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(52,277 posts)
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 03:56 PM Oct 2018

Wtf kind of logic is it to blame avenatti for kavanaugh getting confirmed?

The supposed logic is that there were stronger allegations against him but he brought forth a comparatively weak one and that made it look like the whole thing was a frame job.

Hillary is laughing hard somewhere. If one weak, unproven allegation made all the other allegations go away, she'd be president for life.

Kavanaugh is getting confirmed because he was always going to get confirmed. He was so crazy bad that we somehow had a small glimmer of hope, but republicans have a majority in the senate and don't care about what the majority in the country thinks.

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Wtf kind of logic is it to blame avenatti for kavanaugh getting confirmed? (Original Post) unblock Oct 2018 OP
I don't get it either sakabatou Oct 2018 #1
Right wing talking point. Iliyah Oct 2018 #2
You bet it is. watoos Oct 2018 #26
It is divisive bullshit dalton99a Oct 2018 #3
It's Repug & Trump Logic.... global1 Oct 2018 #4
Russian logic. They call the shots and own the Fascists. (I am no longer saying Republicans or even rzemanfl Oct 2018 #5
Bingo n/t Greybnk48 Oct 2018 #17
Right wing and their internet trolls working hard trashing Avenatti. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #6
They want us to throw him under the bus like we did Franken bitterross Oct 2018 #24
They don't want him to get too powerful WhiteTara Oct 2018 #7
If he could defeat Idiot I'd take him in a heartbeat. MoonRiver Oct 2018 #11
Why not? watoos Oct 2018 #27
The right wing hates his effectiveness eleny Oct 2018 #8
(OT) and that explains their 25+ year hate of Hillary Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #20
yup, he's always in the ring eleny Oct 2018 #38
Right wing talking point. (n/t) FreepFryer Oct 2018 #9
He is the Greatest Threat to Trump Crime Family and GOP. FarPoint Oct 2018 #10
You got it watoos Oct 2018 #28
i wish i had faith in mueller questionseverything Oct 2018 #47
This is true Newland56 Oct 2018 #49
Repuke talking points that we love to buy into. Doremus Oct 2018 #12
the impotent self-loathing we on the left do qazplm135 Oct 2018 #13
Republican, Russian and troll logic. Squinch Oct 2018 #14
Doing my best Ari Melber imitation: violetpastille Oct 2018 #15
That's coming from the wimps who don't have the guts Thrill Oct 2018 #16
Ignore it...BS GOP nonsense to shift the real blame. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #18
I avoided all news today, just didn't want to listen to all the "analysis" crap. Who blamed Avenatt? George II Oct 2018 #19
C'mon man watoos Oct 2018 #33
Think of pretzels, and you'll understand. Pathwalker Oct 2018 #21
Wtf kind of logic is it to blame avenatti for kavanaugh getting confirmed? Jopin Klobe Oct 2018 #22
It's victim-blaming of the sort abusers foist upon the abused, or the abused take up on their own. RockRaven Oct 2018 #23
Avenatti for president or atorney general weissmam Oct 2018 #25
IKR? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #29
The logic of the same folks.... vi5 Oct 2018 #30
Divide and rule logic n/t malaise Oct 2018 #31
Exactly watoos Oct 2018 #35
Russian Trolls? dlk Oct 2018 #32
Russian trolls and the GOP are one and the same. watoos Oct 2018 #37
GOP Logic. Turbineguy Oct 2018 #34
Kavanaugh getting confirmed has nothing to do with Avenatti, although Republicans would sure love -Steph- Oct 2018 #36
It's more about Republicans taking down Avenatti watoos Oct 2018 #40
It makes no sense at all. Avanatti bears no responsibility. The GOP bears it all. Nitram Oct 2018 #39
Avenatti's Case Is Actually Solid DallasNE Oct 2018 #41
No logic whatsoever. ananda Oct 2018 #42
What kind of logic? Russian bot logic. marble falls Oct 2018 #43
senate democrats do not want to admit to their impotence DrDan Oct 2018 #44
I like Avenatti. Tavarious Jackson Oct 2018 #45
We haven't heard the last of him redstateblues Oct 2018 #46
There is no logic ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #48
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
26. You bet it is.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:16 PM
Oct 2018

All one has to do is pay attention to the same thing being repeated across cable news and one can find the right wing narrative.

Avenatti is one of the rare Democrats who can change the narrative, who can fight Trump blow for blow in the gutter. There is a concerted effort to smear Avenatti, especially since he talked about running for president.

Go get em Michael, they are afraid of you.

global1

(25,261 posts)
4. It's Repug & Trump Logic....
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:02 PM
Oct 2018

anything to discredit Avenatti - a person that has the guts to take on Trump and the Repug Party.

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
5. Russian logic. They call the shots and own the Fascists. (I am no longer saying Republicans or even
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:04 PM
Oct 2018

Repukes).

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
24. They want us to throw him under the bus like we did Franken
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:06 PM
Oct 2018

The right-wing wants us to throw him under the bus the way we did Al Franken. Then they don't have to worry about him anymore. They're just trying to manipulate us again.

