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Pluvious

(4,319 posts)
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:39 PM Sep 2018

WSJ: White House 'Shellshocked' by Developments; 'There's No Plan B'

It's the story of the Groping Donald's entire term so far.

A person close to the White House described those working on the confirmation process as "shellshocked" by Friday's events.

"As of last night, everyone was in a good mood," the person said, saying the view was that Dr. Ford's testimony was "good" but Judge Kavanaugh's was "great." As of 10 p.m. Thursday, the person said, "everything was locked and loaded."

Then, shortly before midnight on Thursday, the American Bar Association issued a letter urging the Senate Judiciary Committee to vote on Judge Kavanaugh's nomination only after a "thorough" FBI investigation. After that, the person said, "It kind of fell apart."

The person said there was "enormous anger" at the ABA from the White House counsel's office and other lawyers working on the confirmation process, describing the letter as a pivotal development that prompted strong discomfort in particular from Ms. Murkowski.

Ms. Murkowski said Friday morning before the Senate committee vote that she remained undecided on the nomination.

The White House isn't expected to talk to any other candidates for the Supreme Court nomination next week while the FBI investigation is under way, the person said.

"There's no Plan B here," the person said. Any backup plan, the person said, would not be "viable" given the timing of the midterm elections in early November.

-Rebecca Ballhaus


#WellOiledMachine

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https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/kavanaugh/card/1538166098
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WSJ: White House 'Shellshocked' by Developments; 'There's No Plan B' (Original Post) Pluvious Sep 2018 OP
Even their Plan As tend to be terrible. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #1
It's obvious that they NEVER vetted this man. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #27
+++ agree. iluvtennis Sep 2018 #56
They never vetted Trump either. dem4decades Sep 2018 #63
I think they did. That's why they didn't give most of the docs to the Democrats. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #64
I agree! peekaloo Sep 2018 #78
I hope they had stuff they kept from the Democrats and Democrats get pissed. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #84
They go directly from Plan A to Plan D...DISTRACTION. BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #41
I don't believe a gawd damn thing from the WH and the Iliyah Sep 2018 #2
I don't believe any of it either..nt helpisontheway Sep 2018 #13
Ms. Murkowski can easily be persuaded by McConnell to follow orders. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3
Murkowski is tenacious; she represents her state. janx Sep 2018 #11
Add to that CatWoman Sep 2018 #17
My son continues to vote for her. n/t janx Sep 2018 #19
I hear you all...but just can't understand how Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #44
She like Flake and all the rest of the Repugnants still shoehorned in Gorsuch with 51 votes. cstanleytech Sep 2018 #32
The party shat on her. You must have forgotten she won on a write-in campaign emulatorloo Sep 2018 #79
Didn't McConnel beg Trump to pick anyone on the list but Kavanaguh? Flaleftist Sep 2018 #4
Think so. That would lead me to believe Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #46
Makes me wondering if McConnel knew that Kavanaguh had a reputation of doing this to varies women. cstanleytech Sep 2018 #69
Here you go. wcast Sep 2018 #76
Yes, I was just thinking of that. I wonder if he knew of Dr. Ford's accusation while Kavanaugh smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #81
Keep fighting these goddamned assholes! manor321 Sep 2018 #5
And yet" the best people" irisblue Sep 2018 #6
Plan B: dump the perv and pick another off the list meadowlark5 Sep 2018 #7
They could do it before Monday. fierywoman Sep 2018 #31
LMAO...continue to polish this turd Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #37
Dump this jag and kacekwl Sep 2018 #43
that would be karma Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #55
Trump probably sees the ABA as like public libraries torius Sep 2018 #8
or maybe FM123 Sep 2018 #14
... orangecrush Sep 2018 #45
Duzy Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #47
A future justice screaming like an Alex Jones wing nut is "great" RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #9
That wasn't the normal him...it was him after 8 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #49
