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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump is winning. He takes no prisoners as he goes forward.
We must accept that fact. The democratic party must adapt to Trump's war tactics. With Trump nice guys come in last.
When we compromise with Trump and his Republican allies we lose.
We must remove every Republican politician from office we can. There is no other way to protect our country and democracy.
lindysalsagal
(20,687 posts)And, hold your resignations untl we see who turns out in november. This should be a huge push-back. The dems have seen a chance and are already setting strategy for 2019. When the price of gas reaches $4, more votes will shift.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)He isn't "winning." He "won" a couple of things this week, But 2/3 of the country still hates his guts and wants to see him gone. It's all puffery and bluffing. And, I am not sure to what you are referring to regarding "compromise."
Funtatlaguy
(10,877 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)The other 7-10% of his support is squishy soft, and they'll probably abandon him at the drop of a red hat.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)The reality is Trump is marching on. What are we Democratic voters actually doing with our politicians to organize and stop Trump and the GOP?
Which leaders do we have controlling the media?
What is the over message coming from the Democratic Party designed to cut down Trumps influence?
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)But, your concern is noted.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)But your lack of concern is duly noted also.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)While you are at it, make a note that I don't wring my hands and gnash my teeth every time the media tries to convince us that the Mushroom Dick is "winning" after he has one a rare "victory." I prefer to sit back and watch it all explode in his face like a prank cigar, as it always does. And, no. The Democrats don't "always fall for" the media bullshit. Only some of you do.
Separation
(1,975 posts)I read an article yesterday that was called, 'How the Democrats Killed the Blue Wave'. I wont link to it, but it was written by a woman that works for The Independent Woman's Voice. One would think, "Oh wow, obviously this is written by a Democrat and things just arent looking good."
However, I did some looking (some may have already known but I sure didnt) and this is what I found.
The Independent Women's Voice describes itself as a "nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that supports women and families by providing women with fact-based evidence showing how conservative free market solutions advance prosperity, freedom, and greater choices." This election cycle, IWV has been suggesting that Clinton's policies are worse than Trump being accused of sexual misconduct and praising Trump's childcare plan.
What you have here is a group that claims to be nonpartisan and independent and focused on womens issues, issues of interest to moderate women that is, in fact, heavily political and spends millions of dollars to elect some pretty extreme Republicans," Arn Pearson, the group's general counsel, told NBC News.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)They're always right-wing types who try to pass themselves off as Independents. Always.
Separation
(1,975 posts)I think at the beginning and ending of these segment, that the reports point out who these groups are, i.e. who gives them money and supports them.
Of course, the media is not playing fair. The reporters are beholden to the corporation that signs their check.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Wed be in far better shape.
Your post is worth an OP in itself. Please consider it.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)blm
(113,062 posts).
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)tavernier
(12,389 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He had better not go back to the 60 vote rule that Mitch McConnell ripped apart. When republicans come after us, we can't be passive and call out rules of etiquette, they don't give a shit about such rules, all they want is getting their way, by whatever means necessary.
kentuck
(111,098 posts)But the question is how best to adapt. Do you get down in the same mud? Or do you offer a more positive, American view of the issues? Do you seek to unite or to divide. That is the contrast we need to make, in my opinion.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Our region depends on manufacturing, all union jobs. Our town was seriously hurting with unemployment, stores closed, and empty houses after two large employers shut down and the third downsized to one shift.
What used to be a democratic stronghold almost completely turned to Trump on the hope of jobs. Today there is full employment, stores have reopened, and neighborhoods are back to normal.
How do you get these people to turn from Trump? They look at him as a savior.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)In the less than two years that trumpft has been president, your region went from stores closed and homes abandoned to "full employment" and everything else back to normal.
What employers came to the region if the manufactureing and union jobs no longer exist? Who was able to purchase an abandonded home and rehab it so it was liviable? How were the storefronts that were closed able to open so quickly if for so long there weren't any customers with purchasing power?
Did the home values drop so much that peole can now purchase or rent them using salary from subway and target?
In It to Win It
(8,252 posts)If you are able to actually engage in a conversation with them, see where their mindset is, and see if they are open to new information. If the road of economic rebound actually leads back to Trump, there's nothing to say to them. If not, that is your opening.
Also, consider the make up of the state and local government. Are there state and local government actions to led to this upswing?
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)You need to share this success story!
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Such a fabulous rebirth of a dying town would have been the story of the decade...but I haven't heard a peep. I wonder why?
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)DBoon
(22,366 posts)absent any background information, I am very skeptical
MustLoveBeagles
(11,611 posts)You seem to be lost.
