enough..

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
96. There's more than one way to defur a feline
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 12:14 PM
Oct 2018

Win in NV and AZ
Lose only one seat (probably Heitkamp unfortunately)

50/50 Senate

Reach out to Murkowski, she can't be feeling very welcomed by her party right now. Convince her to change parties and be the most influential person in the Senate.

Likely? Maybe not. Possible? Absolutely, and I didn't have to mention Texas or Tennessee at all.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
103. Of the three Senate classes this is the worst for us
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:28 AM
Oct 2018

The classes for 2020 and 2022 lean our way big time.

If we get to 51 It will be considered a political miracle

CountAllVotes

(20,874 posts)
3. Not a republican. Not after all this.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:37 PM
Oct 2018

That is what was said after Katrina, never another Rapepublican, never.

That didn't exactly work out quite right did it?



 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
8. And when have we had a president like this asshole?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:41 PM
Oct 2018

This isn’t like other election cycles. And yes we’re going to have another republican President, but how long will that take? And who will be in control of Congress by then? You think we’d ever get Congress back if people weren’t pissed like they are now?

You the type of person that likes to lay down and die at the slightest discomfort?

CountAllVotes

(20,874 posts)
98. You the type of person that likes to lay down and die at the slightest discomfort?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:57 PM
Oct 2018

What kind of a question is this? Are you one of them yourself dare one suggest.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Bye.

bdamomma

(63,852 posts)
5. we need to dust ourselves off
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:38 PM
Oct 2018

and put the gloves on again, this is what exactly the repigs want us to do be down on ourselves.
We have the truth on our side.

But we are more energized than ever. Just dig deep in our souls, we can do this.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
18. Yes. This.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:47 PM
Oct 2018

The repugs are the ones feeding that defeatist narrative to us. I am appalled at how many are lapping it up like crazy. And, this shit happens every goddamn time

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
36. Few are buying the Doom and Gloom postings and comments many are suddenly posting around election
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

time...because if it helps the opposition then why post it at DU, as you say.

Not a concern for me, just more amusing because it is the same old same old as the last go around when unfortunately our guard was down.



GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
48. I'm not concerned, either.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:08 PM
Oct 2018

I am just tired of the "hair on fire" shit Some people ARE falling for it. I do take note of the ones who repeated post the gloom and doom stuff, though. I also notice that a lot of them joined DU within the past six months or so, too. Funny how that works, eh?

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
9. I like your optimism but sadly you are blind
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:42 PM
Oct 2018

If you havent noticed it doesnt make a difference what the right does... they get what they want or is sure appears that way.

Trump might be investigated for taxes but he will have the judges on his side and will get off the hook. We already had SC judges come out and steal one election for them.

Sure we have a ground swell of angry people that will GOTV for the midterms... but thats one election and not a broad plan or strategy to fix what is wrong.

We have gerrymandering so bad that its said, we have to perform 8-10 percentage points better than the GOP just to take back the house.

We have elections where most of the votes are on our side but we still lose ground on the elections.

We have states where the US Senate is stacked in the rights favor

We now have the SC stacked against us.

I just cant see how you say we are doing really well. I think you need to take off your blue colored glasses.


 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
30. Stop requesting censorship. you have your opinion I have mine.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:51 PM
Oct 2018

You can continue to polish your butter knife but I will not.

ProfessorGAC

(65,049 posts)
97. That Line Is Not As Clever As You Seem To Think
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 12:16 PM
Oct 2018

You can continue to use your pointless metaphor, but i will not.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,347 posts)
24. Hee-Haw returns
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:49 PM
Oct 2018

Gloom, despair, and agony on me.

Yep. I remember that song. It's not a good instruction manual for politics, however.

Initech

(100,078 posts)
10. What pisses me off is how they humiliated, disrespected and broadbrushed the FBI investigation.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:42 PM
Oct 2018

And how people like Lindsay Graham and Trump were telling us to go fuck ourselves. That's what I am mad at. The GOP basically gave us the finger and spit in our faces on this. They are a bunch of psychotic, spoiled children who whine at the top of their lungs when they don't get a shiny new play thing. And no doubt they'll use this against us in November.