I'm not sure which is more disturbing. n/t musicblind Sep 2018 #87
True dat. It does imply guilt tho. If you have to practice. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #88
I still think that another nominee is being vetted as backup Gothmog Sep 2018 #10
+1000 alwaysinasnit Sep 2018 #12
Yes, hard to believe. Hortensis Sep 2018 #20
procedures during debate? Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #57
Interesting post. I hadn't heard about the Hortensis Sep 2018 #72
Ahhh, I wondered about the impact of that reversal peggysue2 Sep 2018 #15
Trump thinks he can bully his way thru anything CatWoman Sep 2018 #16
link? Lisa0825 Sep 2018 #18
Added to op. Pluvious Sep 2018 #30
Muchas gracias :-) Lisa0825 Sep 2018 #33
Looks like Don McGahn fucked up... Raster Sep 2018 #21
How? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #38
McGhan previously worked with Kavanaugh during the Bush* administration... Raster Sep 2018 #74
McGahn fucked up when he agreed to work for Trump. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Sep 2018 #48
Maybe the ABA could give 2 shits about the allegations GusBob Sep 2018 #22
Yes...plus buzz is that current SC judges don't want him.nt Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #51
Didn't they even have others in the running before they picked Kavanaugh? treestar Sep 2018 #23
I assume it was the "presidents are even immune from investigation" shanny Sep 2018 #59
Ding Ding ding!!! Marie Marie Sep 2018 #65
They never have a plan or plan B... HipChick Sep 2018 #24
Plan Beer Blue Owl Sep 2018 #25
Loll! Anon-C Sep 2018 #26
I Want To Believe. Source? Link? Hekate Sep 2018 #28
Rep, sorry forgot link. It's in op now. nt. Pluvious Sep 2018 #29
Thanks! KnR Hekate Sep 2018 #34
I've grown to distrust these 'person close to the White House' pecosbob Sep 2018 #35
Plan A: Ram the asshole through. Plan B: Ram the asshole through. Liberal In Texas Sep 2018 #36
But why? Why him? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #40
To protect Trump catchnrelease Sep 2018 #53
Yes...but why are the committee republicans Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #54
appeals to base Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #60
Another reason the Republicans support Kavanaugh: maryallen Sep 2018 #66
Very interesting...explains bush making Kav calls. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #68
Well its possible Bush is doing it because Kavanaugh has dirt on Bush that might lead to cstanleytech Sep 2018 #70
Just saw this posting on twitter catchnrelease Sep 2018 #86
he'd still have to convince the other four and even they treestar Sep 2018 #73
With Putin's help he probably can. nt tblue37 Sep 2018 #75
"enormous anger" - there is the problem bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #39
I don't understand the discomfort Renew Deal Sep 2018 #42
Shocked! (No, really) czarjak Sep 2018 #50
Has Trump labeled the Wall Street Journal SCantiGOP Sep 2018 #52
Doesn't the Senate have to go on recess soon so members can do some campaigning? tclambert Sep 2018 #58
The Repugnants know they cannot win a fair election so they are cstanleytech Sep 2018 #71
"No Plan B . . . " Roadside Attraction Sep 2018 #61
Plan "B": Nominate Bill Cosby ThoughtCriminal Sep 2018 #62
They must have mistaken Plan B for birth control Generic Brad Sep 2018 #67
+1. It is a concern for the Grand Old Perverts dalton99a Sep 2018 #80
Thought they were so clever by releasing a few documents at the last minute. peekaloo Sep 2018 #77
I would think that the Federalist Society has a string of them lined up. Crunchy Frog Sep 2018 #82
Don't buy this 'no Plan B' nonsense peggysue2 Sep 2018 #83
yup ++ JHan Sep 2018 #85

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
27. It's obvious that they NEVER vetted this man.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:12 PM
Sep 2018

This is what happens when you have someone in the WH that does NOT give a fuck for how government is run. There are very solid reasons for the processes that have stood the test of time.

This is one of those times.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
64. I think they did. That's why they didn't give most of the docs to the Democrats.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:23 PM
Sep 2018

They vetted him for THEIR purposes: will he overturn Roe v Wade, will he not allow an indictment against Trump, will he side w/W.H. against Mueller investigation, will he let Trump fire Sessions & Rosenstein & maybe Mueller, will he rule the ACA is unconstitutional....

I read that the Rubs actually had some sex scandal info the week before, but didn't reveal it to the Dems. I wonder if that's true, and what they knew.