VOX
(22,976 posts)-Hard-core Democrats decide to vote for Trump en masse.
-In one year, 9+ months, a veritable ghost town, dead as dead can be, hopeless, forlorn, abandoned...*BOOM* Trumps in charge, and everything is miraculously transformed into a thriving, joyous paradise, with jobs for all, and good old normal smiles are again seen on the faces of the happy, newly-minted Republican folks.
-Trump is now a god.
Seriously? Can you document this in any way? Because bureaucracies (multiple systems, in this case) dont turn on a dime like that, Trump or no Trump.
anarch
(6,535 posts)Until they didn't, because they had to be defeated.
We will overcome...given where we are now, maybe/probably not in my lifetime, but that doesn't mean I stop fighting.
Demovictory9
(32,456 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)Demovictory9
(32,456 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)He hasn't given them that.
Demovictory9
(32,456 posts)to let them pass, cleaning after them, cooking, driving them about.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)They're all Trumpists now-- determined to do their WORST because that's what thrills him.
So while they could have nominated any one of 11 other "approved" conservative judges, they went specifically for the most objectionable... BECAUSE he was the most objectionable. (I think McConnell knew in the summer that there were allegations against Kavanaugh-- the cover up seems to have started then-- and that's why Mitch was trying to steer Trump away... but then of course he went all in, because Trump's destructiveness gives Mitch more power.)
They're all going too far-- calling their Democratic colleagues enemies, going along with the conspiracy theories, screaming like Lindsey Graham about hate.
They even know they're going too far. But Mitch and Grassley and all of them think they're going to be able to corral all this hate and use it for power. But you can't take this back. Once you enrage your base in order to hate everyone else, you won't be able to pacify them enough to even have power. They won't compromise, they just want to hate, and they're not going to go back to even a rigged game of politics.
We've seen it before.
I don't know what's going to happen. Even the Democrats winning, even Trump leaving-- that won't halt the horde.
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Welcome to DU. Seriously! Welcome Indeed...
Mueller could have finished his "investigation" months ago. Way before Kennedy retired and anyone outside of DC Circles hear of the name Brett Kavanaugh. Equally, Rosenstein (also a Republican) could have DEMANDED the Investigation be completed BEFORE the Mid-Terms as he is Robert Mueller's Boss.
Democrats need to WAKE UP. We are being played. The GOP SADLY are now pulling the purse strings all around.
So, here is the question: WHEN ARE WE WILLING TO DO WHAT IS TAKES (all of it) TO TAKE BACK THE POWER? When will we stop chasing knee jerk reactions to this and that and develop a SOUND LONG-TERM STRATEGY to TAKE BACK THE POWER and CRUSH ALL THINGS GOP?
Wake us up when this happens. Until then....yes, Drump is winning and that is beyond what we can take.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)Only someone with little understanding of how deep Trump's and the GOP's corruption is, fails to realize that it will likely take years to get to the bottom of it all. And, if Mueller was playing us, why did he turn over mountains of evidence to the DEMOCRATIC New York State Attorney General for her to likely prosecute Trump and his associates?
rampartc
(5,407 posts)but mueller was very involved in the investigations of 911 and the anthrax mailings.
maube he really wants to nail trump, i don't know, but maybe picking off a few underlings is the best we can hope for.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)He doesn't play by any rules; he accepts no constraints on his brutal, bullying tactics. TRUMP and Republicans almost always win because they are a "win at ANY cost" operation.
When you're willing to literally let people die to ensure your own victory, you're going to come out ahead of any group that plays within even a rudimentary ethical framework.
That's just the way it works. Love wins in the ethical and human realm, but hate wins on the political battlefield of modern society.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)And the compliant media that gets rating$ out of horse races are all too happy to pass that bullshit along.
The trick is to destroy the illusion. Remember, its a cult that follows him, and believes he can do no wrong; they will be the toughest nuts to crack, but the message must be repeated: Trump is NOT winning, he is killing America and democracy.
Is Trump a symptom, and not the disease? I have a different angle: Trump is a metastatic expression of the disease, as capable of killing the host (America) as thoroughly as the original affliction (Republicanism).
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)When They Have All THREE BRANCHES of Government under their control, plus a Democratic Senator Joe Manchin who votes for their highly tainted SCOTUS nominee (now SCOTUS) and the people controlling the investigation about 45 are REPUBLICANS themselves (See; Mueller and Rosenstein).
These are the facts as of today.
The Question Remains WHAT ARE DEMOCRATS WILLING TO DO, TO TAKE BACK THE POWER....By ANY MEANS NECESSARY?
Wake us up, when this question can be answered, effectively.