JPR: "It's Been a Helluva Run!"

[brooklynite]

Manny and I are stepping down. We’ll no longer be the owners of JackpineRadicals. LandofEnchantment and SoFarFromheaven invested in a portion of the site a little over a year ago. At this time, we’re handing them the entire site. They are now the new owners.

I gather the transition is not going smoothly.....

[mcar]

1. No longer fun for them, I guess

How many times can calling HRC a c-word give one a thrill?

[JI7]

6. pretty much. im sure they will start up once democrats get more power

and a pres candidate.

fuck those right wing trolls.

[NurseJackie]

118. Being the "anti-DU website" doesn't seem to be a sustainable model for long-term viability.

[Hortensis]

143. Yes, but too bad. The more time that little nest of

hostile whackadoodles spend badmouthing Democrats, the less they sneak in here under new identities to act out their spite.

The Democratic party is dead. It outlived its usefulness years ago. It has never been more clear that voting Dem is voting for the continuation of corporatism. We need a new, energized Progressive Party and there’s no better time to start organizing to kill the old and to start the new! -- some of this weekend's noise from down the rabbit hole.

This from fringe flakes who can't keep a small forum from going under.

Anyone know if the new handlers are also Republican, like the old ones? Russian agents? Both?

[NurseJackie]

144. Interesting... this isn't the first time that I've heard-tell about the old management...

Interesting... this isn't the first time that I've heard-tell about the old management being Republican.

[Hortensis]

167. :) Who's surprised? Go far enough left, you'll find the far right.

Plus, a large proportion of left-wing populists are actually economically progressive but socially conservative. It's almost a definition of populism, and populists are a large portion of those who hole up at JPR. Social conservative hostility toward minorities may hide behind more "respectable" excuses but it never goes away, even when the excuses get really old and tired.

[SidDithers]

2. Manny sneaking back in here?...

Sid

[tymorial]

5. Hope not

[revmclaren]

12. You mean he hasn't already?

......




Only! 2018 - 2020.

[MrsCoffee]

24. Did he ever really leave?

[mcar]

27. That might give me....

Stockholm Syndrome.

[sheshe2]

49. Ya mean the watermelon and fried chicken Manny?

I think he posted that on MLK Day.

[lunasun]

52. That and so much other shit yep. I thought those of that persuasion all grouped up and could do

better on their own

[sheshe2]

59. Trust me.

I know all about Manny. He stalked me.

[lunasun]

60. Nah they luv ya . I think it's you ??

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/with-love-please/#post-1122870

[sheshe2]

64. I am not a member there so I don't see how they can ban me.

Perhaps they mean here? What whoah...is Manny here?

[still_one]

53. excellent recall sheshe!!!!!!!!!!!

[sheshe2]

61. Trust me.

Manny is unforgettable...not in a good way. Stalker,

Oh, and the Stockholm Syndrome guy, Willy. He went to JPR as well.

still_one.

[still_one]

62. I do trust you

[sheshe2]

65. Luvs ya

[progree]

71. The racist WillyT?

All emphasis mine --

Why do so many black Americans support Hillary Clinton? Stockholm Syndrome. They are faithful battered wives. They are yoked to Hillary by co-dependency. “I’ve stuck by you and suffered to do so for so long that you owe me, and I have faith that you will reward me later if I help you reach your goal now.”

In their minds they have no such guarantee from Bernie Sanders ... in their minds he owes them nothing, and thus cannot be counted on to reward them after the election for their support during it. (so in his mind, that for black people, it's all about who owes who what, so very transactional -Progree)

What this sad diminished thinking shows is a lack of confident independence, an inability to reason that ...

--- from WillyT in https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511520728

The post got 80 recs

[betsuni]

79. Nauseating.

[sheshe2]

85. 80 recs...

414 replies and they sure weren't complimentary.

Then be doubled down and made a second OP. Both were nauseating.

Thanks for the reminder of the evil, racist commentary that was posted on DU.

Now I am off to read the 414 replies again.

Thanks, progree.

[yardwork]

93. 80 recs from vile, stupid people. They aren't welcome here.

DU has been better without them.

[mcar]

95. I expect some will try to come back

[yardwork]

96. Some never left.

[mcar]

98. True

Lots of Democrat-bashing posts popping up lately.

[Gothmog]

120. I remember that thread

That poster did not try to disguise his/her racism

[GoCubsGo]

154. OH MY GOD!!! CHECK THIS OUT!!! WHOOMP THERE IT IS!!!!

How the hell did I miss that bullshit? Oh, yeah. I got sick of seeing, "OH MY GOD!!! CHECK THIS OUT!!! WHOOMP THERE IT IS!!!!" every other GD post subject line, I put that fucker on "ignore." My whole "ignore" list migrated to JPR.