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
78. I agree!
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 09:45 AM
Sep 2018

If this guy goes down I want to see a montage of all those smiling R Senators kissing Judge Boof's backside during the opening session.

I will also have a very hearty laugh if their hand picked prosecutor turns out to have inadvertently sabotaged (calendar date) their attempts at "fairness".

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. I don't believe a gawd damn thing from the WH and the
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:42 PM
Sep 2018

Republican Congress majority.

fake motherfucking news.

janx

(24,128 posts)
11. Murkowski is tenacious; she represents her state.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:47 PM
Sep 2018

So she does not always go with the national party line. I admire her for that.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
17. Add to that
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 09:00 PM
Sep 2018

it was ALASKA who gave her the Senate seat, not the GOP.

She won reelection via write in.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. I hear you all...but just can't understand how
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:47 PM
Sep 2018

Someone can be so wishy washy...and that they have to have an internal and external debate to make a decision. Guess I am more black and white. Maybe it's s good thing for someone to truly represent what their constituents want ? I definitely couldn't do it

emulatorloo

(44,186 posts)
79. The party shat on her. You must have forgotten she won on a write-in campaign
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 11:32 AM
Sep 2018

She owes McConnell nothing.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
4. Didn't McConnel beg Trump to pick anyone on the list but Kavanaguh?
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:43 PM
Sep 2018

And they didn't think that maybe they should have a plan B. lol

wcast

(595 posts)
76. Here you go.
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 09:11 AM
Sep 2018

I just sent this to a supposed Centrist I work with who blames the Democrats. I told him McConnell warned Trump and it was the Republicans job to vet their people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/us/politics/trump-mcconnell-supreme-court.html

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
81. Yes, I was just thinking of that. I wonder if he knew of Dr. Ford's accusation while Kavanaugh
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 11:39 AM
Sep 2018

was still on the short list. I think he knew that he would be trouble.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
5. Keep fighting these goddamned assholes!
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:44 PM
Sep 2018

And huge thank you's to the extremely brave women who have come forward!

Can you even begin to imagine having some asshole rapey guy from your past get nominated to the Supreme Court?!

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
7. Plan B: dump the perv and pick another off the list
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:44 PM
Sep 2018

I don't know why they insist on polishing this turd. Cut your losses and try another. They could do it before the midterms.

kacekwl

(7,021 posts)
43. Dump this jag and
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:45 PM
Sep 2018

the pukes could nominate Merrick Garland. An actual qualified judge and this nonsense would be finished.

torius

(1,652 posts)
8. Trump probably sees the ABA as like public libraries
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:44 PM
Sep 2018

Liberal wastes of time he'd like to shut down. Problem is, both Kavvie and Graham-kraken boasted about having the ABA's blessing. I think that letter did make a difference and that and the Catholic magazine delivered a huge narcissistic injury to Kava-manbaby!

FM123

(10,054 posts)
14. or maybe
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:52 PM
Sep 2018

that idiot Trumpy is very confused as to why a retro pop band from Sweden would be writing such a letter....

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Yes, hard to believe.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 09:16 PM
Sep 2018

I'm struck by this gang around Kavanaugh, though, cluelessly pandering to their own delusions over how well Kavanaugh did, after the rest of the nation was already shellshocked from watching his shocking performance.

Have none of them heard the term "judicial temperament"?

These are also people who never thought to come up with believable answers about what the obscenities printed in his yearbook meant. And they honestly think he's outstandingly qualified, apparently too low themselves to be able to recognize people of honor an probity. These are the people who discussed shifting suspicion for attempted rape onto an innocent person, and probably more than just one of them decided to actually do it, publishing name and photo, then forced to (of course!) retract almost immediately.

Of course, these particular people wouldn't be choosing the next nominee, but who do they remind us of? More of the same wherever hard-core conservatives are found in public affairs?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,430 posts)
57. procedures during debate?
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:07 PM
Sep 2018

As I understand it, there will be 30 hours of debate in the Senate before a confirmation vote is taken. Will that be the time for Democratic Senators to speak about all these loose ends? Or are there obscure rules by which McConnell can shut down such discussions?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
72. Interesting post. I hadn't heard about the
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 04:52 AM
Sep 2018

30 hours of debate, but did it get dropped under the wrong post perchance?