WhiteTara

(29,719 posts)
7. They don't want him to get too powerful
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:06 PM
Oct 2018

because he's not in the club. Not that I want him as a president, but that's just my thought on their reasoning.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. If he could defeat Idiot I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:09 PM
Oct 2018

But he wouldn't be able to get past the Dem primary, so my point is moot.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
27. Why not?
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:18 PM
Oct 2018

I will vote for Avenatti in the primary, if he loses I will vote for the Democratic winner.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
8. The right wing hates his effectiveness
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:07 PM
Oct 2018

They'll go after anyone who is effective against their goals. He just keeps putting one foot in front of the other.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,380 posts)
20. (OT) and that explains their 25+ year hate of Hillary
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 05:46 PM
Oct 2018

She got shit done in spite of everything they threw at her.


Oh, back on topic...

Avenatti annoys Daddy's boy Donnie because, and I have this on good authority, he effectively dispels covfefe!

FarPoint

(12,417 posts)
10. He is the Greatest Threat to Trump Crime Family and GOP.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:08 PM
Oct 2018

Mueller is also in the same league...

DU always gets negative posting/ flaimbait when an opposition Democrat becomes effective.

There are sleepers amongst us...It is a price for free discussion. .

Newland56

(73 posts)
49. This is true
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 08:40 PM
Oct 2018

I implore all of DU to ignore/disengage all divisive post.
If your unable to disengage limit your comments only to defense of all of our fighters.
We need gutter punchers, high minded idealists, purists
We need them all
Today is not the day to fight amongst ourselves
We need a united front
We must embrace our collective strength and disregard our differences
We can fight among ourselves later
This is not the time or the place
“We must indeed all hang together or most assuredly we will all hang separately”
Benjamin Franklin

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
13. the impotent self-loathing we on the left do
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:17 PM
Oct 2018

when we lose.

The right gets mad at us when they lose, we get mad at each other.

It's so tiring.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
15. Doing my best Ari Melber imitation:
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:31 PM
Oct 2018

"Don't believe the hype, its a sequel-
As an equal, can I get this through to you?

Don't (pause).Believe (pause). THE HYPE. (Meaningful look)."

/arimelber

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
16. That's coming from the wimps who don't have the guts
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 04:34 PM
Oct 2018

To fight these people with the same toughness, they destroy Dems with.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
33. C'mon man
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:25 PM
Oct 2018

bashing Avenatti is a top 3 right wing narrative. The reich is afraid of him, they have a full blown negative, Swift Boat campaign launched against him.

I'm happy as hell he is on our side. He has my vote, he is not perfect, but he walks the walk.

RockRaven

(14,979 posts)
23. It's victim-blaming of the sort abusers foist upon the abused, or the abused take up on their own.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:05 PM
Oct 2018

If only I had had dinner ready when he/she got home....
If only I hadn't made him/her angry...
If only I had worn a different outfit...
etc.

The parties deserving blame for Kavanaugh's confirmation are the Senators who voted to confirm, the POTUS who nominated him, and everyone who voted for them.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
30. The logic of the same folks....
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:21 PM
Oct 2018

...how have been insisting for decades now that if we just play nice and be "civil" and "reach out" and don't be shrill that it will start paying dividends by bringing all of those mythical unicorns known as "undecided moderates" over to our side.

Any day now that's going to happen. After all, mealy mouthed, middle of the road moderation can never fail, it can only be failed by shrill folks or dirty hippies.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
35. Exactly
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:29 PM
Oct 2018

They are afraid of him malaise. I was clicking channels and came upon bow tie boy, Tucker, on Fox, just bashing Avenatti. I could only listen for a few seconds, but I was smiling the whole time.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
37. Russian trolls and the GOP are one and the same.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:32 PM
Oct 2018

Of course Russian trolls and bots are bashing Avenatti, they also were involved in supporting Kavanaugh. The GOP loves its Russian friends.

-Steph-

(409 posts)
36. Kavanaugh getting confirmed has nothing to do with Avenatti, although Republicans would sure love
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:30 PM
Oct 2018

it if we start blaming him.

I still don't understand why Swetnick's claims were just automatically dismissed by so many to begin with. We know from Ford's assault that he doesn't mind assaulting in a team with at least one of his friends. Mark Judge's ex-girlfriend of 3 years said Mark told her flat out that he participated in running a train on at least one inebriated girl during his school days. So why does it seem so outrageous for Swetnick to have seen that and been a victim of it herself? She claims to have reported it to the police. NBC said the police officer who she said took her report has since passed away, but they verified that he did work there at that time and NBC said they were currently working on trying to obtain the police record, which they were told could take up to a month.

I think she should have been taken just as seriously as any of the other accusers. If what she alleges actually happened, then what she suffered was unimaginable and to then come forward and not even be believed by many of the same people actively supporting Dr. Ford and Debbie Ramirez, I just couldn't imagine going through that.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
40. It's more about Republicans taking down Avenatti
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:43 PM
Oct 2018

than it is about taking down Swetnick.

Just because Republicans are saying that Democrats are blaming Avenatti doesn't mean that is true. I don't see any Democrats here blaming Avenatti, do you?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
41. Avenatti's Case Is Actually Solid
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:44 PM
Oct 2018

He even presented corroborating evidence. The FBI didn't speak to any of them.

The problem was that the story was so horrendous that nobody wanted to believe it.

Then there were the dozen or so lies he told on top of that but Collins decided he was a moderate in her own mold. So now we have a serial liar and sexual predator on the bench.

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