[Andy823]

99. Yep those were the "not so good old days"

Manny and his minions were something. Always negative, doom and gloom, hair on fire, but according to them the only real "liberals, and progressives. If you didn't agree with them, you were the enemy. The only time I was ever alerted on was when I questioned things Manny said. Two hinges in one month! He was the only person I ever put on ignore.

I have no doubt he and his crew have been coming back here to cause problems, it just who they are!

[Jim Lane]

101. "If you didn't agree with them, you were the enemy."

Good thing that never happens here any more.

[yardwork]

102. You post a lot over at JPR, Jim.

What do you think about all this?

[Jim Lane]

104. What I think about all this

Both DU and JPR have some valuable posts and some trash.

On each site, prime examples of trash are to be found in the posts about the other site. It's pretty sad, frankly.

[yardwork]

106. So you think that saying mean things about DU is worse than promoting Trump?

I feel very differently. I think that undermining Democratic candidates and urging people to vote Republican is far more harmful.

[Jim Lane]

107. No, I do not think that and did not say that.

One of the biggest problems with DU is also one of the biggest problems with JPR: the straw-man argument, as wonderfully exemplified by your post.

Each site has many members who think of themselves as the polar opposites of the people on the other site, but who are actually far more similar than they realize.

[yardwork]

108. These are your exact words, to which I responded:

On each site, prime examples of trash are to be found in the posts about the other site. It's pretty sad, frankly.

[lapucelle]

112. There is no straw man argument in the response

to the extended and amplified tu quoque that was re-posited.

"I think that undermining Democratic candidates and urging people to vote Republican is far more harmful."

That's a fair and accurate characterization of JPR. That's why JPR is on Prop Or Not's list of compromised websites.

Anyone who does not think that saying mean things or disagreeing on policy points is on a par with undermining Democratic candidates and urging people to vote Republican should probably be judicious in his or her use of the "whatabout" card in this instance.

[yardwork]

114. JPR hosted a thread where posters pledged not to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Would you consider that a legitimate reason for DUers to criticize the site?

[Jim Lane]

119. Privately owned websites aren't bound by the First Amendment; they set their own rules.

On DU, a post arguing against a vote for Clinton would have been removed.

On Free Republic, there were posts alleging that Clinton was a closet lesbian who was in a romantic relationship with Huma Abedin, and those posts were allowed. From what I read here about Discussionist, I gather that such posts would also survive there.

On JPR, posts arguing against a vote for Clinton on the basis of policy were allowed, but a homophobic attack on her would have been removed. (I never saw any even attempted, and it would have certainly violated the ToS.)

You ask about "a legitimate reason for DUers to criticize the site" but that misses my point. No one on DU has articulated a comprehensive policy of criticizing every online forum that allowed anti-Clinton posts. Instead, JPR is singled out for repetitious and pointless attacks. Repetitious, because it's the same thing over and over; pointless, because the people being criticized are, for the most part, not reading the criticisms. One can support a vote for Clinton and yet also believe that the anti-JPR posts here are tiresome.

That's even aside from the fact that some DU posts about JPR, like some JPR posts about DU, are based on flat-out misstatements of objective fact. I've corrected some such misstatements on each forum but I don't have the energy to tackle them all. Besides, to do so would be plowing the ocean, because so many members on each site have completely closed minds when it comes to the other.

[yardwork]

124. Wading through all the obfuscation, I see that you were fine with voting against Hillary in the GE.

Given what was at stake - which has come to pass - I find that to be reprehensible.

I exercise my first amendment right to say that I have contempt for people who helped put Trump in office.

[Jim Lane]

133. Now you are just flat-out lying.

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If you mean that I voted against Hillary, that's a lie. I voted for her, despite my differences with her.

If by "fine with voting against Hillary" you mean that I think people had a constitutional right to vote against her, or that I think people who run websites have a constitutional right to urge people to vote against her, then, yeah, I'm "fine" with that. By the phrase "helped put Trump in office," are you implying that, with more posts on DU criticizing JPR for allowing anti-Clinton posts, the outcome of the election would've been different?

On DU there were plenty of pro-Clinton posts. I was on JPR, urging a vote for Clinton to an audience that wasn't seeing nearly so many such posts, and where there were some people who I thought might be persuaded. If you choose instead to sit in a safe space where no one is allowed to disagree with you on the point, fine, that's your choice, but don't tell me that I was helping put Trump in office.

[Demsrule86]

174. I see some there who talk trash about this site and yet who still post here.

[yardwork]

175. I see that too.

[betsuni]

177. +1

[Gothmog]

121. Did you approve of your fellow JPR posters applauding the booing of Congressman John Lewis

I was a delegate to the national convention and I was warned by my whip that this stunt was coming twenty or thirty minutes before it happened. This was a pre-planned stunt by sanders delegates and your fellow JPR types loved it https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/hey-john-lewis-karmas-a-mf-aint-it/
Nance has saved some of the comments from that thread on DU https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028476265

Do you approve of the opinions expressed by the members of JPR regarding Congressman John Lewis ?