I'm cautious about this because the Repubs could have changed a rule, but debate in the "gentlemen's" senate has always been loosely controlled compared to tight rules in the house. It's always taken more than a simple majority, likely 60 votes, to shut down senate debate, so we've been using that as the minority party to continue discussion.

Btw, you may remember that Grassley yesterday, after they'd taken the vote on Kavanaugh and were still discussing how an investigation might proceed, all of a sudden banged his gavel in the middle of people talking all over the place and declared adjourned based on a 2-hour rule. Lawrence O'Donnell explained it's an arcane rule that's never used, but Grassley must have been watching the second hand tick off to the point where he could use it to halt this unprecedented situation. That's why Sen. Feinstein was asking in confusion what had been decided, my guess the first time in decades she didn't know.

Wow. More than just high drama, real history. Michael Beschloss and others said they gravely feared that morning that the senate was on the point of failing and becoming a weak arm of the Trump White House, but Flake's and Coons's bipartisan group functioned as the senate was designed to and pulled it back from "the abyss." Graham had been bitter and angry and while recognized to speak actually threatened his Democratic colleagues with how he was going to treat them when he became chairman of the committee, something O'Donnell said has never happened before. Graham has been demonstrating, like Kavanaugh, the astonishing breadth and depth of unfitness for his position. Sen. Coons had to control tears of relief afterward as he spoke of his concerns for the health of this institution.

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
15. Ahhh, I wondered about the impact of that reversal
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:58 PM
Sep 2018

I read of the American Bar Association's reversal last night before going to bed. They reversed as did the Jesuit Review. But with the Bar Association? Most of these pols are lawyers and all that yada, yada about the ABA being the Gold Standard yesterday. I was surprised when I didn't hear more on the ABA withdrawing support this morning.

Now it makes more sense. It did effect a seismic change and had people scrambling--in a good way.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
16. Trump thinks he can bully his way thru anything
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:58 PM
Sep 2018

and that putrid attitude has spilled into the Senate AND the Supreme Court.

Fuck em.

Signed, America.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
74. McGhan previously worked with Kavanaugh during the Bush* administration...
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 08:52 AM
Sep 2018

...and had been highly influential in moving Kavanaugh up the Federalist judge list. McGhan also was stage managing Kavanaugh's nomination, acting as point person, even helping to prep Kavanaugh. Safe to say, Kavanaugh is McGhan's guy. I would not be surprised to learn that it was McGhan that put the "get out of jail free" aspect of Kavanaugh as a potential SCOTUS in front of tRump*.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
22. Maybe the ABA could give 2 shits about the allegations
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 09:34 PM
Sep 2018

But clearly Kav demonstrated bias, prejudice, and an uneven temperament unbecoming of a judge

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. Didn't they even have others in the running before they picked Kavanaugh?
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 09:35 PM
Sep 2018

Donald of Orange and his minions are so incompetent!

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
59. I assume it was the "presidents are even immune from investigation"
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:08 PM
Sep 2018

stance that tipped the balance. All the others on the list would be just as bad on Roe, labor, SS, etc.--but afaik none of them went so far on presidential immunity.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
65. Ding Ding ding!!!
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:33 PM
Sep 2018

Exactly! We are no doubt going to get a right wing conservative but it was his stand on Presidential Immunity that made me want to see him go down! Then I watched him and my reasons to oppose him quadrupled.

pecosbob

(7,543 posts)
35. I've grown to distrust these 'person close to the White House'
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:37 PM
Sep 2018

stories describing the WH in disarray. Would that it were so.

Liberal In Texas

(13,576 posts)
36. Plan A: Ram the asshole through. Plan B: Ram the asshole through.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:38 PM
Sep 2018

Plan C: Ram the asshole through.

And spend as much dark money as it takes.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
53. To protect Trump
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:58 PM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh is supposed to believe that a sitting president is immune from criminal process. In other words he could potentially protect Trump from being prosecuted by Mueller. Trump is basically trying to select the judge that could possibly hear his case in the future. From what bits I've read, this is based on K's writings in the past.

