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Donkees

(31,433 posts)
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:46 AM Oct 2018

Murkowski to vote 'present' on Kavanaugh so Daines won't have to leave daughter's wedding

Updated 10:30 PM ET, Fri October 5, 2018

Excerpt:

Washington (CNN)Sen. Lisa Murkowski said Friday that she remains a "no" on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh but will vote "present" for Saturday's final vote, which won't affect Kavanaugh's confirmation but will allow Sen. Steve Daines to stay at his daughter's wedding in his home state instead of flying to Washington to cast his supporting vote.

Daines, a Montana Republican who has supported Kavanaugh's nomination, has been scheduled to attend his daughter's wedding on Saturday for months and made it clear he wouldn't be skipping the ceremony.

"I will be a 'no' tomorrow," Murkowski, an Alaska Republican, said on the Senate floor. "I will, in the final tally, be asked to be recorded as present and I do this because a friend, a colleague of ours, is in Montana this evening, and tomorrow at just about the same hour we're going to be voting, he's going to be walking his daughter down the aisle and he won't be present to vote."
"I have extended this as a courtesy to my friend," she added. "It will not change the outcome of the vote."

If no senators change their votes from Friday's cloture roll call, the final tally will sit at 50-48 at Saturday's final confirmation vote, enough for Republicans to confirm Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court with no senator holding the sole deciding vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/05/politics/lisa-murkowski-senate-vote-present-kavanaugh/index.html

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Murkowski to vote 'present' on Kavanaugh so Daines won't have to leave daughter's wedding (Original Post) Donkees Oct 2018 OP
Weasel Way Out.... global1 Oct 2018 #1
disingenuous ...perfect adjective--decribes repubs to a tee! RestoreAmerica2020 Oct 2018 #30
Kavanaugh gets approved, she gets credit for a 'No', Daines doesn't have to fly back. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2018 #2
Force the sob to fly back. Geesh LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #3
How thoughtful of her dalton99a Oct 2018 #4
How sweet of her. So considerate. Autumn Oct 2018 #5
Let's see her sell that reasoning to her Alaska Native constituents. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2018 #6
Why would Alaskan Natives be voting for a Republican in the first place? MichMan Oct 2018 #19
I can see someone doing that but it shouldn't be her mainstreetonce Oct 2018 #7
In order for such a scheme to work, Daine's "yes" must be paired another senator's "no" tritsofme Oct 2018 #25
This is evidence how they fuck up everything they touch. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #8
She's a spineless fraud dflprincess Oct 2018 #9
A pity Kav can't make the wedding. Girard442 Oct 2018 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiteTara Oct 2018 #11
Uh...that might cause a problem for you. MineralMan Oct 2018 #13
I'm quoting Samantha Bee. WhiteTara Oct 2018 #14
I know. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't MineralMan Oct 2018 #15
Quoting hasn't been the best defense in the last 72 hours.... moriah Oct 2018 #17
She needs to go duforsure Oct 2018 #12
It's okay for your daughter to be raped, but I wouldn't want you to miss her wedding Snake Plissken Oct 2018 #16
I wonder if it's a Russian Orthodox wedding. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #18
Nah, but hah! Christian Reformed fundy split-off from Dutch Reformed k8conant Oct 2018 #29
I think she did the right thing. A daughter's wedding is a milestone in a family. libdem4life Oct 2018 #20
Um, she's from Alaska, don't think Arizona's opinion matters. moriah Oct 2018 #24
True story...no accounting for state codes. Thanks for the state code check. n/t libdem4life Oct 2018 #27
"with no senator holding the sole deciding vote. " MGKrebs Oct 2018 #21
My understanding: MGKrebs Oct 2018 #22
Pathetic excuse by Murkowski on why not voting NO on Kavanaugh PufPuf23 Oct 2018 #23
This affects one person and his family. SomethingNew Oct 2018 #26
I totally agree. Don't hold it against her. We still must be a nation of cultural civility. n/t libdem4life Oct 2018 #28
How collegial of her! rusty fender Oct 2018 #31
And she's the least awful Republican senator today oberliner Oct 2018 #32
The vote will be 50-48-1 DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #33
That's way too much. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #36
Convictionless coward hiding behind a shredded veil of "courtesy." JDC Oct 2018 #34
Swamp Tired_Democrat Oct 2018 #37
edit...whoops, forgetting my senators...I guess an abstaining is better than nothing for an R. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #35

global1

(25,261 posts)
1. Weasel Way Out....
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:48 AM
Oct 2018

She could now have it both ways. Can say she was on record to vote 'no' but voted 'present' as a courtesy for a friend. And she can also say she didn't vote 'no' on Kavanaugh.