[Jim Lane]

132. I post on a site, so I can be held accountable for all other posts there?

I suppose I could go to JPR, look up all the posts you're so exercised about, investigate the background, etc., etc., so as to issue my formal opinion on the subject -- but why should I? I post on JPR and on DU and there are lots of posts on each site that I don't even read, let alone decide Yea or Nay about.

If you have nothing better to do with your time than to keep rehashing what happened at the convention more than two years ago, fine, go for it, everyone should have a hobby. For my part, though, I'm not going to bump it up on my priority list just because you refer to my "fellow JPR posters".

Presumably some DUers will trumpet my response as proof that I agree with those posts and therefore hate John Lewis and therefore am out to destroy the Democratic Party and therefore get funding from Putin and -- well, FSM knows what other lunacies people will think. Go ahead and think it.

[Gothmog]

134. I am amused that you are comfortable posting on that board

I guess that the owners of that board see the writing on the wall and know that sanders is not going to run in 2020. sanders will never file his tax returns so as to comply with the ballot access rules in some key blue states. Under the new DNC rules, sanders can not pull his stunt of not joining the party and pretending to be an independent. The fact that the new DNC rules will force sanders to run and govern as a member of the Democratic party will keep him out of the race. Finally, if sanders does run, the issue that you do not want to talk about will be used against sanders. There are a great many real democrats who have long memories and who value the services of Congressman John Lewis compared to sanders. I suspect that a number of fun issues will be raised if sanders dares run in 2020.

Without the real prospects of sanders running in 2020, the writing is on the wall for JPR is pretty clear. It will be amusing to see if that board survives

BTW, I was amused when you refused to discuss the briefing on the silly DNC fraud lawsuit. The briefs in that case by the idiots representing the plaintiffs (some of whom are evidently JPR posters) are really amusing https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210544462 I am also enjoying the angst by the idiots representing the plaintiffs in that case over the appeal. The oral arguments on this silly case were scheduled to occur on Sept 15 and now have been moved to December at the earliest. The periscope posts of the attorneys representing the plaintiffs in that case are really amusing. The oral arguments in that case would be a blast to listen to. The concept that donors are consumers under the District of Columbia deceptive trade practices act is really a dumb claim.

Have fun on JPR. I have election law classes to teach and poll watchers to train. It will be a fun election cycle. George Soros is getting involved in one of my friends races.

[LanternWaste]

147. To try out the same excuses and justifications you're currently using on this post.

"so as to issue my formal opinion on the subject -- but why should I?"
To try out the same excuses, finger-pointing and justifications you're currently over-using on this post.

Or, simply maintain the implication of pretense that this thread alone requires a self-righteous moderation, while yet none others rise to the same level of imperfection and error.

(I'm betting a dollar it will be a variation of the second)

[Gothmog]

150. The attack on Congressman John Lewis is part of a pattern by JPR types

JPR posters hate the fact that real Democrats like Congressman John Lewis would not support sanders. If sanders runs in 2020, it will be fun seeing incidents like the staged booing of Congressman John Lewis used in ads against sanders.

I still believe that sanders will not run and without sanders as a national candidate, JPR is doomed

[Jim Lane]

155. I am not maintaining the proposition that you ascribe to me

That is, the one about "this thread alone" etc.

Furthermore, this kind of idiotic straw-man argument is probably my single biggest grievance with DU. It happens over and over and over.

I went a long time without using the Ignore function. More recently, although it felt like a defeat, I decided I had to give in and start shielding myself from the temptation to respond to bullshit posts like this one.

You are now joining the (still small) group that I have on Ignore, a development that I assume you will take as a badge of honor. Consider it my Indigenous Peoples' Day gift to you.

[MuseRider]

156. DU is a great site for news gathering

but meaningful discussion left the building years ago. There is a thread here and there that moves beyond painting others as bad people because they disagree with the group but mostly that is all there is here now. Not a site for learning more by having political discussion than what you learned, and here mostly did not learn, in kindergarten. It is a great place for lots of other things. I manage to still enjoy much here. Political discussion (not all certainly, but way too much) is almost just sticking out your tongue these days. Too bad, I hope it grows back up some day.

[Jim Lane]

166. "Too bad, I hope it grows back up some day."

I completely agree.

Down the road there may be some hope. Right now there's a constant barrage of posts that refight the 2016 primary, directly or by proxy. After we pass the midterms and see the 2020 cycle heat up, there will be differences of opinion that may give more opportunity for political discussions from which readers can actually learn. The Bernie-bashers we shall have always with us, of course. Nevertheless, even within their ranks there will probably be division about which non-Bernie candidate to support. The discussions here will be heated. We can hope that they will also shed some light.