Initech

(100,078 posts)
31. I hope it energizes people more than ever to GOTV.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:51 PM
Oct 2018

We can't have people like Susan Collins deciding the fate of the country. But really they need to be kicked in the ass for this hard.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
12. Give us a day or so to process
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:43 PM
Oct 2018

and we'll all be back up there.

This one is particularly hard because getting rid of Boof-boy is going to be nearly impossible and with him there, our social safety net is probably history.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
28. Yep, I do and five of them
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:50 PM
Oct 2018

are right-wing tools who will vote for anything that destroys our society.

The new kid gives them the majority for the foreseeable future.

The cases are already in the pipeline. Legislation from the bench in the most punitive way possible is coming.

I hope I'm wrong, but I really doubt it. Do you recall him declaring that he will wreak his vengeance from the bench?

Do you believe that any of the other right wingers will even raise their voice in favor of human people who aren't male, rich, and white?

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
35. And how is anything different today
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

from 2 years ago except that democrats are poised for a comeback? Reread the OP for your other points. And not all he conservatives on the court are crazy right wingers. They’re shit but they’re not all like you describe. And so what? This isn’t Armageddon for Christ’s sake

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
39. I personally believe Roberts will Not agree the President is immune from criminal prosecution for
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

treason or related crimes that may have affected the election.

They still need 5 votes for that.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
43. I wish I believed that
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:02 PM
Oct 2018

but these hearings showed us that right wingers are truly off the rails these days.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
49. Just remember that there will be another Democratic President at some point.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:13 PM
Oct 2018

Hopefully in 2020. I am sure that Roberts understands this, as well. Alito and even Thomas probably understand this, as well. Do you think they're willing to hand that kind of power over to a Democrat in order to protect Trump? Personally, I think they all secretly hate the guy, and don't want to protect him.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
52. Yeah, give me until tomorrow morning and
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:35 PM
Oct 2018

I'll be ready to fight again.

Right now, I'm just feeling like that little girl who no one would believe and who saw no way out.

So, I need a day, day and a half, then I'll be good to go again.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
56. I've been alive and watching
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:40 PM
Oct 2018

I've seen the direction things are moving.

Them owning the courts makes the position of regular human people difficult.

So, thanks for the personal attack, I appreciate it, after all, I have no right to an opinion or feeling down after this whole debacle, right?

In It to Win It

(8,252 posts)
34. Lets be serious...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:54 PM
Oct 2018

We were never going to get rid of him once he was confirmed. The goal was to prevent him from being confirmed. We were close but close doesn't count. He's there now. There is no getting rid of him.

Clarence Thomas won't last long. He's been there 26-27 years already. He will retire in the next few years (hopefully when we get a Democratic president sworn-in in 2021).

The court is not our only path to victory. We have to retake a legislature and pass our agenda.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
58. Clarence Thomas is 70. And he certainly won't retire during a Democratic presidency.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:42 PM
Oct 2018

I doubt he he's ready to retire in the next 2 years, for Trump. Life expectancy for a 70 year old male is 85. Barring any sudden illness, he's going to be around for a LONG time.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
19. I hear you, but we may measure in days the end of the Mueller Investigation.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:47 PM
Oct 2018

That and taking away state's inalienable rights to prosecute and sentence, now subject to federal pardon. DJT could pardon anyone at any time for any reason. Also, DJT can not be indicted now for sure. Those three are BFDs that could happen before any election. (I think that's how it works, anyway)

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
25. You do realize he's up for election in two years
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:49 PM
Oct 2018

and all this is temporary? After Pearl Harbor would you have thought America was fucked? Come on, you’re too mired in the moment

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
42. SCOTUS decisions are not temporary and are unaffected by elections.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

They affect an entire nation and culture. Roe v Wade was a long fought battle. It can be wiped out in one ruling. State's Rights...long a Republican /republic foundation, will be gone as to having sovereignty over their courts and laws, should the President choose to pardon.

Mired in the moment??????? I think not.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
61. I'm a realist...not "crying in my soup"
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

The other ruling that is coming up is to give DJT power to pardon state convictions, not just federal. These are SCOTUS rulings and not voted on by the people...it's what a king does. DJT will hold total power over every conviction to pardon as he sees fit. So the DA of, say, New York does not have final jurisdicition. State and federal used to be a separation of powers. They will be no longer, anymore than the SCOTUS is now a neutral body...it is political and the new Republican-stacked entity will do the bidding of DJT.

