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Mme. Defarge

(8,036 posts)
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 02:56 PM Oct 2018

Howard Zinn: Don't Despair about the Supreme Court

It would be naive to depend on the Supreme Court to defend the rights of poor people, women, people of color, dissenters of all kinds.
by Howard Zinn
October 21, 2005

John Roberts sailed through his confirmation hearings as the new Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, with enthusiastic Republican support, and a few weak mutterings of opposition by the Democrats. Then, after the far right deemed Harriet Miers insufficiently doctrinaire, Bush nominated arch conservative Samuel Alito to replace Sandra Day O'Connor. This has caused ua certain consternation among people we affectionately term "the left."

I can understand that sinking feeling. Even listening to pieces of Roberts's confirmation hearings was enough to induce despair: the joking with the candidate, the obvious signs that, whether Democrats or Republicans, these are all members of the same exclusive club. Roberts's proper "credentials," his "nice guy" demeanor, his insistence to the Judiciary Committee that he is not an "ideologue" (can you imagine anyone, even Robert Bork or Dick Cheney, admitting that he is an "ideologue"?) were clearly more important than his views on equality, justice, the rights of defendants, the war powers of the President.

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https://progressive.org/op-eds/howard-zinn-despair-supreme-court/
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Howard Zinn: Don't Despair about the Supreme Court (Original Post) Mme. Defarge Oct 2018 OP
Sorry, but I'm gonna despair anyway. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #1
Howard Zinn died in 2010 oberliner Oct 2018 #2
Check the date of the article. Mme. Defarge Oct 2018 #3
Do you think his comments from 2005 are relevant to the current situation? oberliner Oct 2018 #4
Oh yes they are gabeana Oct 2018 #10
Everything has changed. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #5
I am quite sure he would marylandblue Oct 2018 #7
That was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away dalton99a Oct 2018 #6
From my ancient perspective Mme. Defarge Oct 2018 #9
Zinn wrote that a long time ago, so I don't know if he would still feel that way if still alive... FM123 Oct 2018 #8
Donald Trump is president. JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #14
Obama voted against confirmation mountain grammy Oct 2018 #11
Never forget what Kav hissed out SayItLoud Oct 2018 #12
He was presciently declaring volstork Oct 2018 #16
I didn't get anything relevant from that piece. JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #13
I needed to read this Politicub Oct 2018 #15
Avec plaisir! Mme. Defarge Oct 2018 #17
Kick and rec. Zinn would be soooo livid right now. MariaCSR Oct 2018 #18
Let's listen to some Paul Robeson struggle4progress Oct 2018 #19
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Do you think his comments from 2005 are relevant to the current situation?
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 03:12 PM
Oct 2018

Quite a lot has changed since then.

Mme. Defarge

(8,036 posts)
9. From my ancient perspective
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 03:37 PM
Oct 2018

things looked insurmountably bleak in the 1960’s/early ‘70’s, during the Reagan/Bush years and the GWB presidency. That’s not to underplay the grave seriousness of the current threat to our republic, but to help put it into perspective. And to emphasize the importance of hope, and individual as well as collective action.

FM123

(10,054 posts)
8. Zinn wrote that a long time ago, so I don't know if he would still feel that way if still alive...
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 03:37 PM
Oct 2018

but I think he just might. He had an interesting way of looking at things - I found an old quote from him that was similar to the OP

"The lesson of that history is that you must not despair, that if you are right, and you persist, things will change. The government may try to deceive the people, and the newspapers and television may do the same, but the truth has a way of coming out. The truth has a power greater than a hundred lies."


JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
14. Donald Trump is president.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 05:33 PM
Oct 2018

"...the truth has a way of coming out. The truth has a power greater than a hundred lies."

What if our government officials, both elected and appointed don't care if they're lying, as in the case of both Trump and Kavenaugh? Both lie openly about things that can be disproven with a simple phone call or Google search.

Truth doesn't matter if people find convenience in the lies.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
12. Never forget what Kav hissed out
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 05:09 PM
Oct 2018

"What goes around comes around". He will payback those he perceives challenged him big time. Just sayin....

JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
13. I didn't get anything relevant from that piece.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 05:27 PM
Oct 2018

I read it in it's entirety and it seemed to take an extremely long route to say our vote matters more than who sits on the Supreme Court. While that may be true to a point, he incorrectly states that the SC cannot take away abortion rights because states can enact their own provisions.

If the SC decides abortion to be murder, no state can sanction it any more than they can vote to allow lynchings to be legal. At least I sure hope they can't, I'm not a lawyer.

Mme. Defarge

(8,036 posts)
17. Avec plaisir!
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:00 PM
Oct 2018

Maybe right now people need to vent and mourn. For me, a historical perspective provides a reason to hope and makes me resolved to not let the bastards get us down.

 

MariaCSR

(642 posts)
18. Kick and rec. Zinn would be soooo livid right now.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 07:24 PM
Oct 2018

I'll bet he never thought it would be like this. Trump as President.

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
19. Let's listen to some Paul Robeson
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 08:20 PM
Oct 2018


And standing there as big as life and smiling with his eyes
Joe says, What they can never kill went on to organize

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