[MuseRider]

182. What in the hell does that

have to do with this thread? *******I thought you had directed this to me, I am sorry but I will leave the response because I still believe it is worthwhile.

I believe I have commented on this before. I would also like to know. Ya know, I am tired of all the accusations that we believe he is without fault or believe he is our savior or believe he is the only person who has the answers. THIS is the only reason you would even ask this question in the middle of this thread about something entirely different. YES, I LIKE Bernie. I do not think he is faultless nor do I think he is a savior.

Yardwork, I like you and I always have but this post just seems below the poster yardwork I have read for years.

[yardwork]

183. Sorry, I meant to respond to the post below yours. My mistake.

I was responding to a complaint about Bernie bashers on DU.

I will self-delete and repost in response to the correct post.

My apologies.

[MuseRider]

190. I was the one

who made the mistake. No apologies needed for me. You are fine.

[yardwork]

184. Where are Bernie's tax returns?

You complain about "Bernie-bashers." I don't think that it's "bashing" a politician to ask why he has never released any of his tax returns, despite repeated promises to do so. This is a real and legitimate question for voters to raise.

[Jim Lane]

191. About Bernie-bashing

You imply that by "Bernie-bashing" I mean "criticizing Bernie Sanders about anything". That is not so.

On the specifics of tax returns: I believe that, other things being equal, it's better if a candidate releases returns. I also believe that, other things being equal, it's better if a candidate doesn't vote in support of an imperialist war of choice that kills hundreds of thousands of people, it's better if a candidate doesn't call the odious TPP "the gold standard" of trade agreements, and it's better if a candidate supports single payer -- and any one of those things is a bigger deal to me than tax returns. There are many Democrats now in Congress who aren't co-sponsoring the single-payer bills, but no one on DU keeps posting denunciations of them on that score every damn week. Still less do people tell outright lies about them here.

On Bernie-bashing generally, I'm not going to get into a detailed discussion, for two reasons. First, completely honest posts from me would draw alerts, some of which might succeed. I choose not to address the subject in a forum where I can't address it with complete candor. Second, even if I could say whatever I wanted, it would be a waste of time. Minds are made up. I'm resigned to the situation here: The Bernie-bashers you will always have with you.

[lapucelle]

109. "Whataboutism...

...propaganda technique where criticisms are deflected by raising corresponding criticisms of the opposite side."

Whether intentional or unintentional, the argumentum ad hominum tu quoque logical fallacy represents a particular type of muddled thinking.

It can, however, be an effective propaganda tool and is frequently the "fallacy of last resort" for those who don't have a actual argument to deploy.

That is not to say, however, that those who slip into this error in reasoning are necessarily conscious of it being a propaganda technique or employing it as a manipulative (but often effective) debate tactic. It could simply be that someone using it thinks it's actually reasonable.

[JI7]

82. he should have been banned right then along with every fucking person who supported him

but instead he was allowed to stay on and spew his right wing agenda.

it took him just outright calling for Hillary to lose to Trump to get banned.

[sheshe2]

89. Must say...

Many of them were let go and moved to the Russian infested site. The one where one of the owners, Mary told her members that it was a okay to call Hill the C word though gave a disqualifier. You can call her that at will, yet you call another member that you would be banned on that site. Nice, huh!

Yes he/ they were allowed to stay way to long. Sigh.

[Gothmog]

149. I saw somewhere that manny is a republican who voted for Reagan

[sheshe2]

151. Yup.

I saw that too.

[Gothmog]

159. Why would any Democrat pay attention to Manny?

I saw that he regretted voting for President Obama and thought that McCain would be a better POTUS

Why would any democrat pay any attention to this republican?

[Andy823]

54. I think he has been already

Probably more than once.

[obamanut2012]

73. He is probably here already

It wouldn't surprise me.

[yardwork]

3. Did Putin pull the funding?

[LonePirate]

9. That's what I was thinking, unless the Kochs did.

[yardwork]

11. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

[orangecrush]

31. My thoughts exactly.

[lapucelle]

37. Maybe Putin just dumped this particular set of useful idiots.

The comedy stylings of "With Love, Please" Manny and "Been a Helluva Run" Mary have been on Prop or Not's propaganda list from its inception.

http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

[XRubicon]

50. Manny shit stain

I just felt like saying that.

[TheBlackAdder]

63. Putin pulled out, after only leaving a small nut.

[sheshe2]

90. Eeeeew! nt

[tymorial]

4. Poor them.

That was sarcasm. I hung out there after the election when DU was down. There were some trumpers on there claiming to be liberal with a wait and see mentality. They were universally attacked but what I found so unbelievable was their moral superiority over those people. They blamed them for Trump but not one said they too were at fault for attacking Clinton loudly and going third party. It was incredibly hypocritical but they refused to examine that point of view.