We have a King in waiting. The Devil's Bargain has been made. It started with Justice Kennedy making the deal to retire so DJT could name his successor. Kennedy's son Justin was a "Special" lender at Deutsch Bank loaning a great deal of money to DJT. Very special. The article goes on to show how many of Kennedy's law clerks got named to be judges. (Gorsuch, too) Coincidence?

As to Mueller, they may be able to shut that down before the 2018 elections. But it may not matter, because DJT can pardon anyone...including himself.

Let's not be Pollyanna or an ostrich either.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/us/politics/trump-anthony-kennedy-retirement.html

Hugin

(33,148 posts)
22. Thanks for the rah-rah, realmirage.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:48 PM
Oct 2018

Sometimes it's important to look back to see how far you've made it.

Tracks in the snow!

msdogi

(430 posts)
23. Thanks for this
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:49 PM
Oct 2018

good perspective, and you are right. We can be really pissed, but nothing should come as a surprise. Let's put all our focus on GOTV, support our Dems, both in office and running, and put aside the anger and vitriol.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
37. We're depressed because Republicans are usually well-rewarded for lying and swift boating.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:59 PM
Oct 2018

The bad guys win a whole lot in this country.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
74. There can be no real democracy under a capitalistic system
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:07 PM
Oct 2018

lying, cheating will always be rewarded as long as we are a country based on wealth, ruled by wealth.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
41. We can take back Congress in a month
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

but the Executive branch now owns SCOTUS and Kavadrunk wasn't even subtle about his ideology.

When they vote that the administration is exempt from subpoena (which could happen on the Ross question as soon as this week), that Trump can fire Mueller at will, and POTUS pardons extend to state charges (Gamble v US), we can revisit this.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
57. None of what you said is going to happen.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:41 PM
Oct 2018

No way will the SCOTUS ever give a president such unfettered power, especially when there's a strong chance a democrat will win in 2020.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
50. Depression is from living in REALITY. "We're doing really well" is living in
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:28 PM
Oct 2018

a PROJECTED reality that has yet to come to pass.
For example, Al Franken is GONE. That is the depressing reality, and we’re NOT “doing really well” without him.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
59. And Had No Problem...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:44 PM
Oct 2018

Effectively removing the 'Never Trumpers" from the Party to go "Full Board Trump". Laser Focus kinda.

We have to get the same LASER FOCUS and stop being all over the place. This is necessary and required, if Democracy has any hope of being saved.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
63. I agree things are looking up
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:47 PM
Oct 2018

The best way to nullify the SC is by making state elections a priority. The Governors and state legislators we have, the less likely we will have crazy state laws that we will need the SC for. Then we keep the challenges to the crazy shit down to a bare minimum.

Then the house is next. The House is attainable. The Senate may be a tough road. But the house...If we have the house, we have some leverage to introduce legislation that is important to everyday people. And we control whatever investigations we choose to undertake.

Then we are in a position in two years to go after the Senate and the president.

I get the court is fucked for a while. But if we have two of the branches of government, we can pass legislation to nullify some court decisions. The court typically defers to the legislature.

As far as Roe and Gay marriage go: Corporate America doesn't want either of these ruling overturned and given back to the states. It would put companies in the south at a disadvantage to attract new talent. Young workers aren't going to move to places that might pass draconian laws against gay people or reproductive rights.

But there is a lot on the table besides those two issues. Some things like consumer and some worker's rights are toast.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
65. The reality is we were doing really well a couple weeks ago.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:51 PM
Oct 2018

The current reality is that the Republicans and MAGAs have all the momentum a couple weeks out from an election. I respect and admire the optimism- hell, I wish I could share it. To me though, it's a little like being a fan of a football team that just lost a three-touchdown lead and is now tied or a little behind in the closing minute. We're NOT doing really well, we're in a neck-and-neck dogfight. The midterms are looking less like a blue wave and more like a push or modest Dem pickup at this point.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
68. This isn't the reality. The Dems are still on track to easily take the house.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:56 PM
Oct 2018

and hundreds of state seats. They're not tied or trailing at all.

