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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:13 AM Oct 2018

Trump is winning. He takes no prisoners as he goes forward.

We must accept that fact. The democratic party must adapt to Trump's war tactics. With Trump nice guys come in last.
When we compromise with Trump and his Republican allies we lose.
We must remove every Republican politician from office we can. There is no other way to protect our country and democracy.

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Trump is winning. He takes no prisoners as he goes forward. (Original Post) UCmeNdc Oct 2018 OP
New York State says he's in deep trouble as soon as he leaves office. That's not winning. lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #1
Bullshit. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #2
Not two thirds....50% hate him, 40% love him or his policies, 10% clueless/don't care. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #3
His base is only the usual 30-33% who are die-hard right-wingers. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #6
No, that is the problem. Democratic voters always fall for the "fake" UCmeNdc Oct 2018 #7
Again, bullshit. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #9
Again, I call your lack of concern Bullshit. UCmeNdc Oct 2018 #13
Hey, knock yourself out with the note-taking. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #21
+ eleventy Separation Oct 2018 #32
Some of their spokeswomen show up on Bonnie Erbe's show on PBS. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #40
I think it's a dishonest service Separation Oct 2018 #42
Way to go! If everyone dug through the fine print... VOX Oct 2018 #41
Working to WIN ELECTIONS NEXT MONTH! Please help. Can't do much if NOT IN POWER!!! LBM20 Oct 2018 #22
Shamelessness is now a superpower in Putin's Amerikka. blm Oct 2018 #4
Cool Story, Bro ! stonecutter357 Oct 2018 #5
Whatever it takes. tavernier Oct 2018 #8
I agree. When Senate President Chuck Schumer is setting the agenda. Blue_true Oct 2018 #10
I agree that Democrats need to adapt to the Trump tactics... kentuck Oct 2018 #11
Here is my reality Kilgore Oct 2018 #12
Wow, that's amazing... Merlot Oct 2018 #14
These are good questions to ask... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #16
I think it's BS nt maryellen99 Oct 2018 #17
Wonderful! Name your town ChubbyStar Oct 2018 #15
LOL tenderfoot Oct 2018 #18
I was hoping for a link to this wonderful story ChubbyStar Oct 2018 #20
Oh look, exact same post in two threads: Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #24
Where is that? Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #23
Alternative Facts, USA. John Fante Oct 2018 #30
Which region is this? Where do you get your economic statistics? DBoon Oct 2018 #26
... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #27
Are you sure you didn't take a wrong turn somewhere? MustLoveBeagles Oct 2018 #29
Is "your reality" really real? Because it reads like a Trump-rally story. VOX Oct 2018 #39
sure, sure...and the Nazis had several years of "winning" in WW2 anarch Oct 2018 #19
he's given 35% of the country 100% of what they want Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #25
America is 100% white now? John Fante Oct 2018 #31
who said that? I said Trump has given "35% of the country, 100% of what they want" Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #33
The 35% want a 100% white America. John Fante Oct 2018 #36
I think they were ok with 1950s demographics. mostly white and blacks stepping off the sidewalk Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #38
The GOP has surrendered completely, or submitted. dawg day Oct 2018 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #34
Now This Is A Really Good Question.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #43
No. Mueller could not have finished his investigation months ago. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #46
tiptoeing into conspiracu theory ......... rampartc Oct 2018 #47
TRUMP is winning bigtime. Still In Wisconsin Oct 2018 #35
You mean bigly. LisaL Oct 2018 #37
45 is casting the ILLUSION that he's winning. VOX Oct 2018 #44
How Can There Be An Illusion... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #45

lindysalsagal

(20,687 posts)
1. New York State says he's in deep trouble as soon as he leaves office. That's not winning.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:17 AM
Oct 2018

And, hold your resignations untl we see who turns out in november. This should be a huge push-back. The dems have seen a chance and are already setting strategy for 2019. When the price of gas reaches $4, more votes will shift.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
2. Bullshit.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:21 AM
Oct 2018

He isn't "winning." He "won" a couple of things this week, But 2/3 of the country still hates his guts and wants to see him gone. It's all puffery and bluffing. And, I am not sure to what you are referring to regarding "compromise."

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
6. His base is only the usual 30-33% who are die-hard right-wingers.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:43 AM
Oct 2018

The other 7-10% of his support is squishy soft, and they'll probably abandon him at the drop of a red hat.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
7. No, that is the problem. Democratic voters always fall for the "fake"
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:45 AM
Oct 2018

The reality is Trump is marching on. What are we Democratic voters actually doing with our politicians to organize and stop Trump and the GOP?

Which leaders do we have controlling the media?

What is the over message coming from the Democratic Party designed to cut down Trump’s influence?