[JI7]

10. they are pretty much right wing trump supporters.

[joshcryer]

7. More winning. :)

Aren't ya'll all tired of winning just over and over again?

[revmclaren]

8. They are getting the hell out of Dodge

before the Democrats are in charge again and the investigation of Russian friendly sites and their members begins.



Only! 2018 - 2020.

[orangecrush]

41. THIS!!!

[betsuni]

13. Is the revolution over?

[yardwork]

14. Yes. They think they won. Mission accomplished.

[sheshe2]

75. Waaaa?

There was a revolution?

[betsuni]

77. Maybe we missed it.

Or maybe the real revolution was for Republicans to gain total control. They deserve a long vacation after all that work.

[sheshe2]

83. I must have slept through it.

JPR had their revolution and no one came? Sad. Now closing their doors after a very short run.

Well... They are listed as a Russian Propaganda site, so yes it figures that it was indeed for Republicans since they are all owned by Russia.

Or maybe the real revolution was for Republicans to gain total control.

[grantcart]

100. Even their GBCW is beyond pathetic

"Its been a helluva run"?

Virtually no one has heard of these losers.

When they were at DU they got reasonable exposure, when they went on their own they fell off the radar. Except for an occasional posting here no one outside their group knows that they exist.

Instead of "a helluva nap" it would be more accurately characterized as "a blissful coma".

And this is the great part, they (all 42 of them) are reading thus thread and this post and they all know it's true.

You guys had a run, not great, not helluva, not one for the ages but an excruciatingly tedious one. I only visited a couple of times and the level of banality made the reader wonder if it wasn't a group of sophomores practicing satirical parody. They committed the ultimate discussion board sin: predictable and boring. So inconsequential are they that I can never remember their name and in 2 days will have to send sheshe a pm to identify exactly "what do those losers call themselves again?"

They all read this post and they all know it's true.

[sheshe2]

152. ...

[WhiteTara]

15. Did you know it's a ghost town here?

Damn and I thought I was among the living!

[TexasTowelie]

72. Now that you mention it:

[WhiteTara]

16. what does SV mean in relation to DU?

[betsuni]

17. They call DU Site Voldemort but I don't know why.

Never read Harry Potter. It must be a bad place.

[WhiteTara]

18. Interesting.

So, collectively, we're Voldemort, the epitome of evil? Wow.

[betsuni]

21. They definitely think we're evil. It's a hate site that considers DU a hate site.

It's nutty.

[JonLP24]

25. There is a lot of hate at both of those sites

I would never, fox example, cross-post a thread here and there saying I like Hillary Clinton & Bernie Sanders both.

[betsuni]

26. You're calling DU a hate site?

You're saying you can't say you like both Clinton and Sanders here?

[JonLP24]

29. I mean general hate though I have seen racism, misogyny, anti-semitism, etc here

It was joke like this site really hates "BS" and the other hates HRC.

I don't think JPR is a hate site but Discussionist definitely is with all those white supremacists tags which is run by DU administrators. like DU I have seen racist as well as anti Semitic comments at JPR. I last recall one poster describe Katherine Harris as "Obama with ---" another reason why I don't post there.

[GoCubsGo]

30. A large chunk of them were banned from DU for being hateful.

Funny how that works, eh?

[progree]

45. They call DU Site Voldemort -- why:

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JPR has a rule not to talk about DU because in the beginning, that was almost all they talked about (still do of course), and the admins wanted to focus more on "progressive" causes and purity and all that. Anyway, to get around the rule, people began to refer to DU indirectly as SV or S.V. - meaning Site Voldemort, the site that shall not be named. This comes from:

Lord Voldemort ... Nearly every witch or wizard dares not utter his unmentionable name, and refers to him instead with such expressions as "You-Know-Who", "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" or "the Dark Lord".

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Voldemort

Lord Voldemort is the arch-villain in the Harry Potter books.

Something I read there, a variant of this has been posted there a few times (at least).

I read there occasionally for amusement at what kooky things they come up with. I don't think most are right-wingers, but rather the kind of ding-dongs that vote for Nader and Jill Stein (there was actually a poll before the 2016 general election on how people would vote -- the results were that the vast majority would vote for Jill Stein, but a few would write in Bernie. There were no votes for Hillary, I think maybe that would get them kicked off the site.

EDITED TO ADD: Jim Lane disagrees with me about the poll and he could very well be right. As well as disagreeing with me that saying one would vote for or supporting Hillary is an automatic boot, given that he has had personal experience in doing so, and I have no reason to doubt his credibility -- https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11249648

[betsuni]

48. Thanks for the explanation.

Kooks and ding-dongs, so true.