So, a different nominee might be horribly conservative, but not willing to say that a president has immunity. That's a theory as to why they are not giving up on K and just going with another person on the list.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,430 posts)
60. appeals to base
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:13 PM
Sep 2018

GOP has to please everyone in their coalition of extremists or they can't win against the liberal majority. Kavanaugh is their bait and promise for the evangelicals, supremacists, and possibly the toxic billionaire's club.

The Fox Cult of Disinformation will sell him to the rest.

maryallen

(2,172 posts)
66. Another reason the Republicans support Kavanaugh:
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:38 PM
Sep 2018

The Bush/Cheney gang are interested in concealing some of their questionable decisions, such as initial plans to go into Afghanistan, Iraq; approval of torture,etc. Kavanaugh was one of their in-house lawyers. He worked in the Whitehouse where his wife was W's secretary.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
70. Well its possible Bush is doing it because Kavanaugh has dirt on Bush that might lead to
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:52 PM
Sep 2018

Bush going to prison if it should be revealed.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
86. Just saw this posting on twitter
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 05:53 PM
Sep 2018

Maybe this has something to do with it also?


Jessie Zimmerman
? @kerismom
Sep 28
Replying to @MattBors

One of the first cases the Supreme Court has in October has to do with preventing Mueller from handing off NRA campaign Russian $ cases to state courts. Those who accepted NRA $ are the ones pushing so hard for this nomination.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
73. he'd still have to convince the other four and even they
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 06:39 AM
Sep 2018

might not go that far. But then Donald of Orange never thinks things through and probably thinks he can threaten the justices.

bucolic_frolic

(43,295 posts)
39. "enormous anger" - there is the problem
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:42 PM
Sep 2018

They're not focused on the strength of the candidate, or rule of law, or jurisprudence and the U.S. Constitution. They're focused on being dominant in all things political, on being so brilliant that they never make mistakes, on their ideology.

Extraordinary move by the ABA. The ability to use one's brain and adapt to changing conditions. Unlike the Trump White House.

Renew Deal

(81,873 posts)
42. I don't understand the discomfort
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:43 PM
Sep 2018

The seat is filled. There is no rush. They should welcome an investigation. It might clear their guy.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
52. Has Trump labeled the Wall Street Journal
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 10:57 PM
Sep 2018

as “fake news” yet?
Even FOX was straying from Trump in reporting Dr Ford’s testimony.
No wonder Trump doesn’t trust the news - they report what happens and that ain’t good for him.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
71. The Repugnants know they cannot win a fair election so they are
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:54 PM
Sep 2018

trying to keep it in session because they think it will hurt the Democrats by forcing them to attend and give up campaign time.

 
61. "No Plan B . . . "
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:18 PM
Sep 2018

No Plan B? How can that be?

Trump hires only the best and the best would have several fallback positions prepared, briefed, and ready to roll.

Trump is a successful businessman, probably the most successful in the entire history of business. I can't believe he didn't have an alternative plan.

On top of that, Trump has a "very, very large brain."

How can it be he and his White House are that incompetent?

I'm shocked!! Shocked, I tell you.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
67. They must have mistaken Plan B for birth control
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:38 PM
Sep 2018

When you don’t believe in birth control the unexpected can happen.

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
77. Thought they were so clever by releasing a few documents at the last minute.
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 09:31 AM
Sep 2018

Making it nearly impossible for the Democrats to mount a credible opposition then BOOM!

May this be a very productive week for the FBI investigators.

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
83. Don't buy this 'no Plan B' nonsense
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 03:02 PM
Sep 2018

The WH has/had a long list of Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation candidates. Kavanaugh was added late to the list and never properly vetted because . . .

Well, that's the gazillion $ question, isn't it?

Kavanaugh brought something the other candidates did not bring. Perhaps total allegiance to the WH or his expansive WH powers philosophy or his compromised background, etc., etc., etc.

Something has been going on behind the scenes that we cannot see, something that explains why this particular candidate needed to be jammed through come Hell or high water. Any other of the candidates would change the composition of SCOTUS. But Kavanaugh? With all this baggage? Doesn't make sense even on the surface.

Something is very rotten in Denmark.

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