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Quixote1818

(28,943 posts)
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:05 PM Oct 2018

Newsweek: REPUBLICANS JUST LOST WOMEN FOR GOOD OPINION

When Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964, he reportedly told an aide that the Democratic Party had “lost the South for a generation.”

On September 27, in a daylong, nationally televised hearing on whether accused sexual abuser Brett Kavanaugh should be put on the Supreme Court of the United States, the Republicans lost the women. But a generation will look like a short sentence and a region like the South a small setback in comparison to 52 percent of the voters in every congressional district who watched in horror and are now prepared to turn the Republicans out of office over it.

At the insistence of the Republican leadership, there was no FBI investigation. Professor Christine Blasey Ford agreed to testify and answer questions. Once she started to talk it was clear she didn't need that lie detector—we know truth when we see it. Kavanaugh then sealed his own doom. His carefully-cultivated veneer of geniality was gone, replaced by a snarling, entitled bully whom we could easily picture doing precisely what Ford described, and bragging about it in the yearbook too.

Yet the all-white, all-male Republican Senators still did not seem to understand their mistake. Apparently egged on by Kavanaugh’s angry outbursts, they began trying to outdo each other with shouted indignation. They shoved aside their prop, a sex-crimes prosecutor brought in to do the dirty work of discrediting Ford. She failed at that job, and they didn’t need her anymore.

More: https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-just-lost-women-good-opinion-1143284?spJobID=1111478194

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Newsweek: REPUBLICANS JUST LOST WOMEN FOR GOOD OPINION (Original Post) Quixote1818 Oct 2018 OP
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2018 #1
I've seen this movie before hibbing Oct 2018 #2
I'm afraid you're right. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #10
Exactly. Rizen Oct 2018 #20
I agree that it's like a cult. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #41
"who want men to use their daughter's restrooms" keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #25
LOL! I've not seen that one before. That's good. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #40
Same. Excellent. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2018 #44
From the printed page to God's eyes YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #3
Kick & Rec Grassy Knoll Oct 2018 #4
"Nonsense," says Elizabeth Bathory, "Brett's our kind of guy!" Irma Grese adds, struggle4progress Oct 2018 #5
I know a few women that are more upset over what Cory Booker said Norbert Oct 2018 #27
40% of American women are anti-choice, so roughly 40% will probably still continue to support Cons. MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #6
True, I think it's suggesting over 50% of women may never vote Republican again Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #7
True. They will always vote Republican, anyway. It's the enthusiasm that has increased. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #11
The same 40% that supports Trump only my opinion Oct 2018 #19
Is that % that supports Trump that high? nt MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #35
Yes, sadly according to the polls it is. only my opinion Oct 2018 #37
Everything Dotard J Dump touches dies. roamer65 Oct 2018 #8
That's why Mel refuses to let him touch her anymore ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #9
I recall in 2008.... Thunderbeast Oct 2018 #12
I wish this were true rags17 Oct 2018 #13
All my life it's been a pendelum that swings back and forth. Mr.Bill Oct 2018 #14
You know that HAS to be true, don't you? dchill Oct 2018 #16
They'll either die out like the other dinosaurs BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #15
Great opinion piece in Newsweek karin_sj Oct 2018 #17
Dr. Ford is not a liar. If someone watches the video, the truth is clear. Stuart G Oct 2018 #24
They're out in full force right. John Fante Oct 2018 #26
I learned a long time ago: Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2018 #45
Unfortunately the Repugs normally commit massive election fraud. Without it there would have been diane in sf Oct 2018 #18
Unfortunately not exactly jgmiller Oct 2018 #21
Republicans will still do pretty damn well among white women. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #22
Are you kidding me? AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #23
Conservatives don't like Trump as a person, but he's getting their list done Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #33
exactly AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #34
Energized Repug deplorables base, energized Evangelicals, NoMoreRepugs Oct 2018 #28
If there is a shift of 5% of the women to the Democratic side Norbert Oct 2018 #29
I was thinking 2% Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #31
There's a trap in that logic Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #30
Women who have a conscience and empathy.. IOW Cha Oct 2018 #32
YES! Get them at the voting booth! Win elections! LBM20 Oct 2018 #36
NO, they didn't, too many white women will gladly support Trump and the GOP. themaguffin Oct 2018 #38
picture of Dr. Ford Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #39
i believe what will make this different tavernier Oct 2018 #42
I'll believe it when I see it. White supremacy is a powerful thing, and many white women are willing WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #43
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #46

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
2. I've seen this movie before
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:11 PM
Oct 2018

Not too long ago I was reading articles about the death of the Republican party.

Peace

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
10. I'm afraid you're right.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:58 PM
Oct 2018

You would think the Repubs have lost women, but I fear not. This will be a dim memory to many a year from now. (Not to compulsive, fixated me, though.)