Now, if you thought the senate was in the bag and we "blew it", THAT'S a fantasy. It was always a longshot.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
72. Not trying to be argumentative here (really) but...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:04 PM
Oct 2018

we're probably going to lose Senate seats in MO, ND, WV and could lose a seat here in WI. In the house, it's likely to be a MODEST Dem gain, but races are moving quickly in the Republican direction. Not all of them, but many. The MAGAs have awoken and are loving their red meat. There's going to have to be a whole lot more pain before things really change I think.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
77. Two most recent polls are great for the MAGAs.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:13 PM
Oct 2018

It is what it is. Timing of polls is important. If one comes out tomorrow or next week that shows movement in our direction that will be great. But right now, it ain't happening.

TRUMP just scored a touchdown and is dancing in the end zone. Saying it isn't so doesn't change facts.

LostinRed

(840 posts)
66. I posted this before
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:54 PM
Oct 2018

If Kavanaugh wasn’t confirmed Trumps based would get motivated and Trump would just put up another conaervative asshole. Kavanaugh is wildly unpopular and this is a stain on Trump and the court.

Chicagogrl1

(419 posts)
67. Thank you thank thank you
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:56 PM
Oct 2018

We needed this reminder. We may have lost the battle, but the war is coming. We all need to personally escort any millennials we know to vote. They are the key to our success!

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
70. well, to be frank, the fascists have the media, the money, the power all on their side
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:01 PM
Oct 2018

they control most of the states so have the power to keep people from voting. As for tRump, investigation and being brought to justice are two very different things and I don't believe he will be punished for his crimes while fascists are in control. he now has the supreme Nazi court to protect him. We must not forget putin who is working unchallenged for the GOP, Government Of Putin. If we take the House and Senate we may have a chance to stop the hemorrhaging long enough to get us to 2020, if our party plays it mean and dirty, no fucking high road crap, and hopefully give putins boy the boot.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
73. Yep...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:07 PM
Oct 2018

It's Called a Take No Prisoners Strategy and The Democrats Need To Start Strategizing It. ENOUGH TIME has been wasted on Knee Jerk Reactions, Movements of the Moment and Etc, Etc.

Politics is about Power. When will Democrats get Laser Focused on Taking Back The Power and Crushing the GOP into DUST?

Waiting....

Gothmog

(145,278 posts)
81. The GOP had the votes to confirm anyone to the open seat
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:22 PM
Oct 2018

This SCOTUS seat was lost when Kennedy announced his retirement. Democrats had no chance of blocking the GOP from confirming someone. trump got arrogant and nominated the one person with enough baggage to give the Democrats a chance. McConnell told trump not to nominate Kavanaugh and trump ignore Kavanaugh

I resigned myself to the loss of Roe v. Wade back in June when Kennedy retired. The GOP had the votes to confirm anyone. If the Democrats had blocked Kavanaugh, then trump could have nominated one of the 12 other Federalist society approved judges and that judge would have been confirmed.

I am glad that the Democrats fought back and I am proud of the job that the Democrats did. Kavanaugh was a stupid choice and his confirmation will hurt the GOP. Right now the GOP voters are angry but the election is amonth away and that anger will dissapate. Democratic anger has been building since Nov. 9, 2016 and is not going to disappate.

This mind blowing to me We had over sixty Demcoratic House candidates raise over $1 million this last quarter and 30 candidates raise more than $2 million https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/04/house-democrats-1-million-869472

Sixty House Democratic candidates broke the $1 million mark in fundraising from July through September, a whopping total fueling the party's campaign to retake the House in November.

Thirty of those candidates exceeded $2 million raised last quarter, while eight of them brought in more than $3 million over that period. Three of those $3 million candidates have already announced their third-quarter fundraising: Amy McGrath, a former fighter pilot who’s challenging Rep. Andy Barr (R-Ky.); Josh Harder, a venture capitalist challenging Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Calif.); and Andrew Janz, an attorney running against Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.).

These are unreal fund raising numbers. There is a great deal of energy and we need to use it.

