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ffr

(22,672 posts)
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 05:01 PM Sep 2018

You know how RW'ers use 'liberal' as a bad word? They won't mind then if you call them illiberal.



illiberal adjective
il·lib·er·al

Definition of illiberal

: not liberal: such as

a archaic

(1) : lacking a liberal education

(2) : lacking culture and refinement

b : not requiring the background of a liberal arts education illiberal occupations

c archaic : not generous : stingy

d : not broad-minded : bigoted illiberal thinking

e : opposed to liberalism illiberal tendencies Websters Dictionary Online

It's all true. They are illiberals, so go ahead and levy that word on them. If they think liberal stinks, they're really going to hate it when you throw that zinger back at them.


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You know how RW'ers use 'liberal' as a bad word? They won't mind then if you call them illiberal. (Original Post) ffr Sep 2018 OP
OUCH! keithbvadu2 Sep 2018 #1
I like it! alwaysinasnit Sep 2018 #2
PM Orban in Hungary says his goal is an "illiberal state" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2018 #3

muriel_volestrangler

(101,368 posts)
3. PM Orban in Hungary says his goal is an "illiberal state"
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 06:28 PM
Sep 2018
And so in this sense the new state that we are constructing in Hungary is an illiberal state, a non-liberal state.
...
When I mention the European Union, I do so not because I believe that it is impossible to construct a new state built on illiberal and national foundations within the European Union.

http://www.kormany.hu/en/the-prime-minister/the-prime-minister-s-speeches/prime-minister-viktor-orban-s-speech-at-the-25th-balvanyos-summer-free-university-and-student-camp

Orban said the European parliamentary vote must prove that there was an alternative to liberal democracy, which he said worked in undemocratic ways in Western Europe by being intolerant of alternative views.

“Christian democracy is not liberal...It is illiberal, if you like,” Orban said.

Unlike liberal democracy, he said, Christian democracy rejects multiculturalism and immigration while being anti-communist and standing for Christian values.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-orban/hungarian-pm-sees-shift-to-illiberal-christian-democracy-in-2019-european-vote-idUSKBN1KI0BK

So don't get your hopes up; many of them will take that label willingly. They'll ignore the definition marked 'archaic', fairly reasonably, as we don't use 'liberal' to mean "generous with money" any more (read, for instance, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire for that usage). They are happy to say they're not "broad-minded"; they're happy to say their way of thinking has only ever been the 'right' way, though they won't agree that's "bigoted". They oppose liberalism.
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