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
21. Hey, knock yourself out with the note-taking.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:04 PM
Oct 2018

While you are at it, make a note that I don't wring my hands and gnash my teeth every time the media tries to convince us that the Mushroom Dick is "winning" after he has one a rare "victory." I prefer to sit back and watch it all explode in his face like a prank cigar, as it always does. And, no. The Democrats don't "always fall for" the media bullshit. Only some of you do.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
32. + eleventy
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:51 PM
Oct 2018

I read an article yesterday that was called, 'How the Democrats Killed the Blue Wave'. I wont link to it, but it was written by a woman that works for The Independent Woman's Voice. One would think, "Oh wow, obviously this is written by a Democrat and things just arent looking good."

However, I did some looking (some may have already known but I sure didnt) and this is what I found.

The Independent Women's Voice describes itself as a "nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that supports women and families by providing women with fact-based evidence showing how conservative free market solutions advance prosperity, freedom, and greater choices." This election cycle, IWV has been suggesting that Clinton's policies are worse than Trump being accused of sexual misconduct and praising Trump's childcare plan.

What you have here is a group that claims to be nonpartisan and independent and focused on women’s issues, issues of interest to moderate women that is, in fact, heavily political and spends millions of dollars to elect some pretty extreme Republicans," Arn Pearson, the group's general counsel, told NBC News.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
40. Some of their spokeswomen show up on Bonnie Erbe's show on PBS.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:16 PM
Oct 2018

They're always right-wing types who try to pass themselves off as Independents. Always.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
42. I think it's a dishonest service
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:21 PM
Oct 2018

I think at the beginning and ending of these segment, that the reports point out who these groups are, i.e. who gives them money and supports them.

Of course, the media is not playing fair. The reporters are beholden to the corporation that signs their check.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
41. Way to go! If everyone dug through the fine print...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:18 PM
Oct 2018

We’d be in far better shape.

Your post is worth an OP in itself. Please consider it.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. I agree. When Senate President Chuck Schumer is setting the agenda.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:27 AM
Oct 2018

He had better not go back to the 60 vote rule that Mitch McConnell ripped apart. When republicans come after us, we can't be passive and call out rules of etiquette, they don't give a shit about such rules, all they want is getting their way, by whatever means necessary.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
11. I agree that Democrats need to adapt to the Trump tactics...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:30 AM
Oct 2018

But the question is how best to adapt. Do you get down in the same mud? Or do you offer a more positive, American view of the issues? Do you seek to unite or to divide. That is the contrast we need to make, in my opinion.

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
12. Here is my reality
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:34 AM
Oct 2018

Our region depends on manufacturing, all union jobs. Our town was seriously hurting with unemployment, stores closed, and empty houses after two large employers shut down and the third downsized to one shift.

What used to be a democratic stronghold almost completely turned to Trump on the hope of jobs. Today there is full employment, stores have reopened, and neighborhoods are back to normal.

How do you get these people to turn from Trump? They look at him as a savior.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
14. Wow, that's amazing...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:46 AM
Oct 2018

In the less than two years that trumpft has been president, your region went from stores closed and homes abandoned to "full employment" and everything else back to normal.

What employers came to the region if the manufactureing and union jobs no longer exist? Who was able to purchase an abandonded home and rehab it so it was liviable? How were the storefronts that were closed able to open so quickly if for so long there weren't any customers with purchasing power?

Did the home values drop so much that peole can now purchase or rent them using salary from subway and target?

In It to Win It

(8,252 posts)
16. These are good questions to ask...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:53 AM
Oct 2018

If you are able to actually engage in a conversation with them, see where their mindset is, and see if they are open to new information. If the road of economic rebound actually leads back to Trump, there's nothing to say to them. If not, that is your opening.

Also, consider the make up of the state and local government. Are there state and local government actions to led to this upswing?

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
20. I was hoping for a link to this wonderful story
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:00 PM
Oct 2018

Such a fabulous rebirth of a dying town would have been the story of the decade...but I haven't heard a peep. I wonder why?

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
26. Which region is this? Where do you get your economic statistics?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:24 PM
Oct 2018

absent any background information, I am very skeptical

VOX

(22,976 posts)
39. Is "your reality" really real? Because it reads like a Trump-rally story.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:14 PM
Oct 2018

-Hard-core Democrats decide to vote for Trump en masse.
-In one year, 9+ months, a veritable ghost town, dead as dead can be, hopeless, forlorn, abandoned...*BOOM* Trump’s in charge, and everything is miraculously transformed into a thriving, joyous paradise, with jobs for all, and good old “normal” smiles are again seen on the faces of the happy, newly-minted Republican folks.
-Trump is now a god.

Seriously? Can you document this in any way? Because bureaucracies (multiple systems, in this case) don’t turn on a dime like that, Trump or no Trump.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
19. sure, sure...and the Nazis had several years of "winning" in WW2
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:56 AM
Oct 2018

Until they didn't, because they had to be defeated.

