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ProgRocknProgPol

(143 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:54 AM Oct 2018

I have a question for those here who were politically savvy through the Anita Hill hearings

From what I've read, these hearings led to a strong, concentrated effort by women to improve their representation in Congress, directly leading to their success in doing so during Year of the Woman: 1992. What was the national perception (particularly among independents and others not strongly affiliated with either Republicans or Democrats) of Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas, and the hearings in general? Do you think all of this helped Bill Clinton win in 1992? I especially would like to know how you feel these Kavanaugh wranglings compare to the Thomas hearings.

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I have a question for those here who were politically savvy through the Anita Hill hearings (Original Post) ProgRocknProgPol Oct 2018 OP
1992 was a weird election dawg day Oct 2018 #1
In many ways this is worse. yardwork Oct 2018 #2
The hearings were depressingly similar, though with a few significant differences JHB Oct 2018 #3

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
1. 1992 was a weird election
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:06 AM
Oct 2018

Three-way. Ross Perot syphoned off a lot of GOP votes that would have gone to Bush. Bush was really stifled by Perot (another Texas millionaire), who was brash and didn't care what anyone thought and wasn't beholdened to the GOP establishment.
I think Clinton kind of snuck in. He had his own "woman problem", so I don't know that too many women were energized to vote for him.
But I think probably some women who might have voted for Bush decided not to because of his support of Clarence Thomas.

And many women decided to run for office in order to have more representation. Diane Feinstein did.

It's just hard to be sitting here 26 years later and realize that if anything, we've gone backwards. The GOPers on the committee didn't treat Ford with contempt and hatred (just contempt and disregard), and unlike in 1992, the Democrats were pretty full-throated against the nominee.

But... but geez, some of the same old guys, and some new younger guys, did everything they could to let this angry thuggish elite attacker get the seat he felt entitled to. And they stifled any real investigation just like before, making it clear that this was "not important'.

And the man involved still fully denied everything, and got away with it.

It makes me feel sick.

yardwork

(61,634 posts)
2. In many ways this is worse.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:12 AM
Oct 2018

Both Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill are African American. The Senate was all white. All the senators were courteous and respectful in their demeanor because they didn't want to appear to be racist. Yes, they went after Professor Hill and were disrespectful in the questions they asked, but it wasn't like this. Nobody acted like Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell.

This is worse.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
3. The hearings were depressingly similar, though with a few significant differences
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:50 AM
Oct 2018

Both men had things in their past that should have disqualified them even before the sexual harassment/assault allegations arose: Thomas had problems with conflicts of interest -- including hearing a case where his political mentor's family stood to gain or lose about $10 million, and he found in their favor -- and Kavanaugh had the lies under oath about his actions as part of the Bush administration and during the investigations of Bill Clinton.

In both cases, the Republicans disregarded these faults because they could count on the men to be reliable conservative operatives on the court and they were young enough to be sot for decades.


In both cases, the discussion was squeezed down to just one woman appearing publicly. Other claims had been made, but those were smothered with one or another criticism. Neither Angela Wright nor Deborah Ramirez appeared on camera, and so, thanks to the realities of political coverage, the committee was free to act as if they didn't exist. The whole narrative was reduced to "he said/she said", which gave wavering committee members the cover to throw up their hands and go along with the nomination.

Important difference: In 1991 the Democratic committee members did not want the fight. They had to be dragged into it by a leak of Hill's claims.

For background, at the time of Thomas' nomination, conservatives were still in a full lather about Bork (not that they've ever stopped being in full lather, but in 1991 it still seemed fresh) and were also still angry about the fight over Souter's nomination (this is before Souter showed himself to be a jurist first and foremost, not a conservative operative as they'd hoped). Since this was replacing Thurgood Marshall, Bush picked a black jurist. There were other black conservatives he might have picked, but either they were old, had areas where they dissented from conservative pet policies, or both. The black community didn't really know Thomas, but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and wouldn't have taken kindly to a strong challenge that might prevent the seat being filled by a black jurist.

So initially, the Democratic senators faced yet another ragefest from the right, potential backlash from a portion of their base, and a nominee whose record was rather lackluster and who obfuscated when they tried to probe further. They knew about what Hill had to say, but that wasn't public. So initially they took the path of least resistance.

Two things changed that: One, of course, is Hill's allegations becoming public. The other is Thurgood Marshall's comment that "a black snake is still a snake". Almost simultaneously, the benefit of the doubt Thomas had been given among blacks nosedived while the senators faced pissing off another Democratic constituency, women fighting workplace sexual harassment. That caused the reopening of the hearings, but see above for the he-said/she-said framing and the cover it gave for wafflers to roll over.


This time: While there were still a few areas of acquiescence (specifically, IMO, letting his lies under oath fall off the radar), there were women on the committee (on the Democratic side, at least), and who had experience as prosecutors on sexual assault cases.

They were still able to ram him through on a sheer power-grab, but there wasn't the "we didn't want a fight in the first place" aspect that colored the 1991 process.

And sure as hell it contributed to Bill Clinton winning in 1992.

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