It just depends what group she's talking to.

Also can make campaign ads both ways. It's just a disingenuous weasel way out.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,437 posts)
30. disingenuous ...perfect adjective--decribes repubs to a tee!
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

dis·in·gen·u·ous
ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/Submit
adjective
not candid or sincere.
synonyms: insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical. Ex.
"that innocent, teary-eyed look is just part of a disingenuous act"


Note: example given (take from online dictionary ) seems as though it was written for the likes of kavanaugh and gop with their usual chicanery on display.

6. Let's see her sell that reasoning to her Alaska Native constituents.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:58 AM
Oct 2018

You expect your Senator to stand up for your interests, and Alaska Natives (who are the reason she's in office) flew all the way to D.C. to let her know what they expected of her, and that was a "No vote." Choosing not to vote at all because of some bullshit reason about not wanting to bother another senator's vacation plans (because that's what it really is) is the least courageous action she could have taken. I hope Alaskan Natives turn on her and kick her frozen ass out.

MichMan

(11,950 posts)
19. Why would Alaskan Natives be voting for a Republican in the first place?
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:49 PM
Oct 2018

Much less providing the votes that allowed her to defeat a Democratic opponent.

tritsofme

(17,387 posts)
25. In order for such a scheme to work, Daine's "yes" must be paired another senator's "no"
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:16 PM
Oct 2018

Since Murkowski is the only GOP “no” vote, she is the only one who could pair, unless a Democratic senator was willing to play along.

Girard442

(6,081 posts)
10. A pity Kav can't make the wedding.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:14 PM
Oct 2018

I hear he's really the life of the party after he's loosened up with a coupla-three drinks.

Response to Donkees (Original post)

moriah

(8,311 posts)
17. Quoting hasn't been the best defense in the last 72 hours....
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:28 PM
Oct 2018

... even when quoting something far less obscure than Yoko Ono.

Thanks for deciding on discretion.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
12. She needs to go
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:19 PM
Oct 2018

He openly lied over and over again, and he WAS linked to hurting women but they refused to allow the FBI to show anything other than what they wanted so he would pass. She's a fraud and will be done soon enough for this.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
20. I think she did the right thing. A daughter's wedding is a milestone in a family.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:00 PM
Oct 2018

He should not be penalized for it. I have more and more respect for her .every day. She does the right thing. And it will increase her popularity in Arizona as she gets to have it both ways....as fate would have it...unlike Susan Collins.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
24. Um, she's from Alaska, don't think Arizona's opinion matters.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:12 PM
Oct 2018

Being from Arkansas (AR), which people will assume looking at the abbreviation is Arizona (AZ) or address our packages to Alaska (AK), I'm understanding of how the confusion can occur. And I am sure Alaskans get annoyed at their packages getting addressed to Alabama (AL).

Thank the FSM for zip codes or mail wouldn't get anywhere.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
21. "with no senator holding the sole deciding vote. "
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:03 PM
Oct 2018

I don't understand this.
Even if she voted 'no' it would be 50-49. So is it really Manchin she is protecting?

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
22. My understanding:
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:07 PM
Oct 2018

Manchin, the only Dem to support Kav, didn't want to be the deciding vote. If Murk were to vote no, he WOULD be the deciding vote, and maybe would even change his vote to no, killing the nom.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
23. Pathetic excuse by Murkowski on why not voting NO on Kavanaugh
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:10 PM
Oct 2018

Let Daines be there to cast a vote.

Politician BS.

SomethingNew

(279 posts)
26. This affects one person and his family.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:30 PM
Oct 2018

It doesn't change the outcome of the vote or the margin of the final tally. It doesn't allow for any wiggle room to deny the vote come election time since all of this was so we'll publicized. The only person it affects is the guy trying to go to his daughter's wedding and his daughter. I don't think anyone should be discouraging this out of spite or pettiness.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
33. The vote will be 50-48-1
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 02:12 PM
Oct 2018

If Manchin would decide to vote no, it would be 49-49. If Murkowski then decided to vote no instead of a present, it would be 49-50. Then the vote would be held open until Daines returned and voted yes to make it 50-50 and Pence would cast the tie-breaking vote for Kavanaugh.

Murkowski did Daines, who is up for re-election in 2020, a big favor by allowing him to avoid being the deciding vote on Kavanaugh, but that's about it.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
35. edit...whoops, forgetting my senators...I guess an abstaining is better than nothing for an R. nt
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 03:14 PM
Oct 2018

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