Republican women will still vote Republican, and are comfortable in a patriarchal society. In fact, they feel threatened by the outspoken liberals who want men to use their daughter's restrooms. (I'm speaking from their point of view.)

The HOPE is with Independent women. But I'm not sure how many independents are women. Still, I think probably those women will vote Democratic at least in these mid-terms.

Democratic women were already not in their camp, obviously.

Rizen

(708 posts)
20. Exactly.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:53 AM
Oct 2018

The Republican party is a cult at this point. I'm not being melodramatic; they really exhibit cult behavior. Republican women and evangelicals will support their party no matter what. Trump could be convicted of raping a woman and they'd support him.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. I agree that it's like a cult.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:06 AM
Oct 2018

My independent Republican-leaning older brother in his 60's thinks so, too. We've never seen anything quite like the Trumpers before.

When Trump said he could shoot someone, and his supporters would stick with him, he was correct. He wasn't just spouting campaign optimism.

The failure to criticize the leader, or acknowledge any of his faults, and to lose one's own morals & ethics in order to follow the leader.

struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)
5. "Nonsense," says Elizabeth Bathory, "Brett's our kind of guy!" Irma Grese adds,
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:15 PM
Oct 2018

"He has really psyched us up!" And Natalia Baksheeva wants to know, "What's not to like?"

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
27. I know a few women that are more upset over what Cory Booker said
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:55 AM
Oct 2018

that was debunked by Snopes, than the poor choices that Kav made.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
6. 40% of American women are anti-choice, so roughly 40% will probably still continue to support Cons.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:36 PM
Oct 2018

Sadly, the Kavanugh confirmation process probably actually BETTER solidified those votes for Republicans, because with Creepy Kavanaugh now they have hope of a Roe v Wade turnover.

Unless we literally became an anti-choice party ourselves, that 40% is probably lost.

Quixote1818

(28,943 posts)
7. True, I think it's suggesting over 50% of women may never vote Republican again
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:39 PM
Oct 2018

in the same way the South stopped voting Democratic. There was always 40% who still voted for Democrats.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. True. They will always vote Republican, anyway. It's the enthusiasm that has increased.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:02 AM
Oct 2018

That's what I'm hearing, anyway.

Republican women are firmly in the patriarchal society and reliably vote Republican. NOTHING will change that.

ONLY independent women might come over to the Democratic side. Indies are often moderates, I think. They're probably pretty confused about now. The far left is too left for them....if it looks like the Dem. Party is taken over by them. And the far right is too right for them, and the Repub Party HAS been taken over by them.

But this woman thing might be enough, and Trump might be enough, to get them to the polls to vote Democratic this year.

 

only my opinion

(32 posts)
19. The same 40% that supports Trump
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:35 AM
Oct 2018

are anti-choice. The question is how important was this to the other 11%

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. That's why Mel refuses to let him touch her anymore
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:48 PM
Oct 2018

Oh, Mel, you lay down with a dog and you get...



Beautiful, beautiful CHOCOLATE!

Thunderbeast

(3,415 posts)
12. I recall in 2008....
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:03 AM
Oct 2018

The pundits declared a permanent Democratic majority.

They are the party of racism, sexism, Jeebus, and fear.

It is usually a winning formula, especially is a republic structured with electoral advantages that favor rural populations.

 

rags17

(18 posts)
13. I wish this were true
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:14 AM
Oct 2018

But I know that it isn't.

The Republican turds have no honour, no shame and no remorse. They will do it again and again and again until someone puts an end to them.

Until Drumpf and his evil evil enablers are consigned to the dustbin of history I don't ever see this waking nightmare having an end.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
14. All my life it's been a pendelum that swings back and forth.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:17 AM
Oct 2018

And it seems to swing farther every time. And that means it swings back farther. Our next president will be a Democrat that is the anti-Trump.

dchill

(38,502 posts)
16. You know that HAS to be true, don't you?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:29 AM
Oct 2018

If not, poor people, citizens and immigrants alike, will die. They (we) will die. As intended.

BigmanPigman

(51,607 posts)
15. They'll either die out like the other dinosaurs
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:21 AM
Oct 2018

or there will be something close to civil war if the distribution of votes and population don't change. We must change the constitution or another civil war is inevitable since the GOP does not accept change or the reality of globalization.

karin_sj

(810 posts)
17. Great opinion piece in Newsweek
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:32 AM
Oct 2018

But, OMG, the comments below it! Comment after comment after comment from republicans calling Ford a liar and saying how happy they were that Kavanaugh is on the Supreme Court. And there were many vile comments about Democrats. I think that the Russian trolls are out in force again.

