If Kavanaugh is confirmed, should he be impeached?

[kentuck]

At this moment, it does appear that he will be confirmed.

Could there be a package deal? Impeach both he and Trump at the same time??

[Codeine]

1. Why?

The Senate wouldn’t convict, so why would we deliberately put a mark in the L column?

[kentuck]

3. Why would that be a loss?

If the Senate doesn't convict?

Shouldn't the blame then be on the Senate?

[Codeine]

9. Being impeached but not convicted

confers an aura of legitimacy and innocence upon the impeached, and weakens the party that brought the charges.

It’s the same reason the Republicans didn’t seriously consider attempting to impeach Obama for whatever imagined crimes they attached to his name — they learned from their idiocy with Clinton. A failed impeachment made them look like fools and strengthened the President while weakening them in the next election.

[kentuck]

10. Is there a constitutional duty to obey the Constitution?

If there are laws broken or high crimes and misdemeanors?

Or should all transgressions be ignored because the Senate will not "convict"?

[Codeine]

13. If a politician wishes to weaken our agenda

by tilting at windmills then I don’t want that person representing me. I don’t need symbolic purity and and wasted effort spent making a point but losing. I don’t want our enemies strengthened because we couldn’t resist the opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[kentuck]

16. Do you think we have a strong agenda at present?

Do you think our enemies have not become "strengthened" already?

"Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory"??

[Codeine]

19. All this assumes we gain control

of the House. That’s victory. That’s the base for an agenda. Wasting that control on a Quixotic attempt to impeach in the face of obvious acquittal would be a pretty clear case of snatching defeat in my opinion.

Your mileage may vary.

[kentuck]

20. We did not get in the minority by impeaching Republicans...

Maybe we would have been better off if we had?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

24. impeach until it sticks

Investigate, impeach on part of the results. Senate fails to convict. Yell to the public.

Investigate, impeach on some more of the results. Senate fails to convict. Yell to the public.

Investigate, impeach on the rest of the results. Senate ours, convicts, celebrate.

Don't let these vile criminals escape consequences. Been there, done that, lost voters to apathy because of it.

[Beartracks]

35. Good point: it's the long game that matters. GOP is good at the long game.

This right-wing media culture and political monstrosity didn't happen overnight, and neither will efforts to shrink it and drown it in a bathtub.

The 2018 mid-terms are the first salvo in what must be a sustained, determined, consistent effort. If you've ever seen a tsunami, then you know that for our Democratic Blue Wave to reshape the landscape of this country it will need to be not just a single wave, but must be wave after wave after wave. That means 2018, 2020, 2022, and beyond, and every state and local election in-between.



Vote every time. Vote Democrat.

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[Hermit-The-Prog]

36. Benghazi

Our model for investigating the criminal organization known as GOP should be their treatment of Hillary Clinton. The difference is, there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing on their part.

[Beartracks]

38. The Benghazi investigation was an actual witch hunt. The GOP...

... seems to specialize in launching witch hunts against Democrats (Benghazi, Whitewater) so that they can then decry any investigations against Republicans -- investigations that would surely expose their very *real* crimes -- as retaliatory, partisan witch hunts.n

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[liberal N proud]

26. Not this senate

We must change the senate.

[RandiFan1290]

11. Nice try

They won 2000, 2002, and 2004

Impeachment didn't hurt the republicons

[Codeine]

15. We won in 2000.

The Supreme Court enacted a judicial coup.

[RandiFan1290]

17. Whoop de doo?

They still won.

What was done about 2000?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Exactly. An impeachment that is likely to result in an acquittal

is worse than none at all.

[oberliner]

2. That is not going to happen

[Soxfan58]

4. Don't worry

If the mans been "liking" beer since the early eightys he proberly does not have much time left.

[greymattermom]

14. I recently saw a video of him in 2015

and he looks a lot worse now. Most folks don't age that quickly at his age.

[Soxfan58]

18. I have a old drivers licence that I keep

From when I drank. I look much younger now in my picture than I did then 20 years ago. Alcohol is a poison.

[samplegirl]

5. Will never happen

And the reputed will make sure of it.

[beachbum bob]

6. in 2019 it can be looked at....

but there is little hope of removal until after 2020, so why waste the effort? I think it might be better for criminal prosecution of kavanaugh in Maryland if there is a case to be made.

[john657]

22. There is no case to be made in MD,

the statute of limitations has long since passed on the alleged sexual assault.