We will overcome...given where we are now, maybe/probably not in my lifetime, but that doesn't mean I stop fighting.

Demovictory9

(32,456 posts)
38. I think they were ok with 1950s demographics. mostly white and blacks stepping off the sidewalk
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:01 PM
Oct 2018

to let them pass, cleaning after them, cooking, driving them about.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
28. The GOP has surrendered completely, or submitted.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:34 PM
Oct 2018

They're all Trumpists now-- determined to do their WORST because that's what thrills him.

So while they could have nominated any one of 11 other "approved" conservative judges, they went specifically for the most objectionable... BECAUSE he was the most objectionable. (I think McConnell knew in the summer that there were allegations against Kavanaugh-- the cover up seems to have started then-- and that's why Mitch was trying to steer Trump away... but then of course he went all in, because Trump's destructiveness gives Mitch more power.)

They're all going too far-- calling their Democratic colleagues enemies, going along with the conspiracy theories, screaming like Lindsey Graham about hate.

They even know they're going too far. But Mitch and Grassley and all of them think they're going to be able to corral all this hate and use it for power. But you can't take this back. Once you enrage your base in order to hate everyone else, you won't be able to pacify them enough to even have power. They won't compromise, they just want to hate, and they're not going to go back to even a rigged game of politics.

We've seen it before.

I don't know what's going to happen. Even the Democrats winning, even Trump leaving-- that won't halt the horde.

Response to UCmeNdc (Original post)

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
43. Now This Is A Really Good Question....
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:27 PM
Oct 2018
"Robert Mueller is Republican. Trump is winning, are the headlines here. There have been no consequence to any of the things he’s done, or any of the horrible things being done by all republicans. We gasp and there is nothing done. So is mueller just a front man, the media the mouthpiece?"


Welcome to DU. Seriously! Welcome Indeed...

Mueller could have finished his "investigation" months ago. Way before Kennedy retired and anyone outside of DC Circles hear of the name Brett Kavanaugh. Equally, Rosenstein (also a Republican) could have DEMANDED the Investigation be completed BEFORE the Mid-Terms as he is Robert Mueller's Boss.

Democrats need to WAKE UP. We are being played. The GOP SADLY are now pulling the purse strings all around.

So, here is the question: WHEN ARE WE WILLING TO DO WHAT IS TAKES (all of it) TO TAKE BACK THE POWER? When will we stop chasing knee jerk reactions to this and that and develop a SOUND LONG-TERM STRATEGY to TAKE BACK THE POWER and CRUSH ALL THINGS GOP?

Wake us up when this happens. Until then....yes, Drump is winning and that is beyond what we can take.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
46. No. Mueller could not have finished his investigation months ago.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:44 PM
Oct 2018

Only someone with little understanding of how deep Trump's and the GOP's corruption is, fails to realize that it will likely take years to get to the bottom of it all. And, if Mueller was playing us, why did he turn over mountains of evidence to the DEMOCRATIC New York State Attorney General for her to likely prosecute Trump and his associates?

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
47. tiptoeing into conspiracu theory .........
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:56 PM
Oct 2018

but mueller was very involved in the investigations of 911 and the anthrax mailings.
maube he really wants to nail trump, i don't know, but maybe picking off a few underlings is the best we can hope for.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
35. TRUMP is winning bigtime.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:59 PM
Oct 2018

He doesn't play by any rules; he accepts no constraints on his brutal, bullying tactics. TRUMP and Republicans almost always win because they are a "win at ANY cost" operation.

When you're willing to literally let people die to ensure your own victory, you're going to come out ahead of any group that plays within even a rudimentary ethical framework.

That's just the way it works. Love wins in the ethical and human realm, but hate wins on the political battlefield of modern society.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
44. 45 is casting the ILLUSION that he's winning.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:27 PM
Oct 2018

And the compliant media that gets rating$ out of horse races are all too happy to pass that bullshit along.

The trick is to destroy the illusion. Remember, it’s a cult that follows him, and believes he can do no wrong; they will be the toughest nuts to crack, but the message must be repeated: Trump is NOT winning, he is killing America and democracy.

Is Trump a symptom, and not the disease? I have a different angle: Trump is a metastatic expression of the disease, as capable of killing the host (America) as thoroughly as the original affliction (Republicanism).

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
45. How Can There Be An Illusion...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:33 PM
Oct 2018

When They Have All THREE BRANCHES of Government under their control, plus a Democratic Senator Joe Manchin who votes for their highly tainted SCOTUS nominee (now SCOTUS) and the people controlling the investigation about 45 are REPUBLICANS themselves (See; Mueller and Rosenstein).

These are the facts as of today.

The Question Remains WHAT ARE DEMOCRATS WILLING TO DO, TO TAKE BACK THE POWER....By ANY MEANS NECESSARY?

Wake us up, when this question can be answered, effectively.

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