About this idea of giving up....It is NOT hopeless..Here is an example..

[Stuart G]

Go back to the 1972 election. You can find it easily in a number of places..

...Democrats won one state ..Massachusetts ...look it up..and it felt hopeless. But it wasn't. Nixon resigned in 1974. and Jimmy Carter was elected in 1976. Carter mandated in 1977, as President that some years into the future, 1984,..that all cars have seatbelts. (later air bags and crumple zones etc)..Tens of thousnds of lives have been saved..

.......Now in 1972, when Nixon was elected for the second term, it seemed hopeless but it wasn't. 4 years later a Democrat was elected. 32 years later an Afro American was elected who proposed and enacted a number of progressive programs that also saved lives. (like Obamacare). It seemed hopeless in 1972, but it wasn't. We have to hang in there and fight and not give up.

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President Won 49 States And 521 Electoral Votes - The New York Times 1972
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So, I worked for McGovern, and I rang doorbells, and passed out literature..I remember telling one fellow, that there was a break in earlier in the year at "Watergate" and he slammed the door on me. Who would have known that 2 years later, Nixon would resign. Trumps attitude is ..poison and he will meet his match in about a month. He really doesn't have a clue. Go out to vote...

[eleny]

1. I'm glad you migrated this to a new topic

We need historical perspective on a day when people could feel kicked in the teeth.

I remember those years clearly. I was 26 in 1972. My first year of activism was in August 1963 when I went to the march on Washington. Yes, that march. I've had a number of one step forward and two steps back experiences.

This may be worse than ever. But I figure that over all these years I've toughened up and have to remember that I'm tough. I can't afford to forget it.

[Stuart G]

2. Thank You for saying this. It is important to see a positive perspective on evil.

In the 80s with Ragan and Bush Sr...I never thought we could possibly elect an Afro American to the office of President of the United States, but we did. As a kid in the 50s, I saw movies about going to the moon, but we did. In the sixties I watched a TV show called Star Trek, and they had a "hand held computer that doubled as a "communicator"..Future crap I thought..I will never live to see that day..
................So what are these things, cell phones?..and hand held computers too????

..We never know..some good, some bad..but we never know..

[eleny]

3. Trolls are active here tonight

Don't absorb the dispiriting messages.

[Stuart G]

4. Correct...we don't need to see the dispiriting message..Why? Because....

If enough of us who believe in fairness and real justice come out and vote on November 6, there will be a response that will shake this country and prove that Trump and his statements are totally wrong, and the rest of us, are (along with the lady from Alaska) are totally right and correct. People will talk about Trump and this sexist court appointment up to and including the day of the election in one month..
...and most of that talk will be about Trump what he said, and what he did.. but we will see how the vote goes..and that vote will prove if Trump is correct, or we are correct.

[eleny]

5. Right wingers always overreach

Toxic greed. There's never enough. And that's their weakness. They can't even see that when our buying power diminishes their reality crumbles.

Not all of us have the time to see this through. But we have to know that we're right about all this. That keeps me going.

[Stuart G]

6. eleny..you have said it all..in 2 words...."Toxic greed." great term...and the truth.

I point out again in 72, these slimeballs were sure they had it all..."Toxic Greed"
...They had won the largest majority in electoral history..4 years later the slimeballs lost.
....In 2008 early on, McCain looked like he couldn't be ever beaten,,but he was, by an unlikely candidate.
....Trump has it more than anyone..Toxic Greed and he will meet his due reward much sooner than he thinks...that is what I think...and I will say it again, ...he hasn't got a clue...

[Stinky The Clown]

8. I have been in Berlin this week. One need only visit the memorial park on . . . . . .

. . . . . . . on Bernestrasse to understand that even the worst evils can be overcome. To stand on the site where people jumped out of apartment windows to the waiting firemen with a net. To see where they dug tunnels under the wall. To see where they were shot to death by GDR soldiers.

One only need visit brandenberg Gate, checkpoint Charlie, or the museum in the former SS prison across the street from their former headquarters. There you see the plight of Jews, gays, gypsies, political dissidents, and others. You see Himmler and think instantly of Stephen Miller.

Brick and mortar remnants of the nazis and the soviets remind constantly of what was and of the power of DECENCY and the need to be free to see the result of the will of the human spirit.

Reagan and Gorbachev didn’t “tear down that wall”. It was Solidrnosc. Lech Walesca. It was the rapid spread of the human spirit that crossed the border from Poland to the GDR. It was people in labor unions. The history, while recent, is sufficiently distant that it ignores the mythology of it all to lay out clearly what really happened.

Our current pain and increasingly bad circumstances are certainly real, but populations have overcome far worse.

I am both frightened for our society and hopeful for a quicker resolution than past dire straights.


Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

7. K&R.