[WhiteTara]

68. Before my sister and I quit speaking to one another

I called it JackAssRadicals and I thought she was going to come undone for sure. She has turned so kook af that I can't abide her.

[betsuni]

69. They've built their own bubble like right-wingers.

In the right-wing bubble Democrats are socialists who want to raise your taxes to pay for free stuff and in the JackAssRadical bubble Democrats are 1% corporate elites who've never fought for free stuff and hate progressives. At the same time!

[Jim Lane]

103. You're wrong about the JPR poll

You write:

There were no votes for Hillary, I think maybe that would get them kicked off the site.

Wrong on both counts. Some of us (definitely a minority) announced our intention to vote for Clinton.

Furthermore, there were posts advocating a vote for Hillary, which did not get the posters kicked off the site. I know because I was one of them. I was called a "bedbug" for supporting Hillary, but, to be fair, during the primary I was called a "bedbug" on DU for supporting Bernie, along with many other nasty names.

[progree]

110. Could be. I didn't save any notes or links to it. Just my recollection

Could have been a different poll, or the same one but at an earlier stage.

Definitely a *very* small minority of ones that would say they would vote for Hillary or support for her in any way, even just as "the lesser of the two evils" -- I've never seen even one such post. But I only drop by over there only very infrequently, and never participate (I'm not a member there). I'll have to take your word for it. Thanks for being a voice of sanity over there.

[sheshe2]

153. Thanks for all info, progree.

Enlightening to say the least!

[Codeine]

22. Maybe Skinnerville?

That’s been my guess for a while anyway.

[JonLP24]

19. Discussionist is a hell of a lot worse

I just don't go there because some there don't believe in the Russiagate and also they had to spell out "no pizzagate" in their conspiracy forum to show how bad it was.

[yuiyoshida]

28. You should read what they wrote about me...

racists assholes.

[orangecrush]

32. I hear

there are also rabid warthogs running loose there.

[Hoyt]

87. They are vile losers. Consider it praise.

[Ruby the Liberal]

43. Oh lord, is that dumpster fire still online?

That experiment was a disaster years ago. Surprised they are still footing the server bills to host it.

[Bradical79]

111. Must be good money for Skinner -nt

[ismnotwasm]

20. Ugh.

Gross

[MineralMan]

23. "Our work here is done."

[orangecrush]

33. The russian funding

must have been cut off.

[MineralMan]

35. JPR Is Toast!

I give it a month.

[orangecrush]

39. Good for the bastards

[MineralMan]

40. Some will slink back here...

[Gothmog]

36. I was thinking the same thing

[orangecrush]

38. the shredders

are running on high settings!

[JHB]

66. Or decided to dispense with the filter of useful idiots. n/t

[Maven]

84. Exactly. They had a job to do, and they did it.

I guess their contract expired.

[betsuni]

86. They probably need more of a challenge.

All you have to do over there is say the magic words "DNC" "Nancy Pelosi" or "Hillary Clinton" and they go out of their minds. There's no challenge in that! No wonder they want to move on to better trolling grounds where they have to put at least a little effort into it.

[Gothmog]

34. Boo Hoo

[Ruby the Liberal]

42. You would think they would be in their heyday right now.

"Burn it to the ground" and all that.

Wasn't that the plan?

[Turin_C3PO]

44. I remember when the site started.

I initially went there in hopes of comisserating Bernie’s loss to Hillary. What I found was all Clinton hate and Trump apologists. Never went there again.

[still_one]

67. While not all bad feelings would have gone away, I think what solidified it was that most over there

had no regrets for not voting for the Democratic nominee, and in fact said they would do the same thing again. This in spite of what trump and the republicans have done.

At least 90% of Sanders supporters voted for the Democratic nominee. Most over at JPR were outliers. It wasn't about progressive ideas, because if it was they would have voted for the Democratic nominee, and I have my doubts it was even about Bernie, since he voted for the Democratic nominee and they didn't

I am not even sure how to characterize it, but I think it came pretty close to the attitude Ralph Nader had in 2000.

[Raster]

160. I also went there when the site first started...

...I supported Bernie in the primaries, though switched to Clinton for the general. I could not abide all the unmitigated Clinton hate and the tRump* apologists.

And let's be honest, shall we? There was a group of fanatical Clinton supporters on DU that were downright cruel and vulgar, freely basking in the apparent fact that they could degrade and demean anyone they wanted to, and get away with it. The ONLY TIME I have ever blacklisted anyone was during that time.

[Turin_C3PO]

162. Yes, it was an ugly time.

I think I might skip reading the GD and stick to Latest News during the 2020 primaries. Too much fighting and division for me to handle.

[XRubicon]

46. Awww no more rubles....

Too bad for manny shit stain the russian dupe.

[NastyRiffraff]

47. Watch them come crawling back here

I hope I'm wrong, but where are they gonna go? Freeperville?