Again, I am proud of the job that the Democrats did in fighting Kavanaugh. We need to take the energy and fight to take the House and hopefully the Senage

malthaussen

(17,199 posts)
82. I presume you are well-intentioned.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:29 PM
Oct 2018

How shall I put this: it's one thing to know in advance that your leg is going to be cut off, and another to experience it. I fully understand the "I predicted this" stance, and use it often, but it does show, in my experience, some lack of sensitivity for the ones losing the leg.

-- Mal

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
84. Preach It!
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:40 PM
Oct 2018

Because doom and gloom will result in exactly what the Republicans are hoping for: a depressed voter turnout. Which is good for them.

Time for the boo-hoos to be replaced with white-hot rage and an even steelier conviction that this cannot, will not stand.

If expectations are low, results will be low.

Don't allow the GOP to play this game once again where we end up doing their work for them and just stay home. This is a time to rally because our round in the continuing battle comes on November 6th when we have a chance to push these corrupt and compromised assholes into the sea.

If we want to turn this thing around, we need to take the House. If the Senate comes along for the ride, that's great. But the House is imperative.

Yes, we lost the Kavanaugh round, a stretch at best. Now we need to shake it off and make these suckers pay with a massive defeat, everywhere.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
86. Maybe i'm being a little defeatist
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:43 PM
Oct 2018

But Trump says on tape that you can grab women wherever, and that doesn't persuade white women to support Hillary.

But he gets Kavanaugh, whom nobody had ever heard of until July, on the Supreme Court, and THAT's supposed to be the tipping point for white women?

I want us to win as badly as anyone, but I don't think Kavanaugh is going to be the line drawn in the sand that everyone agrees on.

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
91. Thank you. You make many good points.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:59 PM
Oct 2018

Trump is in it up to his eyebrows with this tax stuff. His insanity is getting hard to hide, as even republicans are finding it hard to support his actions at his rallies where he mocks and divides. When republicans do get their way it's because they have cheated, lied, prevaricated, or rushed to get anything done. The only reason they got Kavanaugh is because they rammed him through and didn't do any proper investigating. They had to use the full might of their majority, and even then they barely made it.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
92. The country is coming apart at the seams. But you say not to worry?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:59 PM
Oct 2018

We've lost 3 Presidential Races and 2 SCOTUS seats by the criminal acts of a major party in the U.S. Oh but I'm so positive about Nov.

mattiusr

(4 posts)
94. A gift from heaven
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:12 PM
Oct 2018

It would be awesome if Mueller would release his findings just before the Midterms, are you listening MM?

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
95. I may be defeatist, but you're delusional.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 11:59 AM
Oct 2018

We are not doing well. Our electoral process is corrupt & compromised with money, dirty tricks, & black box voting. In spite of our wins, they are still in control of most of the government. The dems need massive turnout & margins to win some districts. The GOP is this close to one party rule & they have shown they will stop at NOTHING to get it. You say Trump hasn't won anything, yet the damage he has done is staggering & he's not even half way through his term. McConnell bragged that he's making "generational changes" to the judiciary. When Kavanaugh votes to expand the scope of Trump's get-out-of-jail-free cards, how will we hold him accountable then? We are in as dire a situation as we've ever been in.

VOTE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT, BECAUSE IT DOES.


Then there's this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142174499

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
99. Your paranoia needs a reality check
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:22 AM
Oct 2018

How about we cross those bridges when they appear? If they appear? Until then we vote. After that, we deal with what is going on at that time. You sound a bit like a drowning person. Just breathe and take it one step at a time.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
106. It's not paranoia. The damage done to the judiciary will be with us for decades.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:11 PM
Oct 2018

Any legislation that's challenged will be taken up with these right wing stacked courts. That's already a fact, no matter who wins in November. And nowhere have I indicated that I'm not voting or that I'm taking this election lightly.

nini

(16,672 posts)
105. Even if we take back congress
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:41 AM
Oct 2018

it'll take decades to undo some of this shit.

I'm a few years from retirement. I have no idea if I'll be able to or not with all this insanity. I worry about my grandson. I worry about a lot of things.

That doesn't mean I've given up but I'm also realistic. The rest of my life will probably be a struggle because of these assholes. So pardon me if I'm a bit bummed out about it.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
107. 2 years of being assaulted with Trump's face and words on tv everyday is depressing.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:15 PM
Oct 2018

That doesn't mean we have stopped fighting. It just means that reality is fucking depressing.


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