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
24. Dr. Ford is not a liar. If someone watches the video, the truth is clear.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:30 AM
Oct 2018

Dr. Ford told the truth, Kavanaugh told the lies.

diane in sf

(3,913 posts)
18. Unfortunately the Repugs normally commit massive election fraud. Without it there would have been
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:32 AM
Oct 2018

no w or tRump. So we have to have huge margins to win. Hopefully enough people are mad enough to make this happen.

jgmiller

(394 posts)
21. Unfortunately not exactly
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:55 AM
Oct 2018

As someone else pointed out this is not going to move a large number of their remaining base away from voting for them, it's the independants that this will sway. More importantly it's not just women, it's all of the minorities that this will help sway. The GOP is doing a great job of convincing their base that all they care about are white males, many white females are fine with that. What they don't seem to care about is that they are also convincing hispanics, blacks and other minorities that they don't like them or care about them. Unforunately for us this isn't going to be a rapid shift, it's been happening for a long time and it will continue but it might take another 5-10 years before the GOP finally collapses under this weight.

To quote the song, it's just another brick in the wall.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
23. Are you kidding me?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 01:23 AM
Oct 2018

unfortunately, there is no lack of repub women. If anything, trump is much worse than kavanaugh on every imaginable count. If repub women supported trump, they sure are not at all concerned about kavanaugh. In general, gop folks don’t seem to care about any personal integrity, they only care about results: mainly - overturn roe v wade and kavanaugh is just a guy for that and it’s all there is to it. This article is misleading, gop is now as energized as dems for the midterm election and are exited about right wing SC for decades that trump delivered.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
33. Conservatives don't like Trump as a person, but he's getting their list done
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:25 AM
Oct 2018

Conservatives loved W Bush, but he had both Houses of Congress and a friend!y court and got very little of their list done.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
34. exactly
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:28 AM
Oct 2018

and to be honest if a hypothetical dem president had stuffed SC with RBGs for decades, while being a horrible person, I would overlook all of that without a shadow of a doubt, and be a happy puppy and sleep well at night. Because it is about the bigger pictures, simple as that. Repubs including women gop voters have fundamentally different views of what’s good for the country from us democrats, and those views almost never overlap.
In our party, we kicked Al Fraken, a very effective senator. I don’t care about anything in his personal life, I only care about his legislative accomplishments. It’s like art, music, etc. - we love the product regardless of who the person is/was.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,431 posts)
28. Energized Repug deplorables base, energized Evangelicals,
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:05 AM
Oct 2018

more tax cuts for the mega donors and corporations, and the Putin media machine all make for a formidable challenge in the midterms.

IMO, unless a LARGE number of young people get off their asses and vote Democratic the next two years will be far worse than what we've experienced so far.

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
29. If there is a shift of 5% of the women to the Democratic side
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:08 AM
Oct 2018

stemming from the events of the past couple weeks it is significant. If we had this two years ago we'd be talking President Hillary Clinton, not only with the popular vote but Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan would not have been close and Florida may have flipped as well.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
31. I was thinking 2%
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:24 AM
Oct 2018

And nearly posted that hope in this thread.

Maybe 5% short term and 2% sustained. I don't think we can realistically expect more than than, not in such a huge block.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
30. There's a trap in that logic
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:21 AM
Oct 2018

Women are not a homogeneous group. 51% of white women voted for Trump - even after the p***y grabbing comment. Some women are Deb Fischer and Susan Collins and Joni Ernst and Nikki Haley and Jeannine Pirro and Laura Ingraham. Some are fundies; some don't really believe the courts will take their rights; some don't care about reproductive rights; some see the sexual status quo between the men and women as "just the way things are"; some are just as rascist, bigoted, homophobic as any man; some don't see the big deal about a guy grabbing a gal on the bust or the backside; and some are just terrified that the world is going to Hell and want that solved - democracy be damned.

Progressive women need not only to shame old white men - they need to shame the mostly-white conservative women who had also played a large role in enabling conservatism's attacks on freedom.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
39. picture of Dr. Ford
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:25 AM
Oct 2018

Had to scroll quickly past that photo in the article.
Too much pain evident in her face. Photographer did the job too well.

tavernier

(12,391 posts)
42. i believe what will make this different
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:35 AM
Oct 2018

is the fact that a very large number of women have at one time or other been victimized by boys or men, and Dr. Ford’s testimony rekindled those memories and emotions. I personally know several republican women who opened up with their own horror story, often from a distant past.

Many old wounds were ripped open when Dr. Ford recalled her experience, and women watched to see how she (and they) would be heard.

I may be wrong, but I agree with this article. I think a reckoning is coming.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
43. I'll believe it when I see it. White supremacy is a powerful thing, and many white women are willing
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:49 AM
Oct 2018

to make that sellout.

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