[Andy823]

55. I think some are already here

Lots of "doom and bloomers" seem to be showing up along with the "Democrats" are wimps, and all the other crap they used to spew here before they left for JPR.

[Arazi]

74. Twitter. Reddit. Slo mo boards like this and JPR are antique

[still_one]

51. I am sure Putin is more than happy to take over

[Bleacher Creature]

56. Mission accomplished?????

[XRubicon]

57. Fuck manny shit stain

[Downtown Hound]

58. What happened?

The revolution that they swore would happen when Trump got elected not so much fun? Hmm...too bad.

[George II]

70. Hmmm.........

[mcar]

97. ...

[JHan]

76. I don't know who these people are but they provided me with amusement tonight.

[SidDithers]

78. JPR will go the way of all of the other fringe-left spin off sites...

Old Elm Tree
Progressive Independent
Socialist Independent
The Bell Forum
etc.

Sid

[grantcart]

80. Didn't somebody just do GBCW flameout so they could post over there?

Talk about bad timing

Wait until the Blue Tsunami, then they will be depressed.

[JI7]

81. that's when they will be active again because their whole thing is attacking democrats

with their side in power right now there is nothing to attack. i guess you can keep going after hillary and other democrats but they hold no power and some are out of office.

[R B Garr]

88. LOL! Putin has finally pulled the plug!

No more Russian troll farm money! This explains a lot...

[sheshe2]

91. They were useful idiots.

[Hekate]

92. I think some have been re-infiltrating DU under new names. Way too many Debbie Downers...

Way too many of several other "types" we know too well and have invited to leave over the years. It sounds like they have not learned much in their time away.

[Adrahil]

105. Be ready for...

Lots of links to HA HA Goodman and "Sane Progressive" pieces. We're fucking doomed.

[DFW]

94. Adapted from "Casey At The Bat:"

Oh, somewhere in the blogosphere the sun is shining bright
The D.U. crowd is posting, and somewhere hearts are light
And somewhere men are laughing, and poets show their wit
But what may go on at Jackpine, I could not care one bit

[NurseJackie]

113. What does "SV" mean as it's used over there. It appears to be a pejorative nickname for DU...

What does "SV" mean as it's used over there. It appears to be a pejorative nickname for DU, but the origin or it's actual translation is a mystery to me.

[yardwork]

115. Site Voldemort.

[NurseJackie]

117. Thanks! I guess that is...

Site Voldemort.

Thanks! I'm guessing that must be some sort of workaround to circumvent a rule or edict that prohibits mentioning DU?

But if everyone over there fully understands that "SV" is code for "DU" then then anyone who mentions "SV" is breaking the rules.

[yardwork]

125. I find it to be in line with their emotional ages.

I enjoyed the Harry Potter books but I don't reference them in daily life. They were written for children, after all.

[progree]

131. Site Voldemort - the explanation

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11247526

But if everyone over there fully understands that "SV" is code for "DU" then then anyone who mentions "SV" is breaking the rules.

Yup. It doesn't make any sense. S.V. is widely used there, and I've seen the explanation of it there too.

[RhodeIslandOne]

116. Are they still pushing Seth Rich conspiracy theory?

Are they still throwing anyone under the bus who mentions Russia and election interference including Bernie?

Are they still claiming Mueller and Clinton want war with Russia?

Do they still have extremely woke dudes saying "The urban areas should not be deciding the presidency"?

Are they ripping Rachael and claiming "Trump may have won the midwest by more and she will never report it!"

Same shit, different plumber.

Fuck the ratfuckers.

[Omaha Steve]

123. $29,617.01

Jackpine Radicals for Bernie through Act Blue in 6 months!!!

[revmclaren]

127. I heard that a lot of JPR people donated to Jill Stein too

and are still proud of it...

Just saying...



Only! 2018 - 2020.

[Omaha Steve]

128. .

[revmclaren]

129. ...

Only! 2018 - 2020.

[cwydro]

139. You've got your own forum over there, don't you? nt

[Omaha Steve]

140. Yes I do

It was opened to raise $ for Democrats like Bernie etc.

OS

[MineralMan]

141. He's one of their "Wizards," I think.

Interesting.

[Omaha Steve]

145. And I still have the labor group named after me on the DU

Very interesting.

[MineralMan]

146. So you do. An odd contrast, I think, between the two websites.

Yes. Odd.

[cwydro]

164. Lol, one of their "wizards!"

It’s certainly interesting. And yes, odd.

[yardwork]

185. I thought that JPR was formed after Hillary won the nomination.

Why was JPR raising money for Bernie's presidential run after the primaries were over? I don't understand that.