[beachbum bob]

25. my understanding that in Maryland there is no statete of limitations for sexual assualt.

[john657]

28. There is no SoL now,

but back in 82-83, when this allegedly happened, sexual assault was a misdemeanor with a 1 year SoL.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. That's true now, but in 1982 attempted sexual assault was a misdemeanor

with a one-year statute of limitations. The applicable limitation is the one that was in effect when the act occurred. The law was changed in the '90s to eliminate the statute of limitations but that newer law doesn't apply to this situation.

[ananda]

7. He should at the least be disbarred immediately!

And then removed from the court later!

[shanny]

8. We need to pack the Court,

at our first opportunity. Increase the number of Justices, and fill the empty seats with RBG clones--all female obviously. Give the women the upper hand and watch all those pricks squirm, esp. Kavanaugh and Thomas. Maybe they will decide to devote the remainder of their pathetic lives to other endeavors.

[RandiFan1290]

12. It will be time to "move forward"

[TreasonousBastard]

21. Dream on! No sure grounds for K's impeachment yet, and..

Trump's depends on a Democratic Congress, with some Republicans on board.

[delisen]

23. The need for an "Intelligence Branch"

I believe impeachment od Kavanaugh is possible and does not have to be done immediately. It can wait until the ranks of non-Republican party members in the Senate are much lower.

I believe the main push by Republicans to seat Kavanaugh was not women's rights (although definitely a part of the push) but the need for a corrupt judge who would be owned by the corrupt Republican Party-and I include G W Bush as well as Trump-and a Federalist Society determined to kill democracy in America. There will now be five Federalist Society members of the Supreme Court.

I believe we are at war and we need to build our army. Every army at war needs an Intelligence Division. Ours is scattered and while it is useful to be de-centralized with many groups gathering and disseminating information or intelligence-it is also imperative to have a central unit. A web presence where information about the enemies plans, and movements are available to all of us.(real vetted facts and high level analysis-not venting and not suppositions or guess work. Not every thing will be able to be made public-but we need much more public information then we have now

If we had that on Kavanaugh prior to his nomination, it is possible he may have been withdrawn and someone else nominated who was not as corrupt.

I think we need to be quite open about the fact that war is being waged upon us and that the Trump Republican agenda is moving forward on many fronts. The separation of children from their families is still occurring and now children who are citizens are being separated from non-citizen parents. At least one young adult adopted as a child by a military family has been slated for deportation because of technical issue with filing papers.

There are lots of attorneys and organizations working on individual cases but no one place where the information about the governments policies, procedures, and actions are being recorded and made available to all of the public.

The Nazis did not just march into Austria one day to be greeted with open arms. They actively worked for years on their plan to take over Austria and made their move after they had ensured that resistance would be futile. This current move to dictatorship in our country is following the same planning pattern.

A while back the Calexit plan for California secession was being propagandized in the press as a legitimate political phenomenon---until a few people discovered the it was being run out of Russia by an American married to a Russian and living there.

Today an Alaskan Independence movement may seem absurd or the thought of Russia claiming part of Alaskan territory--but if it happens a few years down the road and Trump is still in the Oval Office, I think he would lend some support by saying, Well the Russians might have a claim, we'll have to look into it."

I spend too much time wading through information, disinformation, and emotionally-based opinions to find the facts. That lives less time to act in opposition; less time to be active in defending democracy.

Such a website will need funding and staffing. I think that funding can be raised.

[-Steph-]

33. I think everything you've said is exactly right. I completely agree with you.

[Garrett78]

30. In a sane world, yes. But impeachment without conviction would backfire.

The case has to be so strong and so potentially damaging to the Republican Party that 67 Senators would convict.

Democrats can get impeached or forced to resign, but impeaching a Republican (including a Supreme Court justice) is next to impossible.

[BeyondGeography]

31. A lifetime of torment will probably have to suffice

Unless some more conclusive (to wavering Senators) evidence comes along.

[madville]

32. No, Dr. Ford doesn't want this carrying on for years

"As Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh awaits a final Senate confirmation vote, a lawyer representing Christine Blasey Ford says she absolutely does not want him impeached if Democrats take control of Congress."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/05/politics/christine-blasey-ford-lawyers-brett-kavanaugh/index.html

She's already been put through enough, I don't blame her for wanting the circus to end.

[rockfordfile]

34. investigate first

[Downtown Hound]

37. Um sure, if you have the votes and the evidence

The evidence I think could be found, but the votes? Good luck with that.