Also, I saw a post recently on JPR from one of your founders in which it was stated that super delegates stole the nomination from Bernie. All of the super delegates in 2016 voted in line with their state's primaries. In other words, the super delegates had no influence on the outcome at all. So this statement by a JPR founder calling himself "Manny" something is flat wrong.

This just doesn't make sense to me. Do you care to clarify?

[Omaha Steve]

186. JPR went online December 2015 BEFORE the primaries started

I also raised from 2,108 donors a total of $77,149.00 for Bernie on the DU.



Supers were free to vote for the person of their choice. Most picked Hillary.

[yardwork]

188. Ok. The super delegates voted as their states chose.

[Renew Deal]

126. Maybe their Russian funding dried up

[Gothmog]

130. I personally doubt that sanders will run in 2020

First, sanders will have to file complete tax returns to get onto the ballot in a number of blue states due to ballot access laws. I doubt that sanders will comply with these ballot access rules.

Second, the DNC new rules will require sanders to actually join the party and run and govern as a Democrat Sanders is not doing this in Vermont for his senate run.

Finally, there are a significant number of real democrats who have long memories. For example, the booing on Congressnan John Lewis at the national convention will be used agains sanders if he runs.

The management at JPR May see the writing on the wall

[salin]

135. Look who/what else recently shut down.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/19/once-outlet-conspiracies-gotnewscom-now-shuttered-without-explanation

a short excerpt:

The site was one of three run by Charles “Chuck” Johnson, a figure in the racist “alt-right” who reportedly acted as an adviser to Donald Trump’s White House transition team, to shutter this year.

It isn’t clear why GotNews.com ceased operations. The website had been active as recently as Sunday, when it posted a full complement of headlines and stories and solicited tips and fundraising for the site and the legal defense of Johnson.

------

I just ran across this on twitter - and thought of this thread - and how interesting the timing seems.

[Brother Buzz]

161. Charles C. Johnson, not to be confused with Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs

Charles C. Johnson is a total asshole, Charles Johnson is an odd pragmatic 'Old School' republican.

[salin]

163. agreed - this is the nasty one.

another excerpt:

Johnson rose to right-wing prominence in 2014 as an alt-right troll who led social-media harassment campaigns against people who were involved in mainstream news stories, including journalists, publishing their home and private information online and leading to threats at their residences. He also was notorious for using overtly racist language on his Twitter account, though he was permanently exiled from Twitter in 2015 for using threatening language.

[yardwork]

189. Interesting. Putin was funding the alt-right groups.

Several of the posters who "founded" JPR posted racist points of view on DU for years. Several of them were eventually banned from DU for racist trolling.

I have always believed that JPR was funded with Russian money, as part of the disinformation campaign that Putin is waging in the U.S. and Europe.

JPR has every one of the "tells" - conspiracy theories about the Clintons, pro-BREXIT, pro-Putin, pro-Assange, anti-Ukraine, etc. etc.

[MineralMan]

136. I have looked at JPR about once a week since it started.

I do so to remind myself of who is posting there. Many once were posters here. Some still post in both places. Others never returned to DU after the 2016 election and the hacking of this website.

Once JPR dies its inevitable death, many of those will return to DU. Some already have. I checked out JPR to remember who was posting there. I do remember. I will continue to remember.

Every time I see Donald J. Trump speak from his bullshit pulpit, I am reminded. I will not forget.

[Gothmog]

137. I also check JPR out once a week

Many of the posters there are people who I had exchanges with here. I also will not forget

[Gothmog]

138. I saw this cartoon on JPR

The jpr types hated it and so I decided to post it here

[MineralMan]

142. +100

[JHan]

148. the accuracy of it all..++++++

[mcar]

157. +1000!

[NurseJackie]

172. So true. I'll never forget. And I'll never forgive.

[betsuni]

173. +1

[0rganism]

158. USA: It's Been a Helluva Run!

over 240 years! great job everyone, we hope you like the new management since we're handing off the entire country. Russians are now the new owners.

[PJMcK]

165. I go to their site every now and then

Usually when I've perused all of the posts on DU!

Interestingly, there are a few screen-names there that I recognize from here.

I've never signed up at JPR and if they close down, I won't care.

[Scurrilous]

170. K&R

[betsuni]

171. K&R

[Kurt V.]

178. never heard of it except here

[brooklynite]

179. It became home for the "Bernie or Bust" crowd after the 2016 Election.

[Kurt V.]

180. ah i see.

so i didn't miss anything then.

[Omaha Steve]

187. JPR went online December 2015 BEFORE the primaries started

Just to correct the date.

[zipplewrath]

181. Why do you say that?

Other than an attempted change to the hosting/formatting I don't see much that has changed.

I've always wondered if Skinner has tried to sell his hosting platform/software. It's one of the better ones I've seen over the years, although it is a bit skewed towards large screens. But it handles so many things better, one would think other sites would want to use it.